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Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Tweek take good care of yourself. I know what you mean and that is one of the reasons I don't want friends in rl anymore cause I give my whole self and when I get back nothing when I have a problem it is very hurtful. Now I am in protection mode. Hugs see ya soon my friend.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
ditto - if ur ever in the states on the westside, hit me up for sure@Tweek I wish we could vape together right now!
you are good peeps and don't let anyone ('specially yourself) tell you different. i can't tell you how much it helps me just having another hardline empath out there suffering along with me. thanks for all your contributions and know that we are always here for you.
peace and love
bob
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
my friends suck, this guy on the other hand...
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Enchantre
Oil Painter
Also my gift/calling in life. Burden occasionally, too.
MJ has thinned out some of my shielding, but also helps me handle the onslaught better, with better detachment.
ShipDit
1%
Tweek I've always thought you were an immoral asshole and I hope you rot in Hell!As part of my commitment and promise to myself to become a better person, I apologize to anyone on this forum whose feelings I may have hurt. I am not a mean person, and I never intend to hurt feelings...I suppose not many people do, just the truly evil ones, of which I believe are few...but I struggle with alot, and I am what some might call in a more dramatic term "tormented". Anyways, it just means I have alot of shit to sort out.
I may not be around much, or I may be around too often...I don't know. But if I don't say hello for awhile, I haven't forgotten you and do not take my silence or absence as a sign that I don't care, because I do. I always care. About everyone. Even those who others refuse to care for. I have too much empathy. Too much sympathy, and the cost of that is a mind that never rests, always anxious, always tears ready to flow at the suffering of others.
Sorry for the novella. But a guys gotta spill the beans once in awhile old chaps (and ladies). Toodle Doo
Hehehee...come on buddy,you know you're among friends here,and anyone who gets offended by your stuff has no sense of humor and needs to lighten up. You've been cool to me from the first day I showed up here and ya still make me laugh! So if some dink has a problem with your posts...fuck 'em,it's their loss!
There have been more than a few times you've helped me out,either by making me laugh or giving me good advice. You've also given me a shoulder to lean on when I needed it,thanks man,I don't forget stuff like that. So if you're having issues of ANY kind,please get in touch with me. I don't give a shit what your problems are,I'm here for ya. Sometimes it helps just to chat with a fellow fuck-up,you've reached out to me when I was hurtin',so allow me to return the favor.
Get your head straight,kick the shit out of whatever demons are bugging you and give the finger to the rest of the world. Except for your friends in FC,give us two fingers then moon us.
But whatever happens please don't change. I like the twisted pervert that welcomed me to FC. We've had some good times here bro,please don't bring that to an end. If you're hurting or just in a fucked up place in life,just let me know and I'll throw ya a life line as well as giving you someone to talk to that WILL NEVER JUDGE YOU! I don't care what's going on in your life,I just care that a friend of mine needs a little help. You helped me a couple times so allow me to return the favor.
Gee,was that a kiss-ass post or what? Heheehee...I meant every damn word of it! (Except for that "rot in Hell" part,I only kind of meant that). But if for some reason you do end up rotting in Hell save me a spot by the fire.
satyrday
Well-Known Member
Tweek, I know your issues and torments run much deeper than what's posted in this thread, but since I posted it, I will use Dante's Inferno as an example of why we should be careful judging ourselves too harshly using the yardstick of moral absolutism. Also, I'm examining my own actions to see if they played any part in your upset. So at the risk of being completely off base, I will attempt to explain myself better and at least hopefully clear the air between you and I. Whether I need to or not, I feel I should do it.
You grew up in the Catholic Church, so I imagine you were indoctrinated with all kinds of similar thoughts, rules, and fear-based concepts as Dante lays out in his Divine Comedy, which I'm only familiar with in the abstract as it's been loosely assimilated into our culture.
There is of course much to fear from our own actions, but simple moral categorizations like Dante's Inferno, if taken beyond pure allegory and metaphor, can be damaging to the spirit. Same with many religious teachings. I don't know if it was Dante's intention, but this allegory he created ... in order to figuratively punish his political and social enemies ... has been taken as gospel by many, and has become the underpinning of many of our cultural conceptions of hell. But the workings of karma and punishment are fluid and organic, not rigidly organized like this conceptual drawing of hell with simple circles and "dos and do nots". The rational mind clings to such easy categorizations and mental maps, but it is illusion.
For example, "Sowers of Discord" in the 8th Circle. Sometimes sowing discord is the most beneficial thing a person can do for another. In Psychological counselling there is the term Cognitive Dissonance, which is a positive tool used to create discord in the mind of a patient with rigid and unhealthy beliefs that need uprooting. It is a way to drive a wedge between some of those tightly mortared beliefs, and chip away at the unsound structures of the mind that need to fall. The most righteous debater on the side of the most righteous cause will sow discord in the minds of the audience in order to win his point and destroy the strength of his opponent's argument. There are many examples of this that certainly shouldn't condemn anyone to "hell".
Also, Circle 2: Lustfulness. Without underlying sexual chemistry and attraction, many people would not be motivated to share life and love together and possibly procreate, thereby creating even more opportunities for love. Isolation would increase, and with it greed and gluttony for oneself alone. And what is lustful or incontinent for one man, may be a relative form of abstinence for another. One man may seek gratification only 3 days a week, but for him even at that level it is wasting too much of his precious energy still. Another may do that three times a day and still be insane with overflowing sexual energy that needs release (giant balls?).
There is no way to slap an easy judgment on another person with any of these moral themes. Is Edward Snowden a traitor who deserves the lowest circle of hell? Obviously the workings of karma are much more subtle, and I believe perfectly fair or else the universe would have no equilibrium, which I think it ultimately achieves. Dante or any of the religious pedagogues are just creating broad models of behavior and punishment - that maybe needed for teaching the masses, but ill-fitting for anyone who does their own moral reasoning and develops their own conscience. There is no real Dante's inferno, but there is a sort of reality in dreams and on the hard earth. And like you said in reference to car crash victims, that is hell enough. And heaven enough here too! I believe even greater realities exist, but we go with what we know.
I thought the Seinfeld episode was too much promoting man's giving in to easy gratification, but that's not to say there is an easy formula for abstinence to replace that show's lax one for incontinence. And it's a comedy after all! But one that was very influential, so I give my opinion and sow a little discord with the opposing argument. I loved the episode, but I like to play the devil's advocate when I feel there's a point to be made. And I think it's important for people to maintain a balance between sexual looseness and strictness. That is not a judgment on anyone else's balance because I don't know particular situations or really care, but only a judgment on a culturally significant television episode that I think can lead to too much of a feeling of ennui if followed to its somewhat nihilistic conclusion (and we all know how fucked nihilists can be from The Big Lebowski - another culturally significant comedy that's become more than just laughs).
I am not saying anyone in this thread treats Seinfeld so seriously, but I remember laughing at it, yet also having this same reaction when I saw it first in the 90s ... that it was a little too much in the camp of giving into meaningless pleasure. How many wives suffer from their husbands giving into easy pleasure? And how many men suffer from the listless consequences of over-gratification too? Yeah, that may be taking a sitcom too seriously, but television has become our teacher in many ways unconsciously.
So, how can we use simple rules to judge ourselves good or bad? We usually can't of course. And much torment is caused attempting to do so. So we each have to know ourselves and set internally consistent and beneficial rules that we make the center of our personal self-discipline, and then go out and make whatever positive difference we can in the world ... not burning too much energy on self-reproach except when it's needed to create a better system for ourselves and the greater society we serve.
Please don't be too hard on yourself! And don't let your torment ever be in vain, because that energy can be used to make your life more joyful. Too many cultural heroes have made a virtue out of torment. It's decrease and replacement with joy in ourselves and in our loved ones the true measure of our accomplishments, I believe. I hate the glorification of torment and pain, and it is prevalent in religion and many forms of art and literature.
I focused on Dante here only because it's been my theme today, but I'm sorry for all those people still shackled by ill-fitting religions that were designed with other generations and/or situations in mind, or designed for people who can't think for themselves. There are eternal truths found in the great religions, but also a good deal of endlessly complicated or overly simplified rules and regulations, that if force-fit only causes greater torment, misery, and true discord in this world.
OK. I got too serious, but sometimes I'm afraid my posts may hurt people too, so I clarify even at the risk of over-explaining and coming across patronizing and pedantic. Hopefully doesn't matter and I'll be excused... this thread is good because it tolerates all sorts of self-expression from the silly to the serious. And Tweek may be scratching his head wondering why he was the focus of this .. cause it's late at night and now I'm busy with self-reproach and some possibly crackpot empathizing!
Great... I'm following Ship who is about the polar opposite of me here taking too much too seriously.
You grew up in the Catholic Church, so I imagine you were indoctrinated with all kinds of similar thoughts, rules, and fear-based concepts as Dante lays out in his Divine Comedy, which I'm only familiar with in the abstract as it's been loosely assimilated into our culture.
There is of course much to fear from our own actions, but simple moral categorizations like Dante's Inferno, if taken beyond pure allegory and metaphor, can be damaging to the spirit. Same with many religious teachings. I don't know if it was Dante's intention, but this allegory he created ... in order to figuratively punish his political and social enemies ... has been taken as gospel by many, and has become the underpinning of many of our cultural conceptions of hell. But the workings of karma and punishment are fluid and organic, not rigidly organized like this conceptual drawing of hell with simple circles and "dos and do nots". The rational mind clings to such easy categorizations and mental maps, but it is illusion.
For example, "Sowers of Discord" in the 8th Circle. Sometimes sowing discord is the most beneficial thing a person can do for another. In Psychological counselling there is the term Cognitive Dissonance, which is a positive tool used to create discord in the mind of a patient with rigid and unhealthy beliefs that need uprooting. It is a way to drive a wedge between some of those tightly mortared beliefs, and chip away at the unsound structures of the mind that need to fall. The most righteous debater on the side of the most righteous cause will sow discord in the minds of the audience in order to win his point and destroy the strength of his opponent's argument. There are many examples of this that certainly shouldn't condemn anyone to "hell".
Also, Circle 2: Lustfulness. Without underlying sexual chemistry and attraction, many people would not be motivated to share life and love together and possibly procreate, thereby creating even more opportunities for love. Isolation would increase, and with it greed and gluttony for oneself alone. And what is lustful or incontinent for one man, may be a relative form of abstinence for another. One man may seek gratification only 3 days a week, but for him even at that level it is wasting too much of his precious energy still. Another may do that three times a day and still be insane with overflowing sexual energy that needs release (giant balls?).
There is no way to slap an easy judgment on another person with any of these moral themes. Is Edward Snowden a traitor who deserves the lowest circle of hell? Obviously the workings of karma are much more subtle, and I believe perfectly fair or else the universe would have no equilibrium, which I think it ultimately achieves. Dante or any of the religious pedagogues are just creating broad models of behavior and punishment - that maybe needed for teaching the masses, but ill-fitting for anyone who does their own moral reasoning and develops their own conscience. There is no real Dante's inferno, but there is a sort of reality in dreams and on the hard earth. And like you said in reference to car crash victims, that is hell enough. And heaven enough here too! I believe even greater realities exist, but we go with what we know.
I thought the Seinfeld episode was too much promoting man's giving in to easy gratification, but that's not to say there is an easy formula for abstinence to replace that show's lax one for incontinence. And it's a comedy after all! But one that was very influential, so I give my opinion and sow a little discord with the opposing argument. I loved the episode, but I like to play the devil's advocate when I feel there's a point to be made. And I think it's important for people to maintain a balance between sexual looseness and strictness. That is not a judgment on anyone else's balance because I don't know particular situations or really care, but only a judgment on a culturally significant television episode that I think can lead to too much of a feeling of ennui if followed to its somewhat nihilistic conclusion (and we all know how fucked nihilists can be from The Big Lebowski - another culturally significant comedy that's become more than just laughs).
I am not saying anyone in this thread treats Seinfeld so seriously, but I remember laughing at it, yet also having this same reaction when I saw it first in the 90s ... that it was a little too much in the camp of giving into meaningless pleasure. How many wives suffer from their husbands giving into easy pleasure? And how many men suffer from the listless consequences of over-gratification too? Yeah, that may be taking a sitcom too seriously, but television has become our teacher in many ways unconsciously.
So, how can we use simple rules to judge ourselves good or bad? We usually can't of course. And much torment is caused attempting to do so. So we each have to know ourselves and set internally consistent and beneficial rules that we make the center of our personal self-discipline, and then go out and make whatever positive difference we can in the world ... not burning too much energy on self-reproach except when it's needed to create a better system for ourselves and the greater society we serve.
Please don't be too hard on yourself! And don't let your torment ever be in vain, because that energy can be used to make your life more joyful. Too many cultural heroes have made a virtue out of torment. It's decrease and replacement with joy in ourselves and in our loved ones the true measure of our accomplishments, I believe. I hate the glorification of torment and pain, and it is prevalent in religion and many forms of art and literature.
I focused on Dante here only because it's been my theme today, but I'm sorry for all those people still shackled by ill-fitting religions that were designed with other generations and/or situations in mind, or designed for people who can't think for themselves. There are eternal truths found in the great religions, but also a good deal of endlessly complicated or overly simplified rules and regulations, that if force-fit only causes greater torment, misery, and true discord in this world.
OK. I got too serious, but sometimes I'm afraid my posts may hurt people too, so I clarify even at the risk of over-explaining and coming across patronizing and pedantic. Hopefully doesn't matter and I'll be excused... this thread is good because it tolerates all sorts of self-expression from the silly to the serious. And Tweek may be scratching his head wondering why he was the focus of this .. cause it's late at night and now I'm busy with self-reproach and some possibly crackpot empathizing!
Great... I'm following Ship who is about the polar opposite of me here taking too much too seriously.
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t-dub
Vapor Sloth
As a recovering catholic I can relate to being fed up with organized religion and dogma. I mean people all over the world are killing each other in the name of "god" every day and seem to be obsessed with telling other people how to think and live. I really feel there is an incredible, creative force behind reality, so I'm spiritual, but I doubt any church or religion, has much to do with it or even begins to understand it . . .
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
ail hail cthuloops!
the fruit flavors are too horrifying for the human mind to contemplate!
the fruit flavors are too horrifying for the human mind to contemplate!
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
Tweek , hope you find yourself in higher spirits soon . I know reading your posts here on FC have helped lift me outta a funk more then once and Even improved my vaping experience quite a bit (imagine that).
I also seem at times to be overly scrupulous which leads to taking the blame for wrongs that often don't exist . I also have another side that's a self- righteous prick who at times will throw others feelings under the bus , I myself don't see anything like that in your posts . We miss you when your not around . As corny as it may sound I'm sending thoughts of Peace your way . Feel better Brother .
I also seem at times to be overly scrupulous which leads to taking the blame for wrongs that often don't exist . I also have another side that's a self- righteous prick who at times will throw others feelings under the bus , I myself don't see anything like that in your posts . We miss you when your not around . As corny as it may sound I'm sending thoughts of Peace your way . Feel better Brother .
Belgianvapor
Well-Known Member
Happy belated 5th FC birthday Vicki!
Your ever ready bullwhip inspires this gift - let's all enjoy a slice or two (right on the backside):
now that we are handing out cakes, if we don't have enough for everybody, I have some more cake
ShipDit
1%
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
dude's intestines brew beer
http://geekologie.com/2013/09/jealous-man-with-rare-infection-brews-be.php
http://geekologie.com/2013/09/jealous-man-with-rare-infection-brews-be.php
satyrday
Well-Known Member
ail hail cthuloops!
the fruit flavors are too horrifying for the human mind to contemplate!
Now that cracked me up
satyrday
Well-Known Member
All I can say is HUH..............saturday thanks for the headache and I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I can't comprehend such stuff at all not even one sentence
Old Dante a bit of a prick - not to be taken too seriously. His inferno part of a comedy he wrote. Other comedies too have great impact. Not always good impact maybe?
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
stolen from colbert report. i screen shot and clipped it. his quote, too.Now that cracked me up
the one b4 it was for Fiberatu (a roughage of horror), but the cthuloops won me over.
comedy is the salvation of humanity, imo
satyrday
Well-Known Member
Good selection!
Good point. But as in the case of the Divine Comedy, and others, they can be misconstrued and become a sort of absolute truth out of context. I mentioned Dante's Inferno to someone the other day and he thought it was from the Bible!
grokit
well-worn member
That's what I always say when I skip an election, that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Might as well ramp that evil up a notch and make a real impact!
Tweek - We get it...REALLY!!! That's why we all meet here...we are tormented in ways that are special and common. My torment runs deep (emotional/psychological) and is majorly self imposed. Always has been, always will be. That's my life-long condition. Born to die with it. So be it. My friends on this thread help make life bearable. My friend of almost 50 years doesn't get me near as well as all of you goddam muther fuckers! I think the deep-seated sympathy/empathy that you feel so painfully so much of the time is an attribute that most, if not all, of us share on this thread. It's in our DNA...a blessing and a curse at once.As part of my commitment and promise to myself to become a better person, I apologize to anyone on this forum whose feelings I may have hurt. I am not a mean person, and I never intend to hurt feelings...I suppose not many people do, just the truly evil ones, of which I believe are few...but I struggle with alot, and I am what some might call in a more dramatic term "tormented". Anyways, it just means I have alot of shit to sort out.
I may not be around much, or I may be around too often...I don't know. But if I don't say hello for awhile, I haven't forgotten you and do not take my silence or absence as a sign that I don't care, because I do. I always care. About everyone. Even those who others refuse to care for. I have too much empathy. Too much sympathy, and the cost of that is a mind that never rests, always anxious, always tears ready to flow at the suffering of others.
Sorry for the novella. But a guys gotta spill the beans once in awhile old chaps (and ladies). Toodle Doo
I'm grateful!
...and obviously very conflicted
. So anyway, Tweek...don't even think of disappearing - WE'LL TRACK YOU DOWN
and make you eat
for it! Cheers pal! Be well!