I think I'm done with oils/waxes/shatter etc.
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Jared
Cannabis Enthusiast
Think I'm calling it quits on BHO. At least for a long while. I started smoking cannabis to help with anxiety and just recently started messing around with BHO. After just a few weeks of very light dabbing I noticed my anxiety getting worse and eventually it was worse than before I started smoking cannabis. Completely stopped all use of everything for a day and switched back to flowers. Guess BHO just isn't for me.
Hexi
Well-Known Member
what was the source of BHO? The more "sativa" a strain is, the more likely it can get your 'head racing' ... i.e. anxiety, hypertension etc...
Outlaw Farmer
Stealth Mode Engaged
I don't come across to many HO aficionados. Cool man. PLENTY of flower judges, we've all been refining all that quality for decades. But oil seems kinda new. When did this stuff take off anyway? I hate to admit it but to a lot of ppl it's a down and dirty way to get an intense quick high or squeeze some cash out of some sub par plants. Taste & aroma are not a concern to most dabbers imo. Last couple years I hear a lot about buzz levels, coughing, special rigs, yields, dangers, and image concerns.
I hate to admit but my first few batches didn't purge well and our first pipe was galv not SS so we nearly caused some self-inflicted grief there. I know, stupid, but learn from me plz, using galv pipe WILL HURT YOU. Flowers and vaping seem to have had a lot more R&D to date.
Oils may become more popular with the mainstream use of safer chems (like N-butane or whatever) and laboratory grade purge and testing (like a gas chromatographic anaylisis or whatever the kids are using these days)
I imagine I'll make some uber batches (looks at 12cans of tayne) go nuts, try to over do it, and then shelf it for awhie. Tis how I do everything else.
That said I do prefer flowers at this time, mostly due to unknowns with chem extrcts, I am seriously under-educated on the subject.
Caligula
Maximus
This seems like a legitimate solution for the whole solvent issue:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/hyperbaric-extraction.10870/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/hyperbaric-extraction.10870/
Outlaw Farmer
Stealth Mode Engaged
^Oh yeah, there's a few ways to safen things up. But for the DIYer, not much outside of garage remedy vacuum purges (I like the mason jar brake hand-vacuum setup)
Idk, how small of a chamber do they sell now I wonder? I haven't seen one? You? If it was "affordable" I could see it taking off. Pressure and cold steals no fear into my heart.
Idk, how small of a chamber do they sell now I wonder? I haven't seen one? You? If it was "affordable" I could see it taking off. Pressure and cold steals no fear into my heart.
Caligula
Maximus
Can't say I've ever seen a setup.
I see your point. Cheapest I can find is ~4K... or you can rent one for $900/mo.
I see your point. Cheapest I can find is ~4K... or you can rent one for $900/mo.
Outlaw Farmer
Stealth Mode Engaged
^We'll go with your numbers. Industrial sites don't have prices, scary. And human portables range from 4K to 119K.
EDIT: actually $4995.00+
EDIT: actually $4995.00+
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Caligula
Maximus
asimplebeast
Well-Known Member
My favourite "what me worry?" analogy for "mystery oil" and residual chems in BHO is the air quality in any major city. Better mask up if you're that worried about it.
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Space Case
Member
I only use concentrates for pens - discrete and on the go. Flowers have a much fuller effect but they make you stink. Can't understand people who only hit dabs but maybe because I haven't tried the high end nectars. Also the rigs are too expensive. I am getting stoned - I don't need expensive glass to protect at that time 
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could be adulterants. could be too big a dab too. got a free dab from a dispensary of their low end wax. It was so huge it got me spinning for 2 hours with the exact same effect as a strong edible. what you are describing is how edibles hit me
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could be adulterants. could be too big a dab too. got a free dab from a dispensary of their low end wax. It was so huge it got me spinning for 2 hours with the exact same effect as a strong edible. what you are describing is how edibles hit me
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AdmiralAlpacha
Well-Known Member
In my experience strain sensitivity is amplified with dabs. A strain that will normally bother my anxiety will really mess me up if I dab it. But as long as I make my extracts out of strains that generally agree with me I have no problems. Dabbing has pretty much replaced all of my daytime and social use. I still use flowers at night though.
Id make sure that oils you're using are made with strains that compliment your personal needs
TommydCat
Well-Known Member
Not wanting to pick on you, but I do find this mindset a bit troubling.
For patients with diminished immune capacities (and people generally concerned with living healthy), it is all about risk mitigation. While, in your example, I may find that I personally do not need to wear a mask (the cloth ones do next to nothing are actually provided to protect others from the person wearing it, lol, and ultimately the best decision would be to move somewhere healthier), that decision is not analogous to the many others I make daily.
I understand your point, but in joking about it you are trivializing real concerns of others.
I'm not slapping your hand, as your comment was made from your context and is perfectly rationalized - I just want to help people keep an open mind as this Medicine truly does help people immensely while at the same time we need to keep the standards of quality and consistency/reliability quite high precisely for those with compromised health concerns.
Have a great weekend!
Space Case
Member
its the wild fucking west out there
the cough I get from concentrates is entirely different from flowers. something else is going on
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Either the purge isn't complete, the high THC content is causing you to cough (which is what THC likes to do), or residuals that don't vape away (they coat the nail black)... maybe a combo of the three?
Space Case
Member
I think all three. And it is kind of dry as opposed to flowers which seems to activate some mucus. I have had some really contaminated wax that was not consumable. I have no idea what just a little unpurged would actually be. Can't wait to get some actual quality control over this shit. I am hoping it is just different from and not more dangerous than smoking flower.
asimplebeast
Well-Known Member
Not wanting to pick on you, but I do find this mindset a bit troubling.
For patients with diminished immune capacities (and people generally concerned with living healthy), it is all about risk mitigation. While, in your example, I may find that I personally do not need to wear a mask (the cloth ones do next to nothing are actually provided to protect others from the person wearing it, lol, and ultimately the best decision would be to move somewhere healthier), that decision is not analogous to the many others I make daily.
I understand your point, but in joking about it you are trivializing real concerns of others.
I'm not slapping your hand, as your comment was made from your context and is perfectly rationalized - I just want to help people keep an open mind as this Medicine truly does help people immensely while at the same time we need to keep the standards of quality and consistency/reliability quite high precisely for those with compromised health concerns.
Have a great weekend!
Man forget the paper masks, I was talking full gas mask!
http://ens-newswire.com/2013/10/17/outdoor-air-pollution-declared-a-human-carcinogen/
"around 2.1 million deaths are caused each year by human-caused increases in fine particulate matter (PM2.5) ? tiny particles suspended in the air that can penetrate deep into the lungs, causing cancer and other respiratory disease."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130712084455.htm
I agree with you, I'm just trying to put the risks into perspective
TommydCat
Well-Known Member
I saw some daytime pictures of downtown St. Louis (grew up in the area) as recently as the early 1930's (quick Google hit) and gotta wonder how much of that has been involved rather than the usual suspects of better food preparation, refrigeration, inspection and the medical industry helping extend the average lifespan.
We might have it "better" than our parents and theirs, but we really need to get our act together with regards to our own habitat. "Don't shit where you live" comes to mind...
I'm locking in my hyperbaric chamber to hotbox it with pure pure vapor and see what develops over the weekend...
Edit: after looking at the pic I searched for as a quick example of others I've seen - those neon signs really stand out! I worked very briefly in that field yet was annoyed by how you couldn't really control the brightness, but see why they were so much popular back in that era -- you needed them just to see anything through the murky air? Yeouch, but perhaps explains much to myself...
We might have it "better" than our parents and theirs, but we really need to get our act together with regards to our own habitat. "Don't shit where you live" comes to mind...
I'm locking in my hyperbaric chamber to hotbox it with pure pure vapor and see what develops over the weekend...
Edit: after looking at the pic I searched for as a quick example of others I've seen - those neon signs really stand out! I worked very briefly in that field yet was annoyed by how you couldn't really control the brightness, but see why they were so much popular back in that era -- you needed them just to see anything through the murky air? Yeouch, but perhaps explains much to myself...
I think all three. And it is kind of dry as opposed to flowers which seems to activate some mucus. I have had some really contaminated wax that was not consumable. I have no idea what just a little unpurged would actually be. Can't wait to get some actual quality control over this shit. I am hoping it is just different from and not more dangerous than smoking flower.
The dryness comes from the nails heat. I am very specific about which pieces I use for nails. I also choose smaller dabs that don't make me cough as much. Try glass with a bit more diffusion, the taste is so intense that it shouldn't be affected.
Or - use a pen.
Space Case
Member
I like your train of thought but I only use pens. I don't use wax that much and want to keep it that way anyway. I have no idea what is really in this shit
If your using a pen that's a good start, if you want feel free to PM me and we'll see if we could figure this out. Your pen might even have residue on the coils - I've had this happen and it destroyed to flavor of my EO.
Anytime you wannna chat about concentrates and oils I'm down. PM me SC...
Anytime you wannna chat about concentrates and oils I'm down. PM me SC...
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I love Concentrates!
However they must be well purged.
BHO, ISO whatever needs proper purge.
If you don't like the source make yourself!
BHO well purged is fine!
I agree with you!
There is some short cuts taken and it can be a mystery.
LAB tested is best however costly.
My quality grams were costing me $90!
Now when you make your own medicine you can fine select what you use.
For example:
Tight Trim Sugar Leaf and small popcorn nuggets = One level of Quality = Go no lower than this!
Fan Leafs, General Trim = Another Level = BAD!
PURGED? HOW?
TRIPLE PURGED is my liking!
Imagine making your Concentrate from COLAS?
This is Garden of Eden Stuff!
Control your MEDS!
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notmyrealUSERname
Notmy Well-Known Member
What is that setup? Is it a homemade tasmisium?
Please explain what going on in your first pic
Please explain what going on in your first pic