Really like running the glass tube head on a vv power source. Dialed in @ 3.2v lets the coil work a bit easier/slower and delivers the goods quite well. If I had to pick between the Dabbler and the DrDabber, the Dabbler is my choice. Both pens are good, VB has done a more effective build IMO.
Vaporbrothers Dabbler & Eleven Pen
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The new ceramic cart has its coil lowered a bit so you can wipe the oil with a bit less caution, but you still need to be careful.
ashes26
Member
Hey everyone!
First time poster here, though I've lurked over the years on and off. I ended up buying a thermovape T1 a couple years ago.. I also have a MFLB.. both of these are nice, but the thermovape battery makes it less than portable for me, and the MFLB design is not super discrete, plus I'd like one handed use..
after reading up on a bunch of other pen type threads, it seems to me that the dabbler is something a whole lot of people are happy with, and I think it's going to be my purchase choice..
Major important question though, (and I've been looking in this thread and don't see much talk about it, so hoping it's a non-issue)
HOW IS THE BATTERY LIFE???
(fingers crossed you all tell me I'll be good for a couple days or so, not like the thermovape which is a couple bowls or so..)
Thanks very much!
First time poster here, though I've lurked over the years on and off. I ended up buying a thermovape T1 a couple years ago.. I also have a MFLB.. both of these are nice, but the thermovape battery makes it less than portable for me, and the MFLB design is not super discrete, plus I'd like one handed use..
after reading up on a bunch of other pen type threads, it seems to me that the dabbler is something a whole lot of people are happy with, and I think it's going to be my purchase choice..
Major important question though, (and I've been looking in this thread and don't see much talk about it, so hoping it's a non-issue)
HOW IS THE BATTERY LIFE???
(fingers crossed you all tell me I'll be good for a couple days or so, not like the thermovape which is a couple bowls or so..)
Thanks very much!
Welcome first time poster!!!! I think you have two of the best portable herb vaporizers, so things such as battery life or wonky look are a fact of life. But, are you looking to vape flowers with a pen? Dabbler is a wax pen, in a completely different ballgame as herb vaporizers. A direct comparison is hard to make for a couple reasons.
Wax pens like Dabbler are conduction vaporizers best for solids & oils only. They efficiently transmit heat directly into the oil, evaporating a tiny amount at at time. This allows the heaters and the batteries to be very small, hence the pen like size. Battery life is anywhere between a few days and a few weeks depending on use. Dabbler does well in this regard because the internal circuit reduces power draw and limits the temperature of the heater, extending the capacity and the lifetime significantly.
Last I checked, Thermovape is a true convection vaporizer / MF is partly convection. Convection vaporizers heat air that passes through the plant matter with little or no contact of the herbs against a hot surface. This is no small feat for a portable vaporizer, and partly why we never came up with a portable version of our box vaporizer. True convection vapes have to heat a large volume of air (about a liter per big hit) to high temperatures (more than 500°F in many cases). The air is transported into the herb chamber, losing much of its heat along the way. To get an acceptable hit, you need serious battery power. The result is a lovely taste though.
Some pen styles are supposed to work herb but I haven't tried one that doesn't char the herbs by direct contact with a hot surface. New stuff is coming out constantly from omicron/persei, so I would look there. As far as I know, no portable for herbs works without tinkering, practice and a bit of spending. Let me know if you find something good.
Quickly- about lithium battery life. These things are hard on lithium batteries: not charging them fully before first use, leaving them discharged for long periods, using them hard when fully charged (oddly), using them while they are hot, leaving them to charge for long periods on no-name or cheap brand chargers.
ashes26
Member
Thank you! I am basically looking for a stealthy way to medicate (whether concentrates or flowers.. I like both ;-) , and I like the stealthy look of the pen type thing. But am terrified of plastic parts and inhaling plastic if it gets too hot and all the other horror stories I've heard about w regard to most e-pen 'vapes'.
I'm ok w this one being for concentrates.. I'm even ok w some combustion (eek! I know it's a bad word here, sorry!).. I just don't want to be using a lighter/hemp wick.
Edited cuz somehow I skipped the paragraph above that I needed most (doh!)
A few days battery life would be great for me..
Thanks again!
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That's an excellent summary with one small exception: the MFLB isn't partly convection. The load is between the air intake and heating surface. There is no pre-heated air, therefore no convection.
JoeKickass
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Shit that sucks man, that's the main reason why I haven't tried the glass yet...dammit, sat on my tube and broke the glass yesterday...
dammit dammit dammit, this was my daily driver too...
ordered a new heater and they are going to hook me up with some glass till the tubes are back in stock. VW rocks!
Do you notice a taste improvement since you're planning to try another glass?
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Hey guys, so I hopped on the new coil and glass globe as soon as they were up on VW. I have a couple reviews for potential buyers or interested vape enthusiasts. I'm not the most educated nor qualified reviewer so take it with a pinch of salt.
Ceramic coil: In my opinion this is a drastic improvement over the first dabbler coil. To start, the bowl is a little higher so any residual goo can be easily scraped back onto the coil. The new ceramic coil is much sturdier compared to the old one, it feels a lot less likely to break from a overly aggressive application. As for the taste I honestly think there IS a difference. The ceramic coil--to me--tastes a lot cleaner.
Glass globe: Very similar to the og dabbler coil. One negative is that I think it heats up a little too fast. I only get about 2-3 hits out of a good dab that the ceramic would get 5-6 out of. I love being able to white wall the globe though it's a very cool effect. I also like loading the globe more it's easier to open and close, and you can also look directly through the mouthpiece and see the coil IE. the massive dab that you are about to consume!
Overall these two additions are a definite buy especially the ceramic one. Shout out to VB and VW!
Ceramic coil: In my opinion this is a drastic improvement over the first dabbler coil. To start, the bowl is a little higher so any residual goo can be easily scraped back onto the coil. The new ceramic coil is much sturdier compared to the old one, it feels a lot less likely to break from a overly aggressive application. As for the taste I honestly think there IS a difference. The ceramic coil--to me--tastes a lot cleaner.
Glass globe: Very similar to the og dabbler coil. One negative is that I think it heats up a little too fast. I only get about 2-3 hits out of a good dab that the ceramic would get 5-6 out of. I love being able to white wall the globe though it's a very cool effect. I also like loading the globe more it's easier to open and close, and you can also look directly through the mouthpiece and see the coil IE. the massive dab that you are about to consume!
Overall these two additions are a definite buy especially the ceramic one. Shout out to VB and VW!
rekrab
Well-Known Member
Great little review man. Like matthend I talked to AJ about the ceramic cores and even though like he said there isnt really a huge increase in functionality or performance I just coulndnt resist trying it. the overall sturdiness for me will be nice. i am rough
the overall sturdiness for me will be nice. i am rough
The ceramic rod is held in place by the same fragile coil that surrounds the fiber wick on the original heater. So please use a bit of finesse, treat her gently.
I speak with too many disappointed customers that break the coil by not using care.I'm glad to hear some people are liking the ceramic core over the original. Although others are going to be disappointed (like the several people we had test the beta heaters) that they don't get the fat hit the fiber wick delivers. As you noticed in comparison with the Globe/Tube that uses the fiber wick.
Keep the reviews coming on the ceramic core and tubes. Hopefully they will be back in stock sooner than later. I still haven't received a timeframe for when that is.
rekrab
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The ceramic rod is held in place by the same fragile coil that surrounds the fiber wick on the original heater. So please use a bit of finesse, treat her gently.
I'm glad to hear some people are liking the ceramic core over the original. Although others are going to be disappointed (like the several people we had test the beta heaters) that they don't get the fat hit the fiber wick delivers. As you noticed in comparison with the Globe/Tube that uses the fiber wick.
Keep the reviews coming on the ceramic core and tubes. Hopefully they will be back in stock sooner than later. I still haven't received a timeframe for when that is.
dont worry i understand i have multiple heaters and have yet to damage them. rough may be an overstatement. ooohy gooy globs maybe not.
@rekrab I know you are a pro. I just wanted to throw that out there for the less experienced so they use care. I really do speak with a fair amount of customers that break the coil after several uses (and it's not just the Dabbler coils).
Awww, I was being generous. I consider the air being heated by the screen and carried deeper into the herb, so - a little convection there imo. His earlier prototypes were pure convection but too ungainly to become a product. I'd like to say I'm friends with MF's inventor but he is so hard to get on email or phone that we haven't talked in years.
OF
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Interesting.....this would be the Launch Tube? I've never seen one, but based on the videos I'd say it was even more pure conduction than the LB? That is I think the LB added a secondary use of IR, but both depend on the bud sitting directly on the hot mesh. In the case of the LB what little flow there is is moving the heated air away seems to me. If anything I'd say the LT had more convection going for it?
OF
Well I think when labeling a vaporizer conduction/radiation/convection, the biggest effect is named. Vapes like atmos raw iolite heat the herb by direct contact with heated metal, so I call them conduction. A little IR radiation & convection is also going on in those vaporizers. MFLB, similar. Although I see MFLB doesn't force the hot air through the herb like our vap or others that use a whip... So, um, I'm back to conduction for MFLB. agreeing with @pakalolo now.
The early prototype he showed me had an tiny quartz tube with a single heating wire inside. Air was blown through the tube at the herbs. It was like a little hot air gun. You'd aim it at the portion of herbs you wanted to vape at that moment. I'm not sure if this is still confidential so I'll save the detail for now.
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Deadshort480
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And let me tell you something... The Dabbler is pretty fuckin sweet. Sooo easy to load and use. Not to mention that it's classy. It's so classy that I usually use it with my pinky raised.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
That looks like my Pinnacle Hydrotube. I just discovered this technique, and LOVE it.
Chill Dude
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I totally agree! I love everything about the dabbler: ease of use, quick heat up time, controlled heat output, not to mention very tasty hits!! The only negative I've found is that the threads get gunked up and need to be cleaned frequently, but that's not a big deal.... Okay, and yes, I have noticed my pinky flare out on a couple of occasions for style points!!