The Lotus Vaporizer
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vorrange
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The glass genie would be comparable in taste to the lotus jhook kit, the wood genie is 30% cheaper.
I like the wood genie because it looks like a regular pipe, the lotus is a weird pipe for those who don't understand vaporization and would turn some heads on a public space where the genie would only turn the heads of the observant people who fail to see the smoke.
The main problem in the wood genie to me is that eventually the taste wont be the same because the wood can't be properly cleaned, you can always buy a new bottom when this happens. And of course, if you use a jhook+genie top or jhook+genie coil this wont happen either.
So the price of the Lotus is justified considering this IMO.
OTOH, the taste is quite good although with that hint of wood as in the MFLB, that i personally like but i much rather have pure clean taste.
So, in the long run, the Lotus will always have a better taste than the wood genie, and it's easily cleanable which is a big plus as well.
The fact that you inhale butane is vaguely noticed but i don't agree the taste is bad. I do agree that the hot air from the torch lighter is much harsher, the piezo lighter isn't as harsh, but i'm guessing the Lotus will always be less harsh.
In conclusion, in the beggining the difference in taste won't be that much but as the wood genie gets used and if you accidentaly combust, the difference will be noticeable, especially when the terpenes are gone.
As for the harshness, it was never a problem, although i would notice if i used the genie a lot compared to other vapes.
As for the butane taste, again, it's just a hint, but it's there. Especially when you first light it as there is always some butane that spills before the flame ignites.
My interest for the Lotus over the Genie is mainly because i want a similar experience with a better and longer lasting taste, and much better to clean. i'm guessing this would be a nice unit to take on a plane well cleaned.
The main disadvantage, to me, is that you lose the classical pipe look.
The perfect pipe would be something made with wood but with glass inside, and bowl with the plate like the lotus so that the butane exhaust is not inhaled.
I like the wood genie because it looks like a regular pipe, the lotus is a weird pipe for those who don't understand vaporization and would turn some heads on a public space where the genie would only turn the heads of the observant people who fail to see the smoke.
The main problem in the wood genie to me is that eventually the taste wont be the same because the wood can't be properly cleaned, you can always buy a new bottom when this happens. And of course, if you use a jhook+genie top or jhook+genie coil this wont happen either.
So the price of the Lotus is justified considering this IMO.
OTOH, the taste is quite good although with that hint of wood as in the MFLB, that i personally like but i much rather have pure clean taste.
So, in the long run, the Lotus will always have a better taste than the wood genie, and it's easily cleanable which is a big plus as well.
The fact that you inhale butane is vaguely noticed but i don't agree the taste is bad. I do agree that the hot air from the torch lighter is much harsher, the piezo lighter isn't as harsh, but i'm guessing the Lotus will always be less harsh.
In conclusion, in the beggining the difference in taste won't be that much but as the wood genie gets used and if you accidentaly combust, the difference will be noticeable, especially when the terpenes are gone.
As for the harshness, it was never a problem, although i would notice if i used the genie a lot compared to other vapes.
As for the butane taste, again, it's just a hint, but it's there. Especially when you first light it as there is always some butane that spills before the flame ignites.
My interest for the Lotus over the Genie is mainly because i want a similar experience with a better and longer lasting taste, and much better to clean. i'm guessing this would be a nice unit to take on a plane well cleaned.
The main disadvantage, to me, is that you lose the classical pipe look.
The perfect pipe would be something made with wood but with glass inside, and bowl with the plate like the lotus so that the butane exhaust is not inhaled.
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natural farmer
Well-Known Member
That's exactly what I wanted to ask @Max Jitter about!
Now that we have glass (J-hooks), I am eagerly anticipating for a classic tobacco wood pipe stem and if it can be straight and lined with glass all the better!!! 
The bowl could also be on the large side like many tobacco pipes and when you place the Vapor Cup the sides would be flush with the pipe bowl and won't protrude like the Enterprise... 
Full stealth! 
EDIT: Even better? A PIPE ADAPTER that can transform any tobacco pipe into a Lotus stem!
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vorrange
Vapor.wise
I prefer the smaller bowl though, the genie bowl is too big for my usage. I had a hard time conserving with it.
I think that lined with glass is the only way, otherwise you can just get a genie.
And it wouldn't be hard to do, since wood can easily be glued. Just get a mold in two halves, surrounding the glass body.
I think that lined with glass is the only way, otherwise you can just get a genie.
And it wouldn't be hard to do, since wood can easily be glued. Just get a mold in two halves, surrounding the glass body.
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joshisagoodman
New Member
After a few days with the lotus, I've gotten the technique down and this thing is amazing. So much so that I'm considering buying a spare cap for my WPA and whatever eventual piece I use that for. (And to have a spare in case tragedy were to strike either of them.) 5/8'' flame with the screen barely covered. I like to take a small hit first, stir it up a bit, and then put another scoop on top for a huge hit. It tastes better and conserves just as much as any other vaporizer I've ever smoked, and you still get to light a bowl. That's what gets me!
Has anyone tried their WPA with a bong and bubbler or have any preference on that?
Has anyone tried their WPA with a bong and bubbler or have any preference on that?
VapeNStone
Mark
I have tried it with a bong but I found it to hard to judge how long to heat and whatnot. I didn't burn the bowl but I sure scorched the hell out of it lol. Filled up my biggest bong though with ease.
S1N3
Tarzan @ KloudSociety
A old Poll I made over at MassDrop finally received the 200 votes. I've since purchased my own but wonder if @Max Jitter is interested in doing a bulk order?
Meghan
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I'm hoping to buy a Lotus kit with a WPA pretty soon, and am also hoping to get a new piece of glass that might work well with it (and some of my other vapes). I know that clearance is an issue with the built-in pick with the Lotus. Can anyone shed some light on whether it would make this piece unusable? I would be using a low-pro reducer to go from 18mm to 14mm.
If anyone has a good suggestion for a reasonably priced piece of (American) glass that works well with the Lotus (and, ideally, also the Solo, Pinnacle, Underdog, or possibly even the BHOLT...lol), lay it on me! I see the Lotus being my main flower vape to use through water, and want to make sure that whatever I get works well with that vape in particular.
If anyone has a good suggestion for a reasonably priced piece of (American) glass that works well with the Lotus (and, ideally, also the Solo, Pinnacle, Underdog, or possibly even the BHOLT...lol), lay it on me! I see the Lotus being my main flower vape to use through water, and want to make sure that whatever I get works well with that vape in particular.
Roger D
Vapor Wizard
I'm hoping to buy a Lotus kit with a WPA pretty soon, and am also hoping to get a new piece of glass that might work well with it (and some of my other vapes). I know that clearance is an issue with the built-in pick with the Lotus. Can anyone shed some light on whether it would make this piece unusable? I would be using a low-pro reducer to go from 18mm to 14mm.
If anyone has a good suggestion for a reasonably priced piece of (American) glass that works well with the Lotus (and, ideally, also the Solo, Pinnacle, Underdog, or possibly even the BHOLT...lol), lay it on me! I see the Lotus being my main flower vape to use through water, and want to make sure that whatever I get works well with that vape in particular.
Not a good idea imo, got both this piece and the lotus. This could work but awkwardly I did not even tried. That would be difficult with a low pro you would prefer a regular adapter. Jhan pieces are awesome, choose something with more clearance
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Meghan
Well-Known Member
Thanks so much for the reply! Yeah, I was afraid of that...I admit that I'm a glass noob, and don't have a ton of confidence when it comes to choosing the right piece for my needs. I'm trying to find something from Jhan's inventory because I know he has a great reputation, but I have size restrictions because I have to hide my glass away between usages (I'm a parent). That makes it tough to find the "right" piece.
If anyone has a good suggestion (from Jhan or someone else), let me know! I don't care for straight tubes and don't want a lot of height, and really want a female joint. Other than that, I'm not hugely picky except that I don't have a ton of money to spend.
AdventurousMoustache
Active Member
I use my lotus with that exact piece and and it's absolutely fantastic to hit, though I prefer my alixpress honeycomb.I'm hoping to buy a Lotus kit with a WPA pretty soon, and am also hoping to get a new piece of glass that might work well with it (and some of my other vapes). I know that clearance is an issue with the built-in pick with the Lotus. Can anyone shed some light on whether it would make this piece unusable? I would be using a low-pro reducer to go from 18mm to 14mm.
If anyone has a good suggestion for a reasonably priced piece of (American) glass that works well with the Lotus (and, ideally, also the Solo, Pinnacle, Underdog, or possibly even the BHOLT...lol), lay it on me! I see the Lotus being my main flower vape to use through water, and want to make sure that whatever I get works well with that vape in particular.
joshisagoodman
New Member
I'm hoping to buy a Lotus kit with a WPA pretty soon, and am also hoping to get a new piece of glass that might work well with it (and some of my other vapes). I know that clearance is an issue with the built-in pick with the Lotus. Can anyone shed some light on whether it would make this piece unusable? I would be using a low-pro reducer to go from 18mm to 14mm.
If anyone has a good suggestion for a reasonably priced piece of (American) glass that works well with the Lotus (and, ideally, also the Solo, Pinnacle, Underdog, or possibly even the BHOLT...lol), lay it on me! I see the Lotus being my main flower vape to use through water, and want to make sure that whatever I get works well with that vape in particular.
Where did you find a piece like this online? I've been looking through a few different websites but haven't had tons of luck. I'm looking for a small bubbler like this.
Meghan
Well-Known Member
I haven't used MassDrop. Would all the pieces go to one address and then MassDrop ships out the individual orders?
S1N3
Tarzan @ KloudSociety
That's correct, it would be for one order.
Their basic MD business model is this:
1) The MassDrop community decides which item they want the most (Using a Poll)
2) After 200 votes, MassDrop uses the feedback to contact the most popular vendor.
3) They negotiate a FUTURE purchase if MassDrop can secure a specified order.
3a) Normally they have 3 tiers of price savings: X Number of Orders = Y% Off MSRP.
Where the greater the number of buyers, will yield a greater discount for everyone participating.
4) After the "Drop" is over they count up all the participants and place a single order to you at the negotiated price.
5) You ship one order to their warehouse
6) They re-ship to everyone tacking on their own S/H Fee.
nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
Just to clarify Sine's post a little more, step 3a involves customers committing to purchase from mass drop: a separate process from the poll. This is where the variable X comes from. The poll is just a no-commitment process to gage interest before they initially contact you and set up the actual "drop".
AdventurousMoustache
Active Member
Depends on how you hit it, if you take smaller hits you can avoid couch-lock, but if you go for clouds it still isn't so bad.after reading about the cloud production capability of the lotus several pages ago, is it safe to assume it brings one closer to the couch lock effect? or am i totally on the wrong track here?
VapeNStone
Mark
also depends on your medicine
joshisagoodman
New Member
I'm not heavily experienced with different size adapters and glass pieces but I do love hammer bubblers. Could you use the WPA with a 2 piece hammer? Something similar to the one pictured below. This one is an 18mm joint. I was thinking that using an 18mm to 14mm adapter would provide more clearance for the lotus stir stick as well as making it so that I can take off the bowl to clear it without burning myself. (I'm assuming the WPA gets quite hot.)
Or would something like this work better? I'm not so sure about being able to see the cap, torch the middle, and lean down to hit the piece itself on a bubbler like this though.
Or would something like this work better? I'm not so sure about being able to see the cap, torch the middle, and lean down to hit the piece itself on a bubbler like this though.
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natural farmer
Well-Known Member
I'm not heavily experienced with different size adapters and glass pieces but I do love hammer bubblers. Could you use the WPA with a 2 piece hammer? Something similar to the one pictured below. This one is an 18mm joint. I was thinking that using an 18mm to 14mm adapter would provide more clearance for the lotus stir stick as well as making it so that I can take off the bowl to clear it without burning myself. (I'm assuming the WPA gets quite hot.)
Or would something like this work better? I'm not so sure about being able to see the cap, torch the middle, and lean down to hit the piece itself on a bubbler like this though.
I would choose something that keeps the lighter at a safe distance from my nose. Even my Ehle is not so comfy to hit... Too close! You might be better of with an A/C-Jhook combo IMHO...
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Hi, Guys ! I got a friend interested in purchasing the water kit from vedampftnochmal.de anyone got theirs from there ? Is it the new model.. ?
On the topic with the glass lined wood.. I've seen those..hybrid pipes ..
http://smokinjs.com/Tricolor-Wood-and-Glass-Hybrid-Pipe-H0209/
http://smokinjs.com/Rosewood-and-Glass-Hybrid-Pipe-H0208/
On the topic with the glass lined wood
.. I've seen those..hybrid pipes ..http://smokinjs.com/Tricolor-Wood-and-Glass-Hybrid-Pipe-H0209/
http://smokinjs.com/Rosewood-and-Glass-Hybrid-Pipe-H0208/
axakal
Well-Known Member
i asked them two weeks or so ago, if they were selling the latest modell. seems like they ordered a new batch that should have arrived last week, but they still haven't changed the description. i'd wait a little. only have had positive experiences bying from the guys.
Hi, Guys ! I got a friend interested in purchasing the water kit from vedampftnochmal.de anyone got theirs from there ? Is it the new model.. ?
On the topic with the glass lined wood
http://smokinjs.com/Tricolor-Wood-and-Glass-Hybrid-Pipe-H0209/
http://smokinjs.com/Rosewood-and-Glass-Hybrid-Pipe-H0208/
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Sneech
Well-Known Member
Even though it says the water pipe kits on the lotus website are still sold out, I placed a reorder last week and had the kit at my door in three days.(live in US)
Also, I've def got a better technique down. When I preheat now, I use the outer blue area that fades away to heat the plate rather then the tip if the inner cone and the orange spot no longer appears.
I inhale a lot slower too, its almost like barely breathing in for me, and the vapor starts filling up the j hook! Then I just pull it all in from there. Although when I'm inhaling i bring the torch lighter closer, just to the cone tip again, the orange spot comes back and follows the swirling of the torch. I guess it cant be helped.
With this method a just covering screen to half bowl gets about 3 good tasty vapory hits, and then the fourth is pretty toasty and its done. Is this a standard amount? I may not be sure about duration, but when that tiny amount is done, I'm way done too
. Even the first two tasty ones alone get me like 
.
Also, I've def got a better technique down. When I preheat now, I use the outer blue area that fades away to heat the plate rather then the tip if the inner cone and the orange spot no longer appears.
I inhale a lot slower too, its almost like barely breathing in for me, and the vapor starts filling up the j hook!
Then I just pull it all in from there. Although when I'm inhaling i bring the torch lighter closer, just to the cone tip again, the orange spot comes back and follows the swirling of the torch. I guess it cant be helped. With this method a just covering screen to half bowl gets about 3 good tasty vapory hits, and then the fourth is pretty toasty and its done. Is this a standard amount? I may not be sure about duration, but when that tiny amount is done, I'm way done too
. Even the first two tasty ones alone get me like .