Long time smoker looking for something better than solo and volcano

I keep finding myself going back to old ways with combusting. Both of my vaps (original volcano and solo) get my really really high but I always choose smoking over vaping.

Any other suggestions for other vaps?

I usually just smoke one bowl and that does the trick. Sometimes just one large fat hit vs 15 solo vap hits that i always underestimate and it leaves me extremely high, lol.

Why not try something Basic like a VaporGenie, Unless your a spaz(sorry) you can pull giant hits and it is as close as you can get to smoking IMHO.

Ox45 said:

I keep finding myself going back to old ways with combusting. Both of my vaps (original volcano and solo) get my really really high but I always choose smoking over vaping.

Any other suggestions for other vaps?

I usually just smoke one bowl and that does the trick. Sometimes just one large fat hit vs 15 solo vap hits that i always underestimate and it leaves me extremely high, lol.

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What temperature do you use on your volcano, and how much herb do you use?

Flashvape s2 gets you pretty damn close to a bong hit from what I've heard. Other than that I'd also recommend a vaporgenie. If you want a purely desktop I'd recommend a 7th floor product for those big hits for a not so big price.

Look into the log vaporizers from Tasty Top (Heat Island) and Underdog. A little herb in those devices can deliver big hits.

Old also say a vapor genie or a difrent cape that uses a lighter you get big fat hits and it fells a lot like smoking

if you looking at a vaporgenie, maybe you'd want to look at the Lotus vaporizer too. it's got an old-school feel but still imho a step above conventional flame vaporizers. The Lotus produces clean no-butane vapor; is durable, stylish, can be used by itself or with glass, produces instant vapor and handles well as a peace pipe or a stabbing weapon/cudgel.

If you are going back to smoking after having a volcano and solo then vaping might not be for you. It's not for everyone. The only things left to try would be some expensive heavy hitters like the Cloud or Sublimator, but those are in the price range of the Volcano...really expensive for someone who is satisfied with a match.

I suggest you try a vaporizer which provides thicker vapour, and always start at higher settings. Sometimes people miss the harsher throat feeling, other times the couch lock, and other times the ritual of rolling and having a joint in the hand.

What makes you prefer smoking? What is missing in the high from vaporizing?

Also, do you use tobacco when you smoke?

I'm with sticks in thinking that you may not be motivated enough to switch to vaping. One mistake in trying to switch is going back to smoking without giving vapor a good shot. You probably need to lay off smoking for about a week. Going back and forth -vapor to smoke- isn't a good method if you're actually trying to quit smoking.

One reason that a single smoked bowl "does the trick" could be that you're liking the body effects (couchlock) that are so easy to get with smoke. You get smoke byproducts that are really not part of the cannabis high. Vapor provides a much cleaner high. If you like the smoke effects, the smoke doesn't bother you, and you feel like you use less, why wouldn't you just keep smoking? You need to have a motivation to switch. Either vape you mention is good enough. The hardware isn't the problem.

I'm with Sticks and Max, but one thing to try is packing a huge bowl in your volcano with the knob cranked to 11. That bag should provide the couch locky feelings you're after.

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I'm with Sticks and Max, but one thing to try is packing a huge bowl in your volcano with the knob cranked to 11. That bag should provide the couch locky feelings you're after.

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No, packing a bowl is counterproductive since it will cool down the bowl too much. You want to do the opposite, and use very little. This has been shown in a study, so it's not just my view point. That's why I asked him how much he uses when he fills the chamber.

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Not sure about your usage but if you take t-breaks, on your first session back from said break only vape that should give you a good idea if it's something you can stick to or if the byproducts of smoking are something you aren't ready to give up.

You could always use a shotty pen vape like the RX or similar cheap variations. They basically combust most of the hit vaping the rest.

luchiano said:

No, packing a bowl is counterproductive since it will cool down the bowl too much. You want to do the opposite, and use very little. This has been shown in a study, so it's not just my view point. That's why I asked him how much he uses when he fills the chamber.

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Okay.

I didn't say "pack" as in pack a pipe. What was obviously meant was to fill the chamber more than he might of been doing. As long as airflow isn't compromised a larger load will produce greater vapor. I don't know what study you're talking about, Lou.

If you have some magic, mystical device that produces more vapor when you load less material, I'd love to buy it off ya.

I'll find the study when I get off my mobile device.

When you pack a lot of herb in any vaporizer or smoking tool, the plant fibers are good at keeping themselves cool, and all that vapor you see is nothing more then some actives that have cooled down, condensed, and mixed with the incoming air. This excess air puffs up the vapor and gives it a big look but it's not full of actives as you may think. This also gives an adrenaline rush type high but, not necessarily a potent one. When you use less herb to the point it looks like it's a joke, and use the proper temperature, you will see a more potent effect then using a lot which will trick your eyes. The thing is you need to give it time for the high to settle in or just keep reloading the bowl to get blasted.

EDIT: Here's the study and graph that I'm specifically talking about. There also graphs that deal with thc and temperature on the page in the link
http://stash.norml.org/new-study-examines-cannabis-vaporization

Here's the graph. Notice the more herb that is used the less thc is being released.
http://stash.norml.org/wp-content/uploads/volcano3.png

THANK YOU. I have friends who just pack a ton in their MFLB because it yields bigger vapor, I have always thought it was a waste.

if you don't mind dropping the cash try out the sublimator. it's a herb and oil rig all in one! you can take the temps as close to combustion as you like, and as you get closer you will get harsher and harsher vapor. maybe that's what you want.

a sublimator will give you:
- huge visual feedback
- intensely strong highs from the sublimate oil it produces.
- an experience that is similar to taking massive bong rips.

It might be right up your alley. hope that it's enough to stop you from going back to smoking!

for people who are new to vapor the main thing to know is the high of smoking vs the high of vapor are different. But it's both weed. what gives you ask? when you smoke there are hundreds of different things that makeup what the smoke is. all of these things combined give you that high you have always known, loved and learned to think is a THC/CBD/CBN high. it is those things, but with a whole lot more!

vapor by comparison is only 11 or so(I cant remember, I'm pulling this fact, out of a 2 year old memory) different things that makeup what the vapor is. and as a result you get a much more pure and cleaner hit. all that garbage (as i like to think of it) that is in smoke is left out and sitting in the plant matter that's left behind instead of inside you.

the interesting thing about that study is we've been generally thinking on this site that big hits are wasteful because your lungs can't absorb all that thc at once, and what is exhaled is waste. This study was, I am sure, measuring levels before inhalation, which means the thick vapor going in is less potent by weight than the thinner vapor (assuming the smaller loads were thinner).

my first session of the day is usually smaller and stronger than the later ones and I always figured it was due to that first hit being to a clean system, but it may also be because I am using bigger loads later on thinking I need more thc to get the effect.

maybe lwien has just been living it right (without knowing why) by having silly small loads and not needing much of them.