Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates
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If it were to happen soon, I could clear a good chunk of my Christmas list, but I really doubt i would/could happen - TV/TET doesn't possess the tools to make new bodies anymore (IIRC it was leased equipment that is now gone).Me to!!! LV with an Ultralite please.
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OF
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True rumor, but those machines are not unique....TV just no longer has the ones they used. Parts would have to be 'made outside' like is almost always the case meaning TV won't have the huge advantage they once had. But I think most anyone could make them if they had a usable design? And the necessary skills, of course.
"Supply and demand". If the demand is great enough, supply will happen.....driven by the profit motive.
Love it. As Kaiser said, "Find a need and fill it".
OF
hoptimum
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I would
Id be more interested in an Ultra or Revolution body with a top to fit Cera...but if the dart surfaced back up, could I pass on the opportunity? Probably not...
toros23
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How about the Cera thread adapter you told us would be coming some day?? Or was that BS?
He doesnt work for TV anymore, so Im assuming if the dart did come back it would be with. His new company DTS...same could happen with an adapter too. And who knows maybe even a latching switch??!?!
Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
Right here!! I would .
Would love to add a new model to my original lineup. Hopefully it's still made in USA and backed up with the same type of customer service we all know and love.
I think the answer is basically everyone. I just sold both my darts in favor of cera thinking i would never go back... But all this talk makes me regret selling both now.
My main reason for selling it was lack of availability. Yes it was more portable than the cera, but it is no longer in production. So if i take it with me somehwere and i break it, lose it, or get it confiscated somewhwere like a concert i would be SOL. Therefore it never got much. Plus, i donthaveto worry about those last two scearios with the cera, cause worst case i have to save up for another one
However if darts resurfaced that would be a whole different story
My main reason for selling it was lack of availability. Yes it was more portable than the cera, but it is no longer in production. So if i take it with me somehwere and i break it, lose it, or get it confiscated somewhwere like a concert i would be SOL. Therefore it never got much. Plus, i donthaveto worry about those last two scearios with the cera, cause worst case i have to save up for another one
However if darts resurfaced that would be a whole different story
I don't think TET is going to bring back the DART unfortunately... 
Tim
Tim
hoptimum
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I don't think TET is going to bring back the DART unfortunately...
Tim
What would it take to make the Revolution viable as a business?
VapoRoor
DAB-a-DAB I'll dooooo
TET might not, but you're TIM!I don't think TET is going to bring back the DART unfortunately...
Tim
Well I know for sure they'd make some extra cash with an adapter for the CEO on the T1/Ultra
I know the CEO requires more battery power (18650) to be running at the optimal temperature but is this really a dead end?
Is there anything to be modified so an 18650 will fit the T1? I don't own any 18650s yet, but I think they're longer and the diameter is bigger as well than the 17670s the T1 uses for Low Voltage
I know I'll always keep both DARTS or just one around, just because it was the first device to really open my eyes about the oil vaping industry and it was the first product I bought that was made with supreme quality. Everyone who saw it was immediately loaded with questions and as soon as MADE IN USA was seen, they're eyes
and they started 
DART will always have a place in my lineup
)
VapoRoor
DAB-a-DAB I'll dooooo
Man is this "white ceramic wafer" fragile!
I had been so used to Messing with the Messy Black Gunked (Boy, do I dislike that word) up ceramic, my cleaned ceramic was VERY fragile and I accidentally center punched the poor bastard.
Which led me to the Glorious heating element in the DART.
Immediately, I thought of the dabbler and ran off to get some water boiling to wash out the ceramic "dust" that might have accumulated due to a broken ceramic wafer. Baked for 20 minutes. Loaded her up with BHO and got THICK vapor. but only 3 big hits. then it tapered off. I'd say around .13 or so was loaded.
Tried another load, at .17 and 4 big hits. (Taste was off)
I decided it was worth ONE more test. This time, the quality test, as the efficiency was there. Medicated FULLY. I originally thought maybe the heating element burns so hot the taste is just off because of so much heat. I loaded .23 of High grade Co2 Wax and achieved 5 coughing Hits (could've been more but I'll explain)
Now I for sure know the taste of this wax, My new dart core has seen .5 of it. It was NOT the taste I know. So if you don't mind losing some flavor, I'd say try it if your dart is already broken like mine.
In no way am I saying Break your dart.
Those 3 test dabs would've gotten me around 17 hits total if the core was still intact. So yes I did lose some hits in there but now we know the results. All in the name of Science.
I had been so used to Messing with the Messy Black Gunked (Boy, do I dislike that word) up ceramic, my cleaned ceramic was VERY fragile and I accidentally center punched the poor bastard.
Which led me to the Glorious heating element in the DART.
Immediately, I thought of the dabbler and ran off to get some water boiling to wash out the ceramic "dust" that might have accumulated due to a broken ceramic wafer. Baked for 20 minutes. Loaded her up with BHO and got THICK vapor. but only 3 big hits. then it tapered off. I'd say around .13 or so was loaded.
Tried another load, at .17 and 4 big hits. (Taste was off)
I decided it was worth ONE more test. This time, the quality test, as the efficiency was there. Medicated FULLY. I originally thought maybe the heating element burns so hot the taste is just off because of so much heat. I loaded .23 of High grade Co2 Wax and achieved 5 coughing Hits (could've been more but I'll explain)
Now I for sure know the taste of this wax, My new dart core has seen .5 of it. It was NOT the taste I know. So if you don't mind losing some flavor, I'd say try it if your dart is already broken like mine.
In no way am I saying Break your dart.
Those 3 test dabs would've gotten me around 17 hits total if the core was still intact. So yes I did lose some hits in there but now we know the results. All in the name of Science.
Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
Sorry to hear about your broken Dart. Just to clarify for me, this had nothing to do with your new cleaning technique posted a page back, did it?
VapoRoor
DAB-a-DAB I'll dooooo
I know it is advised to not scrape your ceramic a lot. This is where I failed. I was intentionaly loosening the residue on the ceramic with a skewer Quite a bit in between boiling. I used a skewer on the center as well, only two times while cleaning. That was where a majority of the leftover material was.
I was super cautious when scraping the center and really went balls out scraping the sides.
The Sides are perfectly intact and the main heat from the heating element is RIGHT under the middle of the ceramic.
Since the cleaning method worked so well and had loosened most of that residue, once the heat engaged the residue in the center, either dissappeared through vaporization or was just set free from the ceramic holding it in place and is now underneath the ceramic floor plate?
After all that epicness, I gave the outsides a smidgen of tough love with a skewer and went to see how the middle had cleared up so well. Me being the curious cat, I tested the sturdiness of the now white part of the ceramic (outisdes are still black and residue is still on them, keep in mind I had not done a 20/20/20 burn) and it held up well, So I went a little further with my "density test?" and a piece of it chipped. I tapped it out holding dart upside down then did another try and at that point I knew I pressed too hard and another piece chipped. So I just kept intentionally chippin' until I saw the Core. As I had always wondered what it looked like.
Had I just done a 20/20/20 burn The core would be almost like new and intact. Sure am Glad I have a spare now. So no, This ceramic cracking was MY fault and I still advise to be as careful as possible When using skewers or anything.
I was super cautious when scraping the center and really went balls out scraping the sides.
The Sides are perfectly intact and the main heat from the heating element is RIGHT under the middle of the ceramic.
Since the cleaning method worked so well and had loosened most of that residue, once the heat engaged the residue in the center, either dissappeared through vaporization or was just set free from the ceramic holding it in place and is now underneath the ceramic floor plate?
After all that epicness, I gave the outsides a smidgen of tough love with a skewer and went to see how the middle had cleared up so well. Me being the curious cat, I tested the sturdiness of the now white part of the ceramic (outisdes are still black and residue is still on them, keep in mind I had not done a 20/20/20 burn) and it held up well, So I went a little further with my "density test?" and a piece of it chipped. I tapped it out holding dart upside down then did another try and at that point I knew I pressed too hard and another piece chipped. So I just kept intentionally chippin' until I saw the Core. As I had always wondered what it looked like.
Had I just done a 20/20/20 burn The core would be almost like new and intact. Sure am Glad I have a spare now. So no, This ceramic cracking was MY fault and I still advise to be as careful as possible When using skewers or anything.
VapoRoor
DAB-a-DAB I'll dooooo
I thought I understood this method when I first read it, but I used to take the switch out and place the o-ring all the way down on the switch then put it in, and screw the cart back on. Not the way. This helped me realize the function and I don't have a switch problem now. Thank you OF and Thank you vapehead.com for resurfacing this to my attention
OF
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Bummer. Unfortunately you're not the first guy to discover first hand how frail the porous ceramic is (the walls are very thin....). And, no doubt, you won't be the last. That, of course, is the source and motive behind the warnings. I take hat in hand and contact TV, I think it's better than even they'll cover it....and if not they'll put it right for fifteen bucks.
The taste shift makes perfect sense to me. When properly loaded the heater and reflector rod are dry. Moisture is hopefully present on the inner surfaces of the core, but unlike other similar vapes TV does not use a form material that absorbs oil. The ceramic rod is a reflector, it actually runs much hotter than vaping temperature and 'burns clean'. Poking a hole in the cover exposes the raw metal. I think that's where it burning the oil? It should be possible to get very good to excellent taste with DART.
I thought I understood this method when I first read it, but I used to take the switch out and place the o-ring all the way down on the switch then put it in, and screw the cart back on. Not the way. This helped me realize the function and I don't have a switch problem now. Thank you OF and Thank you vapehead.com for resurfacing this to my attention
You're welcome, guys. It's one of those things that's not so obvious for sure. And it's more complex because changes in cart length give inconsistent results. Doing exactly the same thing works sometimes and not others. The understanding is, I think, that pushing the switch in lets the o-ring 'spring back' against it backing the switch out (even if only a tiny bit). OTOH, forcing it all the way in and letting the cart push it back out makes the ring press it forward (into better contact) instead.
Fun little guys. Treat 'em right and they'll reward you all out of proportion to their size.
OF
Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
Just did a cleaning on a LR ava and dart cores. I followed VapoRoors instructions(I substituted a gentle scraping of the core in lieu of the core raping that VapoRoor opted for
). Drying it off in the toaster oven for 20 min@ 225 degrees. Hopefully they come clean, taste was rather stale prior. **** After cleaning, neither one fires up. YAY! Back to TET they go again. My AVA was returned last time, looking and working the same as I sent it in. Hopefully the 2nd time will be right.****
No negative vibes in my questioning you Tim. Loved all that is TET(until the Cera).
). Drying it off in the toaster oven for 20 min@ 225 degrees. Hopefully they come clean, taste was rather stale prior. **** So why did you bother asking if FC would like to see the Dart brought back? Obviously this thread has had many people yelling for the "Return of the Dart" for awhile. I feel that you just asking that question implies something behind it. I see you from time to time on here so I have to assume you have a rough "feel" for how the group feels about this product, why the tease in asking that question? Are you implying that "you" may be bringing the Dart back, if so, spill the beans man!!I don't think TET is going to bring back the DART unfortunately...
Tim
No negative vibes in my questioning you Tim. Loved all that is TET(until the Cera).
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VapoRoor
DAB-a-DAB I'll dooooo
Yeah, that core was taught a lesson. Or was I taught a lesson!?Just did a cleaning on a LR ava and dart cores. I followed VapoRoors instructions(I substituted a gentle scraping of the core in lieu of the core raping that VapoRoor opted for
hahaThey don't fire up?? maybe 225 for 20 minutes was too hot??
I pop it in my kitchen oven at 175 for 20 minutes. Never tried hotter.
Reset the switch maybe??