The Grasshopper

lwien said:

Considering how most all vapes go through some major growing pains when first introduced (just look at the Cloud, the Solo, the Ascent, etc.), I'm amazed at how many people are willing to plunk down their money for a vape that is totally unproven in the marketplace.

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i think this has to do with the relative cheapness of the vape, and the idea that it will be the first herb pen that works, if it does what they claim it does. I know I am way more likely to drop a $100 as a gamble, apposed to dropping alot more as a gamble. i guess you could call this a low risk-high reward vape. In that you could be spending only $100 to have a dank vape pen, hell i just dropped a hundo on a sticknstones fantasy football team cloud that i have no idea when it'll break, could be soon, but i don't care... it's only $100..

thesoloman said:

i think this has to do with the relative cheapness of the vape, and the idea that it will be the first herb pen that works, if it does what they claim it does. I know I am way more likely to drop a $100 as a gamble, apposed to dropping alot more as a gamble. i guess you could call this a low risk-high reward vape. In that you could be spending only $100 to have a dank vape pen, hell i just dropped a hundo on a sticknstones fantasy football team cloud that i have no idea when it'll break, could be soon, but i don't care... it's only $100..

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I did the same with the cloud, but thats a product that has proven itself. Its a 50/50 shot. It works, or it doesn't.

With this vape that again NO ONE but the guy selling them has tried, (maybe his imaginary friend if that counts) there are other options. It could work great. On the flip side it might not work at all. There is a third option that it "works" like the other herb pens "work". You can't do anything about it if you buy one of those atmos pens or something and it burns your bud. Too bad money lost and they keep selling it as a vape.

On that same subject, I had Snoop Dogg personally reply to me on reddit and insist that his G-pen was a vape and not an electric smoker. Its the same design as their old electric smoker, with snoop dogg art work on it. Man did that hurt to be lied to by SNOOP DOGG. Now if Snoop is willing to lie to his customers/fans directly, imagine what someone who doesn't have millions of dollars will do for some money...

@darkrom I don't feel that you are shitting on anyone. I was just wondering about the questions you had. Of course your skepticism is warranted. This is more of an "investment" opportunity than a direct product purchase, so there are concerns and risks involved, and they should be addressed.

Maybe Snoop doesn't care because he already has tons of cash, while this is a major chance for the GH team to get some cash and start a long term successful business, so they would care more to not lie?

Trevor and Matt have also built a UAV. My point is that inventors invent tons of different unrelated things, and entrepreneurs seek to fill niches. Maybe this is just a step towards them making a car run on water.

As for reviews, they have stated that they hope to get units out to a couple reviewers around the middle of the campaign. I really hope they come through with that. Maybe those would convince you, maybe those would make me a sad panda.

Lastly, on the manufacturing: I recall them saying that they had good relations with an Australian manufacturer, so take that as you will.

nopartofme said:

I had some gut feelings about this but wasn't certain of the details, so I did some searching. I found this page that lists the thermal conductivity of various common materials.

While stainless steel is much less thermally conductive than other metals like iron, copper, and brass, it's still many times more conductive than a lot of other materials commonly used for insulation.

They must have some sort of insulation in the design for it to stay relatively cool like they claim (and I have heard them use the word insulation when speaking about the heater's ability to hold heat without drawing a lot of power). They haven't ever mentioned exactly what is being used (I am incredibly curious).

Interestingly, while titanium is close to stainless steel in its thermal conductivity, it is slightly more thermally conductive. Whether it's enough to make for a noticeable difference in body heat or power usage, I have no idea.

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Don't forget that heat doesn't have to be insulated against, it can be dissipated as well if you want something to cool down enough to touch it comfortably. And to dissipate you use heat sinks/fins, which are typically made with the most conductive materials available like copper and aluminum. I'm not saying that this is what the grasshopper does, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has dissipating employed along with insulating strategies.

As a huge fan of this community, I'm happy to have contributed just to help the campaign reach it's goal so that we'll be able to know once and for all if the pen works and if these guys can really "do this".

I'd hate to have seen the campaign fail and have us left forever wondering if that Grasshopper thing was the real deal or not…

Like Fenton said, the skepticism is surely warranted. If it turns out to be a scam, or if the pen isn't worth it, I'll console myself with the notion that I made a donation to the knowledge of the community…

Fingers crossed.

nopartofme said:

As a huge fan of this community, I'm happy to have contributed just to help the campaign reach it's goal so that we'll be able to know once and for all if the pen works and if these guys can really "do this".

I'd hate to have seen the campaign fail and have us left forever wondering if the Grasshopper thing was the real deal or not…

Like Fenton said, the skepticism is surely warranted. If it turns out to be a scam, or if the pen isn't worth it, I'll console myself with the notion that I made a donation to the knowledge of the community…

Fingers crossed.

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If I've learned one thing in life it is trust nobody. So I've been wondering why I contributed so eagerly and @nopartofme nailed it. I still feel good about my contribution but I can definitely see the need for skepticism.

11am and they made the 90,000k mark its going down people.

The videos have left me skeptical as well, but it's not a huge loss if this turns out to be bogus.. We are afterall investing for a potential reward, not purchasing a product.

My problem with the video is there is never a forward facing shot of someone hitting the pen. For all we know, the pen could be totally bogus and the vapor is actually coming from an out of view tube that is being inhaled from...

Would be nice if the GH guys could ease some worries..

A serious, experienced, deep-pocketed, 'Angel Investor' would not look at this project twice - for many of the reasons expressed by we skeptics on this thread, and for many more reasons guided by tough business-savvy criteria that I feel could not be met. An angel investor, first and foremost, would look to see that those in the driver's seat steering their prospective investment can handle adversity with competence, grace, and an ability to respond to constructive criticism appreciatively, timely, and with a turn-it-around can-do attitude (no lame excuses). Moreover, a serious prospective investor will require much more than just a concept and renderings that look good on paper (or a few sketchy-at-best videos). Even a somewhat refined functioning prototype in development won't cut it without solid EVIDENCE that it actually works as preliminarily advertised or privately claimed. Further, do the people steering the investment really understand the full spectrum and depth of what comprises their intended consumer market (e.g., range of preferences, experience, and technology, etc.)? The list goes on and on, and it gets tougher as it goes.

ZP/GH is most fortunate that such a funding vehicle as Indiego exists, and fortunate also for the wealth of resource that FC provides. I feel much is being taken for granted in these regards. The fact that a response to my/our concerns were hard pressed, slow in coming, terse, and finally concluded with a harsh quip expressed in righteous indignation (an inappropriate comment re a desire for 'Likes'), has not earned my confidence. Explanations offered in defense of video GH vapor production and of claims to be on par with desktop vapes have been extremely lame and even dubious IMO, and have in total spoken volumes to me. I will let the prior 35 pages of this thread, and various media out there in the world, speak for itself.

February 2014 is a very ambitious goal to be met on such short order. Best of luck to the 'Early Birds' (most generous and forgiving 'Angel Investors')!

Snappo said:

The fact that a response to my/our concerns were hard pressed, slow in coming, terse, and finally concluded with a harsh quip expressed in righteous indignation (an inappropriate comment re a desire for 'Likes'), has not earned my confidence.

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GH is a startup company, the fact that they are even responding to posts on these forums shows that they care. They even took member's suggestions here into consideration, and now they have a green grasshopper stretch goal, a stainless case, and are looking into the possibility of deactivation of the LEDs.

Some, like myself, would argue that the post asking for a "like" would be what was inappropriate. I think the reply was a sassy comeback to someone who essentially complained that not enough people "liked" their post. Lmao if you want more likes write a better post.

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I do agree, however, that the videos are lacking. But I mean they don't "owe" us anything. I contributed my $ based on the evidence they gave that their product would work. Maybe it was a foolhardy move Maybe its not. If the evidence isn't good enough for you, just don't support them.

Also, id suggest if you have a specific question or comment for them, just send them an email. I'm sure they have better things to do than us hooligans and are more into working on their vape than surfing FC. Shit...i should get back to work.

James C said:

Some, like myself, would argue that the post asking for a "like" would be what was inappropriate. I think the reply was a sassy comeback to someone who essentially complained that not enough people "liked" their post. Lmao if you want more likes write a better post.

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Your offensive spin on the 'Like' matter proves you clearly don't understand the contents of that and associated posts, prior to and following.

James C said:

I'm sure they have better things to do than us hooligans and are more into working on their vape than surfing FC.

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If that's the case, than why did they start this thread in the first place?

My take on it is this. If you're given the opportunity to expose AND promote your product here at FC, than you also better be prepared to invest the time necessary to engage it's members. The way I see it, they go hand in hand.

Also, when you say that, ".....I do agree, however, that the videos are lacking. But I mean they don't "owe" us anything.", I disagree. When they are asking for seed money, they DO owe us something.

They gave us 2 satisfactory videos already. They must be xtra busy with their aerospace startup company. I have entrusted my loot to a couple of lousy aerospace engineers! Shit i donated my loot to a couple of regular engineers back in feb for some other new vape that came out (CERA) and they knocked it out of the park dam you engineers!!!!

ShayWhiteGrow said:

They gave us 2 satisfactory videos already. They must be xtra busy with their aerospace startup company. I have entrusted my loot to a couple of lousy aerospace engineers! Shit i donated my loot to a couple of regular engineers back in feb for some other new vape that came out (CERA) and they knocked it out of the park dam you engineers!!!!

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LOL. Many moons ago, I sold stereo's in Canoga Park in SoCal. The JPL labs were just a few miles away but whenever their engineers came in for a look-see, we all hid in the stockroom.

If I just happen to refresh when it hits $99,901 I'm so going to impulse buy this

lwien said:

Also, when you say that, ".....I do agree, however, that the videos are lacking. But I mean they don't "owe" us anything.", I disagree. When they are asking for seed money, they DO owe us something.

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Haha dude no they don't. If you didn't support their campaign, they owe you absolutely nothing. And if you did contribute for a grasshopper, they owe you that. 1 grasshopper. Not a custom video, not a vape pen that does magic... You contribute based on what they have offered you for your contribution, and if what they are offering is not enough, you can simply chose to not contribute. You're contributing to a goal, not technically "buying" a product.

Snappo said:

Your offensive spin on the 'Like' matter proves you clearly don't understand the contents of that and associated posts, prior to and following.

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Or, I am simply offering a different opinion than you and you are upset that not everyone agrees with what you have to say. You seem to be easily offended tho, I meant nothing personal Just a bit of sass, I'm sorry if it was taken another way.

James C said:

Or, I am simply offering a different opinion than you and you are upset that not everyone agrees with what you have to say. You seem to be easily offended tho, I meant nothing personal Just a bit of sass, I'm sorry if it was taken another way.

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Your misguided opinion is based on your lack of clear understanding of the facts. And again you are mistaken - I am not upset or offended at all. You haven't that much effect ("just a bit of sass").

Grasshopper wait and nonsense thread where are you!?!

Snappo said:

Your misguided opinion is based on your lack of clear understanding of the facts. And again you are mistaken - I am not upset or offended at all. You haven't that much effect ("just a bit of sass").

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James C said:

Or, I am simply offering a different opinion than you and you are upset that not everyone agrees with what you have to say. You seem to be easily offended tho, I meant nothing personal Just a bit of sass, I'm sorry if it was taken another way.

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All members must be treated with respect, so let's stop this nonsense now before warning points start flying. Thank you.

@Stu Sorry! You're right!

Snappo said:

Your misguided opinion is based on your lack of clear understanding of the facts.

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Snappo, could you please explain to me what these facts are that I'm missing? Not trying to argue, just for knowledge (esp. since this threat is now growing and I definitely could have missed some posts).

James C said:

@Stu Sorry! You're right!



Snappo, could you please explain to me what these facts are that I'm missing? Not trying to argue, just for knowledge (esp. since this threat is now growing and I definitely could have missed some posts).

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Sorry, respectfully, no.

Snappo said:

Sorry, no.

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Haha alrighty dude suit yourself

..."it's like Deja Vu all over again"

I love all the banter every time a new Vape is being created or coming out...

Can't wait for the whining in Feb., when the company starts missing their deadline to deliver the first models.

Shrike said:

..."it's like Deja Vu all over again"

I love all the banter every time a new Vape is being created or coming out...

Can't wait for the whining in Feb., when the company starts missing their deadline to deliver the first models.

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Hahah people will be complaining like crazy all over this thread im sure. But I guess that's just human nature to want to express your frustrations.

James C said:

Hahah people will be complaining like crazy all over this thread im sure. But I guess that's just human nature to want to express your frustrations.

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It's perfectly fine to express concerns, but not to .

State your opinion and move on. Personal attacks or insults will not be tolerated.

Thank you.