Arizer Solo

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
Sure, I can probably do that, but first someone will have to tell me what AIO is.....

The basic piece, the regulator, is the same electrically in both cases. It reduces the 12 VDC that would ordinarily charge the Solo down to the working range for PA mode. Start with 12 Volts from somewhere (the included power supply for home, or car cord for auto/RV/boat use) and plug that into the Solo and you're charging. You need to use the adapter Pipes supplies for that, or Tim supplies a cable like the one on the Solo charger that serves the same function (changes the connector size to fit). If you stick the Pipes PA between those two (supply and adapter), you get PA instead of charging since the voltage got changed in the PA.

The differences (aside from physical construction of the PA circuit) are mostly in what's included. Tim provides a power splitter which you can add to the system to give you two cords, one which charges, one for PA. This means you can charge one Solo while running your other one (a feature some might like). It also means once installed no real changes are needed to switch modes, just pick the cable that provides that function. He also includes a set of extender cables so you can put stuff on the floor under the desk and stuff like that. Same for the car cord version. A more flexible and for some useful system. That's his 'full system' at the bottom. DTS also packages that in subsets for those looking for less (and less money). He tried to make, for instance, a car charger (only) version so guys who don't want to PA ever but want to charge in the car (or have a backup in case their factory charger dies....) have a place to go. Likewise, the guy with a blown factory charger. These of course could be upgraded later with a PA regulator, splitter, more cables, whatever.

Cera fans will no doubt recognize this conundrum?

Different packaging on the basic regulator block as well as packaging the system differently (with more options laid out). And Pipes is on one side of the border (the cheaper for Canadians) and Tim has the shipping cost advantage here 'stateside' I think?

Both offerings deliver the service cheaper than the Arizer versions (I think?) and both offer PA mode in the auto/RV/boat configuration, one of the four basic modes Arizer doesn't cover.

Lots of choices in the market, love it! Still don't know what AIO is?

OF
I've had to scratch my head when some have reported that their Solo becomes a beast when using a PA. Is there any boost in function with a PA vs battery? Should the Solo reach desired temps quicker with one vs the other? Is there some trickle charge effect to the battery when using a PA?

I'm really loving my "Solow-Mio" power system from Tim. Super easy, super handy! Car charger/heater PA is a dream!
 
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Angus Thermopyle

miner of truth & delusion
I posted that the first hit was fatter after the entire solo warmed up. I like to put stem/gong in late in the preheat phase to try and preserve a bit more flavor (less cooked maybe?) Having the entire body of the SOLO hot leads to less of a temp drop when the loaded stem is inserted and quickly hit. That's the theory anyway.
 

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
I posted that the first hit was fatter after the entire solo warmed up. I like to put stem/gong in late in the preheat phase to try and preserve a bit more flavor (less cooked maybe?) Having the entire body of the SOLO hot leads to less of a temp drop when the loaded stem is inserted and quickly hit. That's the theory anyway.
I think the heater bowl is much too insulated to be affected by the body temp. JMO
 

samirfuzzywuzzy

Well-Known Member
I've had to scratch my head when some have reported that their Solo becomes a beast when using a PA. Is there any boost in function with a PA vs battery? Should the Solo reach desired temps quicker with one vs the other? Is there some trickle charge effect to the battery when using a PA?

I'm really loving my "Solow-Mio" power system from Tim. Super easy, super handy! Car charger/heater is a dream!

I get to level 2 more than 30 seconds faster with "OF" PA.

It think the consistency is better with PA. It give you even power rather then a battery that usually takes a load from the heater and has to "bounce" back to take a another heavy load from the heater.
 

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
People I hate to throw this this in the mix but depending on which model you have of solo not serial numbers it will work differently I am finding. The 102 well out performs my new 1a3 on any of the PA's including the stock one. The 102 also does get really hot running it back to back forever as I did yesterday during testing and next round today. I am not positive the 102 uses battery at all on the PA. With the newer model which I believe is anything labeled 107 serials and up it does use the battery but to what extent who knows. I know I lose about a light a day on my stock PA but I do vape more then most. I unfortunately don't' have the jameco to try but do have tim's, pipes and stock and the results are very interesting to me. I am not done testing yet so haven't compiled the result but will post the compiled version when finished as the chart would be to big I think. I have done the tests while using the solo and am running them now with no usage back to back sessions.

Now I will bid you a fair ado as I go run my four hours of testing on this round....

Oh before I go to me wire length is very important so if that matters and depending where your wire can get caught up one might be better then the other. My wired get caught up on the wood that holds my mattress...some PA's are worse then others and I have to place them different so they don't. I have pulled the connections out on all three of them till I found the right spot. All of the wires were on my bed yesterday and one got disconnected just from my dog running over it. You have to know what situation you are going to use it in to know what works for you or you may not have as many issues with stuff as I do but that is just how my life goes. I am that 1% that all the strange stuff happens to. In no way did I think that plug would undo from the dog running over it. She is only 20 pounds and a mattress does give so there you have it. I kept her away all day and the other lighter dog as well just in case but food won on that one lol.
 

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
The 102 well out performs my new 1a3 on any of the PA's including the stock one.
Excellent info! I look forward to your detailed data report. Can you tell me what specifically do you mean when you say the 102 outperforms when using any of the PA's? What is the diff in performance? Many thanks!
:):peace:
 
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wilsonlab

Member
I'm away for a day and I miss so much glad to see a bunch of new owners here. With how cheap the solo is, this thread is gonna catch up to the MFLB quickly.

the solo thread should get more posts, mflb is all hype. I personally think most of the love for the mflb comes from the younger (18-25) crowd who can't afford anything else and the mflb is the only vaporizer they own/ever used. I thought the mflb was amazing...until my eyes were opened to the solo, pax ploom, and table top units (volcano and da buddha to be specific). To each his own...
 

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
the solo thread should get more posts, mflb is all hype. I personally think most of the love for the mflb comes from the younger (18-25) crowd who can't afford anything else and the mflb is the only vaporizer they own/ever used. I thought the mflb was amazing...until my eyes were opened to the solo, pax ploom, and table top units (volcano and da buddha to be specific). To each his own...
We actually have some very seasoned veterans here who still use their mflb and like it. So yes...absolutely...to each his own!
:tup:
 

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
@ Maine420 of course it is a great one. They just work different on PA's you have what I was calling the new models. The numbers are just serial numbers but there were revisions very early on because there were issues with the 102, chipping ceramic bowl and whatnot and I suppose that it gets fairly hot but I didn't read the specifics of that because I didn't have one but I do now. I find it is a great machine.

@Snappo what I mean is on time....the 102 stays on battery level 7 with my stock PA forever and with my new model it goes down about one level a day so after about a week I have to recharge my battery. I suppose they changed something in the way the solo works with protection circuits and whatnot but this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of my wheelhouse. I am just keeping data.
 
So i got my order from PV today - that was real quick! and best thing is i didn't have to pick it up at customs but got it delivered home straight away without paying any fees, thanks planet vape :)

i got the f-bomb, a 14mm shorty + turbo and a 18mm turbo.

first impressions on the f-bomb:

+ smaller than expected (was the same with the solo for me it looked bigger in the pics)
+ hits nice, splashguard works very good

- hate the logo (knew that of course), only the f-bomb lettering btw, the pv-logo is nice
- i hope i find an easy way to clean it, seems to be a bit annoying to clean which is bad as because of the small volume it requires a lot of cleaning

i'll write more about the f-bomb and stems once i got to know them a bit better and am not as high as right now, i feel like i'm the o in the word now :)
 

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
@Snappo the 102 stays on battery level 7 with my stock PA forever and with my new model it goes down about one level a day so after about a week I have to recharge my battery.

On the M102 the battery is out the the circuit when you run on a straight PA , if your running a PA full time you might as well remove the battery that way the solo body wont retain as much heat on those overtime sessions . Sucks you cant do this with the newer ones.
 

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
the solo thread should get more posts, mflb is all hype. I personally think most of the love for the mflb comes from the younger (18-25) crowd who can't afford anything else and the mflb is the only vaporizer they own/ever used. I thought the mflb was amazing...until my eyes were opened to the solo, pax ploom, and table top units (volcano and da buddha to be specific). To each his own...

If you have criticisms or opinions on the MFLB, take it to the MFLB thread. For the record, I'm 66, I own a Solo, and I still rank the LB ahead of it (and most other vapourizers).
 
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Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
@Samsquanch maybe tweeks brother :shrug:Wow so my suspecions were correct. OF, Tim, Pipes are you listening. Now we know why I am having such differences. Sam do you know if there are more changes in the way it runs cause I find them very different in my layman's usage. I have another interesting thing to tell later when I prove it in a few more rounds. It is something else that makes no sense.

Paka, as much as I love the mflb allllllllllllllllll others most others really are better then the solo?

You need to get back home to vape cause I think that fresh air vaporless is killin' ya.
 

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
The question wasn't were can I get one cause you didn't specify what you wanted. We have been discussing this for weeks and weeks. You have many options unless you just want a stock PA and those where just given to you.
 
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OF

Well-Known Member
straight from the mouth of "OF"

Well, from my keyboard anyway. I've used this version and posted it a time or two, I think Ataxian has had his hooked up to his 'spare Solo' for a long time now? Other members have reported success with it too.

I have an M1A1004424. Is this a good one? I like it!

Yup, that's what I'm using and IMO it's a great one. I like mine too, and have infected a few innocents with it.

On the M102 the battery is out the the circuit when you run on a straight PA , if your running a PA full time you might as well remove the battery that way the solo body wont retain as much heat on those overtime sessions . Sucks you cant do this with the newer ones.

Most interesting, have you actually done this? Have you removed the battery with it running? When I tried that on my m1A it crashes. I assume you need a battery in it to get it to recognize the PA? Mine does.

Up until now I haven't been really concerned about battery usage in PA mode since I also run battery mode sometimes and have a 'dual cable' system like Tim is selling through DTS. It's just routine for me to plug it in for a charge when I get down to lower battery levels. I'm poking around some with this but think for most owners it's not an issue. PA is much improved I think, although it could always be better? I look at it something like sweating the MPG on the car you only use for occasional short trips to the Liquor store in a world of free gasoline (there's a lovely idea....). If you're only tanking up every month or two, improving the fuel economy is not so important?

Where can I purchase one of those PA's??

As others have said, 'it depends' you can get a workable one from Jameco (the two parts above), or the factory unit from PIU or PV (and I assume other places) or the regulator scheme I came up with from Pipes (sorry no link, PM him?) or Tim from his new web site in several versions:
http://dtsvape.com/shop/

OF
 

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
Dreamerr - I stopped following this thread ages ago , this unit has changed so many times since its introduction Im surprise nobody has labeled this thing with a multiple personality disorder. Dont get me wrong , the solo is very good at what it does . I know with the earlier units everything was determined by the volage coming into the unit , now the battery is part of the equation . if you dont have it , it dont work , BS IMO . I just run my solo off a PS2 8.5v brick , no probs (ya I had to change the dc end to one to fit the solo) . Oh ya and no battery
 

GSH

On a Möbius plane
This is the 12v charging supply I believe.


For PA mode you need either of these supplies (7.5v) here :

No, that's one of the solutions I recommended:
https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_206529_-1

Although I've never tried it (so can't recommend it), this one should work as well:
https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1940580_-1

:) :tup:
 

OF

Well-Known Member
Oh ya and no battery

Thanks. So the rumors of 'no real changes except the bowl and heat levels/battery status steps' is so much hooey? Swell.....

Still, 'ya dance with the one you brought to the dance'. PAs, to be useful, have to work with all models, or at least the ones currently sold (and it sounds like if they'll work for m1As they'll do just that, work for all?).

Fun stuff, too bad you have to dig for facts. I also find you're having luck with PS2 supplies when others haven't interesting, perhaps the theory they are not all alike has merit?

Thanks again for the report. Sounds like the m102 had some useful advantage (like working with a dead battery), one has to wonder why they went to a less nifty scheme?

OF
 

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Dreamerr - I stopped following this thread ages ago , this unit has changed so many times since its introduction Im surprise nobody has labeled this thing with a multiple personality disorder. Dont get me wrong , the solo is very good at what it does . I know with the earlier units everything was determined by the volage coming into the unit , now the battery is part of the equation . if you dont have it , it dont work , BS IMO . I just run my solo off a PS2 8.5v brick , no probs (ya I had to change the dc end to one to fit the solo) . Oh ya and no battery

LMFAO on MPD that was brillant. Great info thanks. You know you still use your solo come on :D. So many vapes so little time kind of stuff. I am glad you dropped by to answer that burning question or we may have drove OF crazier.
 
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