I have no familiarity with modern butane-extracted products. I recall honey and red oils oils that were made by classic ether (diethyl ether) or n-hexane 2-phase (with water) solvent extractions, starting with hash. How does this butane extraction compare to ether extraction?
I think I'm done with oils/waxes/shatter etc.
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vaporonly
living in a van down by the river
from what i've read butane is better quality then DIETHYL ETHER (higher Dielectric Constant)
hexane and butane have lower constants. i'm not sure how hexane and butane compare in terms of quality, i don't think there is much difference in quality, the biggest difference will be the boiling points.
back in the day it was pretty easy to get ether...now it's pretty hard to get. ether is pretty dangerous to work with too.
hexane and butane have lower constants. i'm not sure how hexane and butane compare in terms of quality, i don't think there is much difference in quality, the biggest difference will be the boiling points.
back in the day it was pretty easy to get ether...now it's pretty hard to get. ether is pretty dangerous to work with too.
Hexi
Well-Known Member
Funny stuff guys.
No, the FCC isn't worried about home BHO. They are worried about pelvic thrusts on the Superbowl halftime show. Carcinogens is a bit more than a 'choice of words' it's a scientific term with real meaning.
Since we have almost zero scientific data w/ regards to concentrates we have in hand, it's a bit of a leap to start declaring it 'healthier' than flowers based on some armchair analysis of 'purity'.
No, the FCC isn't worried about home BHO. They are worried about pelvic thrusts on the Superbowl halftime show. Carcinogens is a bit more than a 'choice of words' it's a scientific term with real meaning.
Since we have almost zero scientific data w/ regards to concentrates we have in hand, it's a bit of a leap to start declaring it 'healthier' than flowers based on some armchair analysis of 'purity'.
shredhead
Specialist
Thank you. And I realize there is still questions regarding how everyone's plants are grown but I think most growers are trying to do a good job. Just ask questions and get to know people. That's all it takes.
Olympus Mons
Probation Officer
Am I still welcome here if occasionally smoke a joint?
Not trying to twist the forum into a smoking room, but I'm sure we can all be honest and tolerant.
When it comes to tobacco, I said fuck combustion a few months ago and am digging the hell out of my DIY juice and evod tanks. And as for cannabis, I vape a lot with friends (or used to before I became a cranky old hermit fuck) who have good rigs. Was using a personal atomizer, "RBA" I learned to call it -- GREAT for oils and waxes, not much good as a dripper for e-juice however. Surprisingly, it works better with liquid pot. Which was what I wanted it for in the first place. Fun WOW while I was into it.
Now I'm bored with it. Two weeks now without concentrates and I feel fine vaping and (shhhh! smoking!) buds. These are all personal results of course. Heavy cannabis consumer, suck up more before breakfast than The Greatful Dead, Cheech, Chong, and Snoop Lion have in their combined lifetimes, just as a little background. I vape a lot ...
... But in Hell, I'm sure they smoke joints, so I keep in practice.
How about this for a far-fetched non-scientific opinion: Concentrates and extractions, when pure and well made and properly vaped, are in general better for me from a medicinal aspect. But when I wanna "get high" and feel as good as I did when I was a teenager with a seedy $40 ounce of Colombian Gold, I smoke a joint, man. Put on some Bill Bruford or Brand X or Yes and go back in time, a time before Tardy For The Party, a time when music was good....
As for the budtenders, most are like Jessy from Breaking Bad before he met Walter White, ignorant pisspots and douche-bag drug salesmen. Ask them what the solvent used in the extraction is, they look as if they're gonna swallow themselves up through their own assholes. Look toward one wall in these dispensaries and you see all this bullshit about "wellness" and "medicinal" and look at the other wall and there is all this gangster stereotypical crap painting pot in the same light as crack.
I use pot partly to stay away from crap like crack, and naming strains "Green Crack" or "AK-47" isn't helping anyone except assholes. All this is part of the reason I am staying away from concentrates for a while, and why I drink good micro-brew beer instead of cheap vodka.
Cancer and carcinogens? Hell, I'm too old to worry about that shit anymore. The computer in my lap and the iPhone in my pocket have probably mutated more people in Thailand where they make the chips in slave factories with slim or no environmental or health regulation, than the doob in my mouth, or certainly any "second-hand smoke" bullfuck. I'll go out of my way not to annoy anyone with smoke but when I'm not annoying anyone...then I'm not annoying anyone. Leave me alone.
Hell all this too is why I get high in the first place!!!
And people should really know that carcinogens are not "in" natural tobacco or cannabis, and are, as the mod said (thank you voice of reason and science), byproducts of organic combustion. Not talking about additives here, just plant matter. If any plant NATURALLY produces carcinogens, I am too lazy to Google it and don't care, because I'm only interested in tobacco and pot.
Not trying to twist the forum into a smoking room, but I'm sure we can all be honest and tolerant.
When it comes to tobacco, I said fuck combustion a few months ago and am digging the hell out of my DIY juice and evod tanks. And as for cannabis, I vape a lot with friends (or used to before I became a cranky old hermit fuck) who have good rigs. Was using a personal atomizer, "RBA" I learned to call it -- GREAT for oils and waxes, not much good as a dripper for e-juice however. Surprisingly, it works better with liquid pot. Which was what I wanted it for in the first place. Fun WOW while I was into it.
Now I'm bored with it. Two weeks now without concentrates and I feel fine vaping and (shhhh! smoking!) buds. These are all personal results of course. Heavy cannabis consumer, suck up more before breakfast than The Greatful Dead, Cheech, Chong, and Snoop Lion have in their combined lifetimes, just as a little background. I vape a lot ...
... But in Hell, I'm sure they smoke joints, so I keep in practice.
How about this for a far-fetched non-scientific opinion: Concentrates and extractions, when pure and well made and properly vaped, are in general better for me from a medicinal aspect. But when I wanna "get high" and feel as good as I did when I was a teenager with a seedy $40 ounce of Colombian Gold, I smoke a joint, man. Put on some Bill Bruford or Brand X or Yes and go back in time, a time before Tardy For The Party, a time when music was good....
As for the budtenders, most are like Jessy from Breaking Bad before he met Walter White, ignorant pisspots and douche-bag drug salesmen. Ask them what the solvent used in the extraction is, they look as if they're gonna swallow themselves up through their own assholes. Look toward one wall in these dispensaries and you see all this bullshit about "wellness" and "medicinal" and look at the other wall and there is all this gangster stereotypical crap painting pot in the same light as crack.
I use pot partly to stay away from crap like crack, and naming strains "Green Crack" or "AK-47" isn't helping anyone except assholes. All this is part of the reason I am staying away from concentrates for a while, and why I drink good micro-brew beer instead of cheap vodka.
Cancer and carcinogens? Hell, I'm too old to worry about that shit anymore. The computer in my lap and the iPhone in my pocket have probably mutated more people in Thailand where they make the chips in slave factories with slim or no environmental or health regulation, than the doob in my mouth, or certainly any "second-hand smoke" bullfuck. I'll go out of my way not to annoy anyone with smoke but when I'm not annoying anyone...then I'm not annoying anyone. Leave me alone.
Hell all this too is why I get high in the first place!!!
And people should really know that carcinogens are not "in" natural tobacco or cannabis, and are, as the mod said (thank you voice of reason and science), byproducts of organic combustion. Not talking about additives here, just plant matter. If any plant NATURALLY produces carcinogens, I am too lazy to Google it and don't care, because I'm only interested in tobacco and pot.
Hexi
Well-Known Member
Still no pics, but I've had some AK-cherry full melt hash 53% TCH (sativa>Indica) and some grape krush full melt (Indica>sativa) 51% Also had some wax, forget what kind, but it is Sativa dom.
The Grape Krush is the best IMO, nice full indica high, I don't really get 'couch lock' from vaping (tolerance/wall probably) but it was nice.
The budtenders were cool and not at all like fictional characters from an AMC show
I really don't know about the 'gangster' stuff but here is what this place looks like
This ain't mine, but this is how the concentrates are packaged and served up.
The place is BOSS
The Grape Krush is the best IMO, nice full indica high, I don't really get 'couch lock' from vaping (tolerance/wall probably) but it was nice.
The budtenders were cool and not at all like fictional characters from an AMC show
I really don't know about the 'gangster' stuff but here is what this place looks like
This ain't mine, but this is how the concentrates are packaged and served up.
The place is BOSS
Olympus Mons
Probation Officer
Looks nice to me. Many places I see sending mixed messages - on purpose - because they want to cater to both medicinal patients and the younger stoner hipster gangster crowd. Don't know what the big distinction between recreational and medicinal use is anyway.
My recreation is my medicine and vice versa.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
I find the divide between recreational and medical to be quite real. imho, I find as a "medical" user I am medicating to "enable" me to do something rather than disable. It might be trying to peel myself off the toilet, get out of bed, or tolerating the pain of my daily existence. I am also as a "medical" user very picky about what goes in my body. I see recreational users willing to put just about anything in their bodies, just look at cup videos with all the random dabs and hits, with no regard to strain, how it was grown, by whom, with what etc . . . then we move on to concentrates, which imho, just like high fructose corn syrup not being the same thing as sugar, they just are not the same as doing flowers. The terps and other water solubles are lost in the process and in my opinion this is why concentrates feel "unnatural" to me. I will ocassionally do ice water or "bubble" hash but thats as far as I go now . . .
Hexi
Well-Known Member
California dispensaries are legally bound to only serve medical patients. That's why we have the distinction. The way it was 'semi-legalized' in CA was based on compassion-legislation.
Now that places like CO have decriminalized it, we can hopefully get back on the sanity track and let adults self-medicate like we've been doing for hundreds of thousands of years already; for whatever reasons they want.
In California, you need a real M.D.'s letter of recommendation to be able to use any of the dispensaries. These things are run as Co-ops and you have to be a member. Membership requires a CA state ID, the Dr's note and signing the form.
BTW I love the lumping of stoners/hipsters/gangsters into one demo, they'd love that. Hipsters generally don't do weed, they are more into the trendy stuff.
Gangs here in Cali are too busy shooting up everything to go to a Dr and get a note.
Bluntcrush
Director of Vapor Research Labs™
This is a good discussion! Thanks Olympus for you recent post(s) you have touched on some issues that others did not. To be honest I am primarily a med user, but I can recognize the differences between an oil, flower or combustion sensation once it enters my system.(rarely if ever combust anymore) If I use concentrates as part of my regular daily medicinal ritual, they make me more productive, and they seem easier to handle with a clearer high and what feels to me like more energy. I only use concentrates during the day generally. In the early evening I usually switch to flowers (sativas or hybrids) to have a fun, and relaxing evening.
I also really like the convenience of concentrates for travel or on the go. I also think the way we consume concentrates will get better in the next couple of years.
I also really like the convenience of concentrates for travel or on the go. I also think the way we consume concentrates will get better in the next couple of years.
I've always found that idea to be a bit hypocritical. There's no such thing as recreational drug use. If you're using drugs, you're using them to feel better, whether it's to relive pain so you can get out of bed, or to relive stress so you can go about your day. Anyone using marijuana is self medicating. Even the people in those videos you're talking about...but you're also talking about people that probably aren't living in a medical state, and can't find out how what they're using was made. Ask a dealer in New York where his bud came from and how it was grown. Bound to get slapped. It's not a good situation, but it is what it is, I guess.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Really? So people who don't have pain issues but use opiates to get high are not recreationaly using? Don't you think a drug has a different effect on a healthy body than a sick one? Because I am ill, many of the drugs I have to take to function would probably cause you serious harm and you wouldn't want to put them in your body for any reason . . .
The videos were from CA, CO, and WA . . .
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
I live in NYC, and my supplier can tell me all that and more. After a couple of years of dealing with me, he also knows enough about what I like to also make recommendations that are spot on. He's even been known to recommend a less expensive variety when he knows I'll prefer it to something more expensive.
Maybe what you need is to find a better dealer...
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Yeah huh, what about shooting heroin or smoking meth or snorting bath salts (MDPV, etc)?
Where do you draw the line at "feel better?" The examples you gave seem to be like medical use, whereas if I were to vape some more just to get higher I wouldn't exactly call that medical. It's okay to use weed recreationally, there's lots of people that use it because they prefer the effects of a bit of weed to alcohol or whatever their drug of choice is. Recreational doesn't really carry a negative connotation here, at least I don't feel like it does.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Yeah I'm not hating on rec users, although I can see now why my opinion might read that way. Just pointing out some differences I perceive out there from my point of view. When you get really ill, start getting into big medicine, it changes they way you see things . . .
I understand your point of view t-dub ... but I fall into the funny category where I'm medicinal, but love the social aspect of it (although I know very few people that use cannabis anymore that live close to me so this doesn't apply much) as well as love the recreational aspect and wish I could still achieve the effect I used to (however, my medical need outweighs my need for recreation so I find it difficult to consume enough to get too much of a recreational benefitYeah I'm not hating on rec users, although I can see now why my opinion might read that way. Just pointing out some differences I perceive out there from my point of view. When you get really ill, start getting into big medicine, it changes they way you see things . . .
) ... Since I don't drink anymore (although I do miss it), I do enjoy overdoing it on my cannabis on occasion to get that feeling of being just a little bit "high" so I don't feel quite so different and forget and allow myself to be myself and not feel so self-conscious or anxious or disconnected ...)Anyways ... just another point of view ... I guess in a way the recreational is medicinal for me as it acts as a substitute for a more harmful drug in these cases (at least to me ... not saying alcohol is bad in general or for everyone ... if you can moderate than beer and wine are wonderful things as they taste phenomenal and can be a lot of fun! ... if you're like me and have difficulty with moderation ... perhaps cannabis is a better alternative in these situations?)
This medical vs. recreational discussion is semantic, since many people believe that if you do it because it makes you feel good then that's therapeutic. I'm a hedonist, I've always preferred to do things that make me feel good. This has made my life less stressful, and since stress is a proven detriment to your health, I can argue that that my cannabis use is medical. I don't think this would get me a card though.
Come to California, Pak. I complained about the weather and got my card. Validated parking, too.
Hexi
Well-Known Member
The great part about living here in California is we pay extra for everything! Housing? 3x the cost of everywhere else, Gas? Always the highest gas prices in the country, year round. Cable TV? $300 month.
Public Transit? $6 to go 15 minutes...
But the weather really is boss, the downside is it softens you up. Out here, if you like snow, you can drive to it, then drive away from it when you tire of it. Of course the LA area has those horrid wildfires, and there is the risk of earthquakes constantly, but it's pretty nice knowing that 300 days/year I don't even need to check the weather to know it will be "mild, cooler at the coast"
But I also have to pay crazy sales tax on my medicine.
Public Transit? $6 to go 15 minutes...
But the weather really is boss, the downside is it softens you up. Out here, if you like snow, you can drive to it, then drive away from it when you tire of it. Of course the LA area has those horrid wildfires, and there is the risk of earthquakes constantly, but it's pretty nice knowing that 300 days/year I don't even need to check the weather to know it will be "mild, cooler at the coast"
But I also have to pay crazy sales tax on my medicine.
I'm sorry, guys. I think I was misunderstood a bit. My point was, that if you're using a drug, your medicating yourself. I don't see any drug use as "just for fun." A guy has a beer on Friday night, he's medicating. People don't see it that way because a beer on Friday is acceptable in our society, and I don't see anything wrong with it either. I just don't see any difference between that and someone taking a xanax to do the same thing. Relieve some stress from a shitty week. A person that is healthy, mind, body, and soul, wouldn't have any use for that beer on Friday.
That's not to take away from anything people are suffering from and using marijuana to medicate with. I think all that's amazing and I'm sorry people are sick. I hate all the shit that's making us sick, too. They're feeding us garbage that's giving everyone cancer, and then killing us to treat the cancer. It's bad. I just kind of don't like it when people take the stance of "This is ok for me, because I have cancer(or whatever ailment), but it's not ok for that other guy, cuz he's mostly ok." We've all got our issues, and if this is how we choose to deal with them, we should be allowed to.
Definitely sounds like you didn't mean that, now, by the way. lol
That's not to take away from anything people are suffering from and using marijuana to medicate with. I think all that's amazing and I'm sorry people are sick. I hate all the shit that's making us sick, too. They're feeding us garbage that's giving everyone cancer, and then killing us to treat the cancer. It's bad. I just kind of don't like it when people take the stance of "This is ok for me, because I have cancer(or whatever ailment), but it's not ok for that other guy, cuz he's mostly ok." We've all got our issues, and if this is how we choose to deal with them, we should be allowed to.
Definitely sounds like you didn't mean that, now, by the way. lol
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
You know, it occurs to me that maybe this recreational/medical thing is a continuum that you slide along while you go through life, heck back in the 70's and 80's I put a bunch of shit in my body I regret now. Really doesnt matter where you are on the scale, because you exist, you will simply be somewhere on it. Depending on your health you may even slide back and forth during your lifetime, it really doesn't matter, so many shades of gray . . . The cool part is the plant seems to adapt to our needs so well with so few side effects, its incredible. Keeps my blood pressure in line without Micardis too