ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
A lot companies market these under various names.
I use one myself and SHATTER works great in these types of devices.
The smoke shops sell a $12 version of it. (made bad however)
Vaporbrothers Dabbler & Eleven Pen
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I use one myself and SHATTER works great in these types of devices.
The smoke shops sell a $12 version of it. (made bad however)
OF
Well-Known Member
If you get that fancy filigree version it's darn near impossible to keep it from happening. Taping the sucker down is your best option if you can't stay focused in the session......
OF
I think Vitolo had the 'jaundiced' eye initially, but gave it very positive reviews and continues to use it to this day. It was his review that pushed me off the fence and made me a very happy dabbler customer. On that note, I got a fresh heater and some replacement glass for my tube from VaporWarehouse since I broke mine. Thanks, VW!!
Vitolo
Vaporist
I did look at the Dabbler with great skepticism at first.. but I had to be fair and give it a go.
I still use other devices...
BUT---> when it comes to a consistent thick rip each and every time... without worrying about clogs and the other "steps to the dance" that do occur with most other Wax pens.. the Dabbler moved it's way up the lineup in my home.
I still use other devices...
BUT---> when it comes to a consistent thick rip each and every time... without worrying about clogs and the other "steps to the dance" that do occur with most other Wax pens.. the Dabbler moved it's way up the lineup in my home.
Add me to the list of skeptics who were converted after a little exposure. In my case I was not impressed by my first couple of attempts, but the problem turned out to be me. Once I figured out how to use it properly, I became a fan. I don't use a lot of concentrates but when I do—Los Dabbler. Stay medicated, my friends.
Things like this further bolster my love for the dabbler... testimonials from paka are always good!
I've heard a few times now that some people are rightfully noticing that lower cost pens heat up faster & hotter than Dabblers, which is true. This is a bit unfortunate for us if it's a store employee- they're using this comparison to sell the cheaper pens. If you've seen another pen, almost for sure you've seen it heat to bright red hot almost immediately after you push the button. Looks glorious, right? I'd like to share the reason why there's a big BUT in this story:
• Rapid heat up to bright red hot is THE recipe for overheated wax, imo. We've seen people postulate why vapor pens go burnt in taste and this is one of the biggest reasons! (disintegrating coils and wicks is another) The tiny battery in most vapor pens (similar to AA size) is being run into the ground to produce power like this. It also partly explains why the heaters & batteries wear out quickly- they are chronically overdriven.
• Dabbler is temperature controlled, meaning it comes up to temperature and stays there. IMO, the hits taste much better when the heater is running a dull red color. Battery and heater life are worlds better this way. (apart from the few random ones- sorry for that- warranty will catch you on the battery)
• Plus the Dabbler has a more substantial wire, which takes longer to heat up than the hair thin stuff. It's an indication of a more rugged device.
Keep this in mind when you compare pens. Some things cost a bit more to be many times better! This might open up some debate...
• Rapid heat up to bright red hot is THE recipe for overheated wax, imo. We've seen people postulate why vapor pens go burnt in taste and this is one of the biggest reasons! (disintegrating coils and wicks is another) The tiny battery in most vapor pens (similar to AA size) is being run into the ground to produce power like this. It also partly explains why the heaters & batteries wear out quickly- they are chronically overdriven.
• Dabbler is temperature controlled, meaning it comes up to temperature and stays there. IMO, the hits taste much better when the heater is running a dull red color. Battery and heater life are worlds better this way. (apart from the few random ones- sorry for that- warranty will catch you on the battery)
• Plus the Dabbler has a more substantial wire, which takes longer to heat up than the hair thin stuff. It's an indication of a more rugged device.
Keep this in mind when you compare pens. Some things cost a bit more to be many times better! This might open up some debate...
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
Well put, thank you.
After trying my buddies (more than a few times now), I have to get myself a couple of these, others oil pens vapes just dont compare IMHO (tried almost all oil pens on the market).
Hope to join the club soon.
Your statements above confirmed I had a good idea as to why I like the dabbler vapor production/Taste so much overall.
HAPPY Early TURKEY DAY!!!
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Detonator
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When I first got my Vaped globe ( looks just like your globe - made in China ) the coils would last better. Now that these are very popular it seems the replacement coils are being made cheaper and not lasting as long.
Now it says Manufacturer under your name, so do you have a factory in China that manufactures your coils or are they just shipped to you from someone?
Can you prove your coils are differnt than others?
Pictures plz
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I am guilty of the $12.00 Globe dabber from the SMOKE SHOP.
Put it on a E-VIC (power source) however the GLASS GLOBE has already cracked.
The wire looks a bit thin as well.
It work well for about 1/2 gram shatter then died.
So I agree with you on being careful with the cheap knock offs!
What kind of wire type do you use in your DABBER?
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OF
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Inconel, or so he's said a couple of times. Interesting material, and IMO a good choice. Still used in a lot of turbine and other demanding applications involving heat.
OF
rekrab
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so after my first night with my new ceramic wick i have been pleasantly surprised.
First things first I tested the heater, made sure she warmed up and what not, smelt for anything funny. As before it was perfect, tidy and clean. Love the ceramic pole, looks a lot more crisp and less deadly looking than the fibre wick. Not that the fibre wick looks bad really, more just when it has been used a lot.
Now for performance, I did the usual and seasoned the coil a little with just a tad of concentrate. Next I loaded my normal amount, a little tiny pea sized dab, placed it on the coil, melted it on a bit and she was ready. So far the coils all act the same, albeit the ceramic one being a little easier to load due to the sturdier ceramic pole also the coil being a little lower. My first hit was a little lack luster, not a huge cloud, still good taste just not big performance. Compared to the fibre wick I noticed maybe the wire/coil didnt heat up as fast, so all I did was press down the button a few seconds longer and ba BOOOOOOM. clooooouds on cloudss. For me I just had to adjust my technique a little to get the same quality hit as the fibre wick. The fibre wick holds more concentrate, less moving stuff around that fell to the bottom, but I noticed I could still get the oil to go back on the coil without removing the top for the ceramic wick. just had to fiddle around.
After getting the new ceramic I am proly going to switch over and make it my daily driver. The taste, although not a huge difference, is definitely noticeable to me. SO DAMN clean tasting, tastes like it smells almost haha. As for efficiency, it may have decreased from the fibre wick, but I find tilting the pen and hitting it different ways allows the oil to flow back to coil. So far I really like the ceramic coil, just the overall cleanliness and look, really appeals to me personally. I tried it on my ego twist quick as well a 3.2 yet it heated up quite a bit quicker than on my dabbler battery so I figured just sticking with my dabbler battery for the ceramic wick.
Overall you can never go wrong with anything from vaporbros.
First things first I tested the heater, made sure she warmed up and what not, smelt for anything funny. As before it was perfect, tidy and clean. Love the ceramic pole, looks a lot more crisp and less deadly looking than the fibre wick. Not that the fibre wick looks bad really, more just when it has been used a lot.
Now for performance, I did the usual and seasoned the coil a little with just a tad of concentrate. Next I loaded my normal amount, a little tiny pea sized dab, placed it on the coil, melted it on a bit and she was ready. So far the coils all act the same, albeit the ceramic one being a little easier to load due to the sturdier ceramic pole also the coil being a little lower. My first hit was a little lack luster, not a huge cloud, still good taste just not big performance. Compared to the fibre wick I noticed maybe the wire/coil didnt heat up as fast, so all I did was press down the button a few seconds longer and ba BOOOOOOM. clooooouds on cloudss. For me I just had to adjust my technique a little to get the same quality hit as the fibre wick. The fibre wick holds more concentrate, less moving stuff around that fell to the bottom, but I noticed I could still get the oil to go back on the coil without removing the top for the ceramic wick. just had to fiddle around.
After getting the new ceramic I am proly going to switch over and make it my daily driver. The taste, although not a huge difference, is definitely noticeable to me. SO DAMN clean tasting, tastes like it smells almost haha. As for efficiency, it may have decreased from the fibre wick, but I find tilting the pen and hitting it different ways allows the oil to flow back to coil. So far I really like the ceramic coil, just the overall cleanliness and look, really appeals to me personally. I tried it on my ego twist quick as well a 3.2 yet it heated up quite a bit quicker than on my dabbler battery so I figured just sticking with my dabbler battery for the ceramic wick.
Overall you can never go wrong with anything from vaporbros.
OF
Well-Known Member
Great report, thanks. I'm sure I'm not alone in watching how guys find these.....might even try one sometime.
However, remember we've been warned about the 'easier to load because it's more solid' idea, it's a false sense of security. The lead wires and heater element itself are what fails, not the wick or core. That hasn't changed, these guys are potentially less secure if guys start taking advantage of this 'feature'? Be gentle, even more gentle that before since you no longer get that 'be careful' feedback?
Didn't know that, but makes sense. I don't even know any 'hot wire CNC guys'.....I guess I need to get out more. I know the nuke guys love it, it doesn't activate for the rest of time like some other alloys do. Tough stuff, too. Hard to work with IIRC?
Beats me if T2 (or T anything) is better. I don't see any problems with Inconel (or several others) used in this application (it's really pretty lame compared to other applications). Ti is fun stuff, but we really don't need the extreme temperature or light weight advantages it has to offer?
OF
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inconel makes me think of things like the pure sexiness shown here...
'Since the F40 is not an easy car to find replacement or aftermarket parts for, the Tubi system is made from high quality inconel alloy, which is extremely resistant to the effects of high temperatures, oxidation, and corrosion'
'Since the F40 is not an easy car to find replacement or aftermarket parts for, the Tubi system is made from high quality inconel alloy, which is extremely resistant to the effects of high temperatures, oxidation, and corrosion'
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mlo4sho
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@rekrab
Thanks for the post. I have found similar results ie. ceramic coil vs wicked coil. I found the wick definitely helps keep the load on the coil and helps heat everything evenly. I had trouble losing some of my dab to the bottom of the cup with the ceramic rod coil, but other than that they function very similarly. I didn't notice too much of a flavor difference (trying to be fair here. it's an old, dirty dabbler coil vs a brand new dabbler ceramic wick coil, of course the new one will taste better). I think it might help ease the minds of some of those with negative feelings about the wick without too much of a functionality loss. These are my basic, quick thoughts from limited usage with the new ceramic wickless coil. I need to stop dabbing so much so I can actually compare the two.
Thanks for the post. I have found similar results ie. ceramic coil vs wicked coil. I found the wick definitely helps keep the load on the coil and helps heat everything evenly. I had trouble losing some of my dab to the bottom of the cup with the ceramic rod coil, but other than that they function very similarly. I didn't notice too much of a flavor difference (trying to be fair here. it's an old, dirty dabbler coil vs a brand new dabbler ceramic wick coil, of course the new one will taste better). I think it might help ease the minds of some of those with negative feelings about the wick without too much of a functionality loss. These are my basic, quick thoughts from limited usage with the new ceramic wickless coil. I need to stop dabbing so much so I can actually compare the two.
aesthyrian
Blaaaaah
Wish that was true for me, my current heater has almost no wick left, yet the coil still heats up fine. Seemed like every time I would load it, more of the fiber would just break/fall off, and I am sure to be very gentle while loading. So sick of that damn wick, very exited about the ceramic!
OF
Well-Known Member
I, of course, have exactly the opposite experience. I bet every fiber is still there. Isn't that a hoot? Gotta wonder why (well at least I do...not that I'll stay up worrying about it.....much). Perhaps concentrate?
I've been feeding mine CO2 oil, stuff that levels in the jar, but stays in a dab on the wick. I never bake it really dry, maybe that's the reason?
For whatever reason, sounds like the ceramic core is for you. Who cares if you have to load it a bit more often, at least the sucker's gonna be there.
Choices in the marketplace, we're in tall cotton for sure.
Enjoy your Thanksgiving.
OF
Detonator
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so your vaped globe looks like this??
No, and I'm asking about this comment -
vaporbrothers said: ↑
• Plus the Dabbler has a more substantial wire, which takes longer to heat up than the hair thin stuff. It's an indication of a more rugged device.
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the wires you claim are bigger.. I know about batteries , constant voltage and that other stuff so just show me wires that are better.. so I know what to look for
Mine is a globe just like all the one that are made in china and sold here under many different names. and don't bullshit me if your just re branding the same stuff and re selling it just say that, no one here really gives a fuck, but if not and your really different I just wanted to see a pic of how the wire was substantially bigger,
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OF
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The wire used is thicker than most, and the material itself is different of course. To make these sorts of things work you need a specific resistance, which of course depends on the material. But you can also 'get there' differently with the same material. Short and skinny can have the same resistance as long and fat. That is make the cross sectional area of the wire twice as big (not all that much in diameter percentage wise) and you need it twice as long. Short and thin wires are easier to work with and cheaper to buy but will do the same job (at least for a while).....so quick, which do you think most makers use???
Using a heavier gauge, longer wire has several advantages in terms of strength of mount and ability to withstand surface damage of course, but I get why traditional guys go the cheaper route.....bottom line and all that. They sell replacements, perhaps like the razor blade story?
But something else happens that's not so obvious when you go to bigger diameter (and longer) wire. You get more surface area for the volume and gain in length which means you end up with lower surface temperature even though it's passing the same energy (power). I get that's counter-intuitive but temperature and heat aren't the same thing. One is degrees, the other calories (or BTUs for the Brits and Yanks). To make vapor at a given rate takes watts of energy, how it gets from the battery to the oil doesn't matter to the production rate. Lots of surface area to transfer that energy (heat) means each little bit of it doesn't have to work as hard, works at lower temperature, and lasts longer.
The man is also saying he sees this effect simply watching the (larger area) surface of the wire take longer to glow (and not glow as brightly).
So I think there's an argument that within reason heaters made of longer lengths of heavier wire are better for our use? For several reasons only a geek could care about.
OF
Vaporbrothers have been around since 1999. They designed and manufacture the whip style, wood box (that has been knocked off for years) in the U.S.A. So they are definitely a manufacturer (and a top notch one at that) and not just some fly by night company rebranding e-cigs.
The big difference between Vaped and the Dabbler, is that Vaped uses a fiber wick that will burn up when run dry. This will alter the taste big time and ruin the wick quick. The Dabbler has an inert glass fiber wick that will not burn up when run dry.
If you need proof that Vaporbrothers is a manufacturer go check out their latest piece of innovation here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vaporbrothers-vb2.11225/page-3#post-493674
Sorry we've been a bit silent this last week. Gearing up for the holidaze.
Detonator
Well-Known Member
I asked about the wire that is coiled around the wick, someone said yours was better so I wanted to see a picture of it next to a cheap one. Now your sayin- Vaped uses a fiber wick that will burn up when run dry and The Dabbler has an inert glass fiber wick that will not burn up when run dry. So can I see a picture of that side by side?
I wanted to buy some good coils and wanted to see te difference, I understand sometime people get terms like wick, wire, whatever confused so if ya got some pix that would be cool.
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