Arizer Solo

PlanetHaze

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Hi Everyone,
Some info on the newest Solos to answer some previously posted recent questions.

Some minor adjustments / improvements were made to the Solo recently:
  • Improvements were made to the air flow to optimize convection heating and minimize conduction heating
  • New Solo units can be used while charging with the standard charger - no more PA needed
  • No changes were made to the charger -- old chargers are the same as new chargers
Yes, the new Solos heat up very fast... this is normal. The pass-through mode (running while plugged in to the charger) is a definite plus for new Solo owners and is designed to be used like that without damaging batteries.

Peace and Love,
PV
 

louloug20

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I come back after you have loaded up several times.
Same!

The nex video (boring inside)

What can i do? I use the adapter U.S. -> EU supplied by the seller ebay


The M1C13... is the new arizer?
 
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craZivn

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Hi Everyone,
Some info on the newest Solos to answer some previously posted recent questions.

Some minor adjustments / improvements were made to the Solo recently:
  • Improvements were made to the air flow to optimize convection heating and minimize conduction heating
  • New Solo units can be used while charging with the standard charger - no more PA needed
  • No changes were made to the charger -- old chargers are the same as new chargers
Yes, the new Solos heat up very fast... this is normal. The pass-through mode (running while plugged in to the charger) is a definite plus for new Solo owners and is designed to be used like that without damaging batteries.

Peace and Love,
PV

Do you know which run (M1C1, M1D, etc.) was the first to incorporate the improvements? Thanks!
 
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michaelstone

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Hi Everyone,
Some info on the newest Solos to answer some previously posted recent questions.

Some minor adjustments / improvements were made to the Solo recently:
  • Improvements were made to the air flow to optimize convection heating and minimize conduction heating
  • New Solo units can be used while charging with the standard charger - no more PA needed
  • No changes were made to the charger -- old chargers are the same as new chargers
Yes, the new Solos heat up very fast... this is normal. The pass-through mode (running while plugged in to the charger) is a definite plus for new Solo owners and is designed to be used like that without damaging batteries.

Peace and Love,
PV


Thanks for clearing that up :)
 
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ataxian

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Hi Everyone,
Some info on the newest Solos to answer some previously posted recent questions.

Some minor adjustments / improvements were made to the Solo recently:
  • Improvements were made to the air flow to optimize convection heating and minimize conduction heating
  • New Solo units can be used while charging with the standard charger - no more PA needed
  • No changes were made to the charger -- old chargers are the same as new chargers
Yes, the new Solos heat up very fast... this is normal. The pass-through mode (running while plugged in to the charger) is a definite plus for new Solo owners and is designed to be used like that without damaging batteries.

Peace and Love,
PV
I guess I will get a 3rd unit!
Does it come in RED?
 

OF

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  • Improvements were made to the air flow to optimize convection heating and minimize conduction heating
The pass-through mode (running while plugged in to the charger) is a definite plus for new Solo owners and is designed to be used like that without damaging batteries.

Reflecting some on this I've got two thoughts. The first change is interesting indeed. How will it impact load temperature and the 'character' of hitting it? And how will it impact battery life since generally conduction vapes are much more frugal with battery power than similar convection ones. Be interesting to see. This might be offset somewhat since the new version will more often be starting from fully charged each time you unplug to go out, but will the new versions deliver 8 or more reliable sessions down the road?

On the second matter, first a quibble, it's not a pass through. It needs a battery to work (unlike the old model, and unlike true pass through systems). It's just a battery system with a built in charger. In fact, this is much easier (and probably cheaper) to do than the prior system......which begs the question why that was done if it wasn't an advantage at least at some level? But my battery life thought runs more like this system means you're storing the battery at 100% charge full time? This is known to be tougher on battery life than storage at lower levels of charge. Dramatically so from some perspectives. Will two year old Solos (living plugged in 'full time') still show normal battery life even in those that seldom ever are taken 'off grid'? Our experience with laptops and cell phones using similar charging schemes seems to say no? I think we all know of such gadgets that now 'only work when plugged in'?

The elevated temperatures reported when powered over the prior system (due to the battery being charged and discharged over and over again) again speaks to putting the battery in an environment known to be bad for it's lifespan. Some good stuff on the topic here (amongst the other stuff):
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

I get why marketing pressures favor this, but think it might not be as great a deal as some assume? At least not for all users?

Food for thought. Thanks for the information.

OF
 

Dreamerr

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Thanks PV for the info but it still leaves us with a lot of unanswered questions as some have already stated. Will this effect future batt life, amount of sessions off batt, and others already brought up and I am sure some not thought of.

OF or centi, how about the other vaps that let you plug and charge ie, INH, PNP, VB2 I believe and a few others?
 

OF

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OF or centi, how about the other vaps that let you plug and charge ie, INH, PNP, VB2 I believe and a few others?

I treat them the same way, charge them up (but not to 100% if I can catch it in time) after the battery is discharged enough to merit it. I don't leave them plugged in when not either (intentionally) charging or being used.

If that was the question?

OF
 

CentiZen

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OF or centi, how about the other vaps that let you plug and charge ie, INH, PNP, VB2 I believe and a few others?
I can't speak to the VB line of products, but the Inhalater is a different scenario since it draws significantly less power to heat the element than the Solo does. My 004 drew 1.2A at 4 volts when the heater was connected, which is about .4C. I think this is because the polyimide has such a high thermal transfer rate when compared to the metal or ceramic in the Solo.

A C is a measurement of output or input power relative to the capacity of the battery in use. Most batteries are marketed by their total capacity (Amp-Hours), but a C refers to how much power it is putting out (or taking in) at any given time. So to use the Solo's pack as an example, which is 2200mAh @ ~7.4v; 1C of power in this case would mean that one C is 2200milliamperes of current. The one in the INH is a 2800 cell, so 1C for that battery would be 2800mA, or 2.8 amps. Charge currents are also measured in C's, and it's generally recommended to charge a battery at or below .5C, or half of it's total capacity. These stack too, so if you are charging a battery at .5C while discharging it at 1C, that battery is under 1.5C's worth of stress.

ICR batteries (the kind used in both these and most other portable vapes) don't like being used past around 1C. With the Inhalater, this never happened because heating the element used around 0.4C, leaving enough room for a respectable charge current to be applied at the same time. And it would never charge the battery enough that you could run it for long periods of time, your battery would slowly loose capacity if you just constantly ran it on. So the battery was never ran past the 1C level. But I'm worried that if the Solo uses 2.2A of current in operation, and it's being charged at .3C, that's at least 1.3C of stress on that battery and that is not good.
 

Thevaped1

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Hey guys not to derail the current conversation to much but I just bought the jameco power adapter for the solo and noticed that it didnt come with a power cord to plug into a wall outlet. For those that bought the jameco adapter, where is the cheapest place to buy the power cord to connect the power adapter to a wall outlet. I tried walmart but they don't carry power cords that would fit the power adapter.
 
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CentiZen

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What does it look like? Is it shaped like a block or does it look like mickey mouse (aka cloverleaf)?
 
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Dreamerr

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On the new models, if you use the PA or AIO ect will that bring you back to the way the solo is now and you can leave it plugged in without much of an issue?
 
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Thevaped1

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What does it look like? Is it shaped like a block or does it look like mickey mouse (aka cloverleaf)?
looks like this
AF6WqxA.jpg

I need to find a power cord that will fit in there so I can connect it to a wall outlet.
Let me know if you know a place.
 
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MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
I can't speak to the VB line of products, but the Inhalater is a different scenario since it draws significantly less power to heat the element than the Solo does. My 004 drew 1.2A at 4 volts when the heater was connected, which is about .4C. I think this is because the polyimide has such a high thermal transfer rate when compared to the metal or ceramic in the Solo.

A C is a measurement of output or input power relative to the capacity of the battery in use. Most batteries are marketed by their total capacity (Amp-Hours), but a C refers to how much power it is putting out (or taking in) at any given time. So to use the Solo's pack as an example, which is 2200mAh @ ~7.4v; 1C of power in this case would mean that one C is 2200milliamperes of current. The one in the INH is a 2800 cell, so 1C for that battery would be 2800mA, or 2.8 amps. Charge currents are also measured in C's, and it's generally recommended to charge a battery at or below .5C, or half of it's total capacity. These stack too, so if you are charging a battery at .5C while discharging it at 1C, that battery is under 1.5C's worth of stress.

ICR batteries (the kind used in both these and most other portable vapes) don't like being used past around 1C. With the Inhalater, this never happened because heating the element used around 0.4C, leaving enough room for a respectable charge current to be applied at the same time. And it would never charge the battery enough that you could run it for long periods of time, your battery would slowly loose capacity if you just constantly ran it on. So the battery was never ran past the 1C level. But I'm worried that if the Solo uses 2.2A of current in operation, and it's being charged at .3C, that's at least 1.3C of stress on that battery and that is not good.
Well then perhaps arizer has made alterations which allow the heating element to draw less power...
 

Pipes

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looks like this
AF6WqxA.jpg

I need to find a power cord that will fit in there so I can connect it to a wall outlet.
Let me know if you know a place.
That is a very common cord type. The same as desktop PCs as well as many different devices requiring a 3 prog cord. Check out that old stuff in storage that never gets thrown out. Good chance you'll find one.
 

CentiZen

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Well then perhaps arizer has made alterations which allow the heating element to draw less power...

Well, if someone with one of the new Solo's has a multimeter handy we could know for sure, but I don't think that's the case. If anything they've increased it for the extra convection heating present in these new models. Have we identified which metal is used in the crucible yet?
 
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MileHighLife

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Well, if someone with one of the new Solo's has a multimeter handy we could know for sure, but I don't think that's the case. If anything they've increased it for the extra convection heating present in these new models. Have we identified which metal is used in the crucible yet?
I have a fluke multimeter. I'm off tomorrow I'll take it apart and check it out.
 
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Pipes

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I've been thinking about the changes and thought I'd add my 2 cents.

IMO, Arizer has made the changes based on product history and to increase future sales. (marketing)
I'll bet they have had these updates on their mind for a long time (maybe from the start?) but wanted to establish a very reliable and proven product. Knowing that the technique computers and cell phones use is also hard on batteries they have evaluated the history of warranty battery replacements to find likely very rare percentage wise. So although ramping up on constant charging use will be harder on them the likelihood of having to replace under warranty also increases. The question is by how much and will the user actually go the warranty route.
Let's face it, just like replacing a laptop battery the hoops to make the claim as well as the time involved would make most just buy a replacement.
As OF has stated the charger power capabilities to provide the needed amperage is just not there, so power assist would be more accurate. My guess is the only internal change is the programming as the circuitry is and has already been there for switching between external, internal power as well as charge or heat mode. The control is all software. This means it could have been done any time.
As for the new heating element, again, looking at failure history would dictate if they could push it a little more. Either by giving more voltage or a change of element. Either way it will be working is harder.
These are very interesting changes and at first glance seem great. Time will tell.
That been said, in a month or two, I may be getting another unit myself....:dog:
 
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