Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils

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OF said:
And what, specifically, is the advantage of grade 2?

As I see it, this application doesn't take advantage of the properties available over other Ti materials. Most of the whiz bang material science stuff (tensile strength, extreme temperatures, corrosion resistance and so on) are not useful here, and in fact seeing as how the important points are probably workability of the wire (ability to cold form without stresses) and weldability I think, other grades might actually be better? Or at least not worse. In general you pick a material to match a mission not just because it's the 'in vogue' one?

So, why grade 2? TIA

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Because grade 2 is the best one for this use. It is commercially pure and capable of handling the stress if heating and cooling like a titanium nail. All worthwhile titanium nails use grade 2 because of the purity.

Take a loom at grade 2 Ti

Component Wt. %
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C. Max 0.1
Fe. Max 0.3
H. Max 0.015
N. Max 0.03
O. Max 0.25
Ti. 99.2


Now looking at grade 5.

Component Wt. %
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Al. 6
Fe. Max 0.25
O. Max 0.2
Ti. 90
V. 4


The two main differences is the aluminum and vanadium in grade 5.

We are trying to push the envelope and go forward while you might be ok with aluminum in your body or having vanadium I'm not and would rather use Ti Grades 1-4.

Now if you have a link to these so called Ti's I'm happy to have it sample tested.
 
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The two main differences is the aluminum and vanadium in grade 5.

We are trying to push the envelope and go forward while you might be ok with aluminum in your body or having vanadium I'm not and would rather use Ti Grades 1-4.

Now if you have a link to these so called Ti's I'm happy to have it sample tested.
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I'm smelling a straw man here. Metallic Aluminum and Vanadium are not toxic. We use the former in foil for food use (including baking....) and the latter is part of common stainless steels, hardly a recognized health risk. What evidence do you have that any of those elements actually ends up in the vapor? I suspect it's zero.....why would it be otherwise?

Remember, in this use the metal doesn't get anywhere near as hot as with a nail.

While this is not the exact version I have (this one has a neat little lid that keeps the glass clean...), these are basically the same I think:
http://www.thedabshack.com/product/halo-titanium-glass-dome/

There seems to be a surprising number of versions of globe vapes with Ti heaters already out there now that I look a bit:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1423310545/Halo_510_Titanium_Dome_galss_globe.html

Again, two things are important here I think. First, exactly which alloys are being used and secondly why (specifically) one is better than another.

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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
The two main differences is the aluminum and vanadium in grade 5.

We are trying to push the envelope and go forward while you might be ok with aluminum in your body or having vanadium I'm not and would rather use Ti Grades 1-4.

Now if you have a link to these so called Ti's I'm happy to have it sample tested.
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you can claim non-toxicity or straw man all you want. bottom line, the customers prefer grade 2. he is providing it. regardless, the grade 2 is safe, so what's the point of complaining? if you want to debate that stuff, make another thread for it maybe?

i for one will not use grade 5 nails.
 
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you can claim non-toxicity or straw man all you want. bottom line, the customers prefer grade 2. he is providing it. regardless, the grade 2 is safe, so what's the point of complaining? if you want to debate that stuff, make another thread for it maybe?

i for one will not use grade 5 nails.
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We're having this same discussion in two places, I suggest we drop it here.....or there? As I just said there I'm questioning the 'proof' that others are using grade 5 (it would be more expensive and harder to work I think) and is there proof that there is any safety or other issues at the much lower temperatures and more protected (oxygen staved) environment that happens here?

I agree, for nails guys want (and will pay extra for) non grade 5 nails, but using grade 5 for nails is a fluke due to the medical reject market? It's cheap stock material, like those funny metal screens in furnace filters, the ones with the big round holes? Did you know that those are the scrap from making beer bottle caps?

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do we have pics of the KISS cart? Does it have a drip tip?
Bob Loblaw said:
you can claim non-toxicity or straw man all you want. bottom line, the customers prefer grade 2. he is providing it.
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A lot of people are marketing BHO as CO2 wax too. I wouldn't be able to tell what grade titanium is but from China I remain skeptical

I am kinda underwhelmed by the omicron v2 so far. I guess the BHO is not a good idea as it doesn't really feed without a torch and that is eating up all the benefits (I would rather LAYG than do that). CO2 oil ran right through the omicron. Tried a half-liquid CO2 and that didn't feed so great either. Not problem free at least.
But I would say most of it is the fact that I cannot see inside to know why my expensive product is not feeding or know how much heat it needs without being excessive.
Using a toothpick to keep wax on a wick seems convenient in comparison
 
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just bought it, thanks. IS there an instruction video on how use this cart, or is it really as simple as it sounds????
 
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just bought it, thanks. IS there an instruction video on how use this cart, or is it really as simple as it sounds????
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Simple as it sounds.

Take top off insert material screw top on insert mouth piece and vaporize.
 
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Let me make sure I am using adequate battery power.
Is 650mah enough for an ego?
I have a vv ego too (not sure mah??) but kept that at 3.2 I think (whatever is the lowest). I thought I read about burnout with anything other than that. Should I be using 900 or even 1300 mah?
 
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Let me make sure I am using adequate battery power.
Is 650mah enough for an ego?
I have a vv ego too (not sure mah??) but kept that at 3.2 I think (whatever is the lowest). I thought I read about burnout with anything other than that. Should I be using 900 or even 1300 mah?
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that is the one thing i think does not work with our cartridges for some reason many people are saying the VV ego does not work with the kiss but its only 1 person so not sure if thats the case here.
 
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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
that is the one thing i think does not work with our cartridges for some reason many people are saying the VV ego does not work with the kiss but its only 1 person so not sure if thats the case here.
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But a regular 650mah should be enough, right? Or should I be using something higher?

OK thanks guys! That makes sense. I will try at 3.7 and see what I get.
 
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Space Case said:
Let me make sure I am using adequate battery power.
Is 650mah enough for an ego?
I have a vv ego too (not sure mah??) but kept that at 3.2 I think (whatever is the lowest). I thought I read about burnout with anything other than that. Should I be using 900 or even 1300 mah?
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From what I understand, the mah (milliamp hours) rating is used exclusively for how much battery life or capacity you have, as opposed to heat output. The Omi uses 3.7 volts, so raising from 3.2 to 3.7 should provide a similar heat output. I've not used the kiss cart yet but know at least the regular omi style carts work great on vv ecig pens with the proper adapter. Personally I enjoy regulated voltage and USB passthru so the omi fun never stops & always get the same heat, but it's just another tool for another purpose.

On another note, I understand the topic of titanium coils came up along with a claim it was done here first. Whether it is necessary versus other carts is up to the end user thru deciding to purchase or not - however I can appreciate it was pointed out that other layg styles including some globes (this includes mine) are already using titanium, supposedly. Whether the grade used in the globe is the same as w9 is questionable, and this gives rise to discussing whether they really are the first to make a titanium coil layg. Such outcomes however do not sway my purchasing decisions, as this information typically is of benefit strictly to manufacturers for advertising and not necessarily an indication how well it performs against models that weren't "first" - and the cannabis community can get very competitive/heated quickly. Either way we're in this together, let's continue keeping it civil.
 
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@FeelingFactory its not about using titanium its about using the right grade and how its done.

Some companies package stuff here and call it assembled in USA, some company just straight out bs. The point is just because it has titanium in it does not mean its safe or should marketed as better, since i guarantee you if they can use Grade 2 they will and market it as such.

Its about the end user and we are only about them. This company was founded on that and it will stay like that till my death.
 
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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
@FeelingFactory its not about using titanium its about using the right grade and how its done.

Some companies package stuff here and call it assembled in USA, some company just straight out bs. The point is just because it has titanium in it does not mean its safe or should marketed as better, since i guarantee you if they can use Grade 2 they will and market it as such.

Its about the end user and we are only about them. This company was founded on that and it will stay like that till my death.
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I know your good!

OMG the K.I.S.S on the OMICRON!
NORTHERN LIGHTS SHATTER!

T.G.I.F!

It's only 12:15PM and I feel this good?
 
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@THC SCIENTIFIC I recieved a KISS cart on weds a chrome one. And I'm having problems with air flow path on it. The Ceramic cup sitting in the housing is not fitted tight so im getting air between cup and housing which is causing burnt taste/dry hit.The air flow is divided between cup+housing and the prime air hole under the coil. The coil is not getting proper air flow. I also added 2 o-rings to the housing threads to make sure that the mouthpeice cone was not leaking the air thur the cone and housing thread where you screw them together. I'm amazed that no one else notice this. Nichrome wire is a poor choose to use with a solid wick. Because It flex with heat unlike inconel and kanthal.
 
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ArchVape said:
@THC SCIENTIFIC I recieved a KISS cart on weds a chrome one. And I'm having problems with air flow path on it. The Ceramic cup sitting in the housing is not fitted tight so im getting air between cup and housing which is causing burnt taste/dry hit.The air flow is divided between cup+housing and the prime air hole under the coil. The coil is not getting proper air flow. I also added 2 o-rings to the housing threads to make sure that the mouthpeice cone was not leaking the air thur the cone and housing thread where you screw them together. I'm amazed that no one else notice this...
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Hi there Arch

If you could call the office 818-849-6133 so that we may discuss the issue and see if we cant trouble shoot also a picture could be helpful. ** removed email**.


Thanks
Naomi
 
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I just wanted to add afew things. I was comparing the Kiss cart to dabbler with the glass wick not the ceramic one. I don't have a ceramic dabbler one yet so I can't compare the 2. The reason that Kiss cart doesn't have a nickel form/SS mesh is because they don't want any unsafe metal next to the core. The Kiss cart yellow ceramic is a natural medical grade material. If you see a white ceramic its been chemically treated.
 
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ArchVape said:
I just wanted to add afew things. I was comparing the Kiss cart to dabbler with the glass wick not the ceramic one. I don't have a ceramic dabbler one yet so I can't compare the 2. The reason that Kiss cart doesn't have a nickel form/SS mesh is because they don't want any unsafe metal next to the core. The Kiss cart yellow ceramic is a natural medical grade material. If you see a white ceramic its been chemically treated.
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That is the whole goal to remove unwanted material. We simply dont see the reason to have this.

On a side note porous ceramic. Making a come back.

Next Generation coming soon. Just keep supporting and we will keep making it better and better and better and better and better and better cant make it a white one so we will just make it darker.

 
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