Ascent Vaporizer - The Ordering, Shipping, & Other Nonsense thread
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nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
Apology in advance..... Feel free to ignore
Yeah! This ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Feel others have kinda already said it, but maybe I'll try as simple of an example as I can:
Brewer, you have a dollar that I would like to have (again, outside of fraud, coercion, theft, force, etc etc).
I can make some random widget, and then expect you to just walk right in and hand me that dollar. But it doesn't work that way. No, just blindly doing things doesn't help.
However, if I can identify a need of yours, then I might have some leverage.
If I can create something that is of a benefit to you, something that is of more value to you than the value of the dollar is to you, then I have a success in this transaction.
You get the benefit of the widget. I get the benefit of the dollar. Win-win. (As I think we both said).
BUt I couldn't do that, without some concern about your benefit. Sure the end result is me having that dollar, but I couldn't have done it without worrying about a benefit for you in the first place.
That is a very simplistic representation of where I was going.
I do note that initially I was being a bit hyperbolic (and I did clearly say tounge-in-cheek) and I think that might have been mis-read. To be clear: I don't think any company makes widgets for charity. Well... except charities.
I do recognize that the end goal is not just a happy customer with NOTHING ELSE as a gain for a company. But for an exchange to work there has to be benefit for both sides and the burden is on a company to suss out a benefit (potential, perceived, or actual) for their customer.It *seems* Brewer has a more draconian take on the same exchange. (Forgive me if I am putting word in Brewer's mouth.) I think we both agree that in the end, it is win-win. It seems Brewer has a much more negative attitude, as a businessman, to the companies as they don't "give two shits" (French is excused) about the customers, whereas I think to be successful a company has to give shits. (Well, not real ones... that's a TOTALLY different biz model.
) That's why the whole "glass half/full" or "two sides of coin" thang.And honestly, as previously stated, it was never about Brewer's comments. It was more a stance against the zero-sum-game perception that seems to be so prevelant: The notion that nothing isn't gained without it being at another's expense. (again, not talking about fraud, coercion, theft, force, etc.)
But that's a whole 'nuther more complex discussion, and I wanted to keep the examples/discussion here as simple as can be.
PS:
The selling ice to eskimos comment--
Sure! If you can provide a benefit to them, then by all means! Maybe they are too busy hunting walrus (walrui?
) to be bothered to chip out the proper ice, and would gladly exchange some walrus meat for the effort I took to chop ice into perfect igloo shaped cubes. (And I won't have to hunt, and can focus on ice carving.)Welcome to division of labour!
PPS:
Honorable mention for JCat
That's 8pm est for those that have trouble converting.
QuicksilveR
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I thought the preorders were for those of us that pre-registered, are you guys saying that anyone can go on during that time and order? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of per-registrating?
green2brown
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Yes and yes.
grokit
well-worn member
From where I sit as a relative latecomer, pre-registering was just registering your interest, and in return you get notification of the early order windows direct from davinci. Since nobody is obligated to purchase, they may still order/pre-order from a retailer at a discount if they don't mind waiting a bit longer. The only way to control something like this if if the pre-registrations required early payment, and with a 5-month delay from the original "firm release date", that wouldn't have gone down too well. So I think it was handled just fine, even if the emails were a bit screwed up anybody that really wanted to could have ordered the first hour they were available. No matter when anybody ordered, nothing will ship before monday.
Chill Dude
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I pre registered a long time ago, and ordered my Ascent with the 14
MM straight adapter yesterday. I believe if you try to order and the system doesn't recognize your email address as a pre registrant, you will not be able to place an order. However, if you pre registered the system will recognize your email address and you can order your Ascent with the free gift anytime!! Woo Hoo!!
Been trying to get the Burl Wood w 14mm U, non-stop, since 4:55pm. That's 45mins. Still "
We don't have enough Ascent Vaporizer by Davinci- Burl Wood stock on hand for the quantity you selected. Please try again"
Anybody having better luck? I have things I need to do and I don't wanna miss the moment it becomes available
vape4health
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No I been trying also, any finish is unavailable, well for me they are.
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
Some one posted a few post or pages back that, your email might have to match that of the pre registered people whom originally signed up!!!
If you are one of those people then
scratch this idea!!!!
Chill Dude
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I ordered the croc yesterday and had no problem, but you have to be on the pre-registered list.
vape4health
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I thought I was, got junk mail about other crap but nothing about what I actually signed up for. Sounds about the same as everyone else. What a mess.
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
I believe there breaking them down in groups on various dates!!!
Sinclue
OK disagree with me, I can't force you to be right
I got the email to be able to order today, but have been unable to...with the same email address I registered with and the notice was sent to. "Sorry this item is currently unavailable" in all three styles.
Plus I got another email from them telling me I could buy one during the pre-registration window on Monday!
Plus I got another email from them telling me I could buy one during the pre-registration window on Monday!
Maybe they sold out of their initial shipment already. Just a thought.
Yup, if i knew all i was going to receive was junk mail regarding the original da vinci/accesories and all the emails about delays I wouldnt have signed up. Still havent received anything regarding the preorder. But my buddy has received an email for the wednesday, thursday, friday and now monday preorder dates. A little unfair....
Chill Dude
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That's weird I got the same two emails, but was able to order. Maybe Blazing OG is right about various priority groups based on pre-reg dates. I pre-registered as soon as the pre-reg was announced, perhaps that is why I was able to order a little sooner than some. IDK...
Buyola
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Same here.... I can't order, bummer.
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
I asked my son this question tonight. I think both are right some companies actually care about the person some don't. Brewer I don't know what you do for a living but you sound like a lawyer so this is the example I used to get an answer from my son. I don't think there is a wrong or right and the customer has a choice to which style they can deal with. If you had a client that was up for murder and he didn't do it your job that you love(if your not a lawyer it doesn't matter just made me think of this and if you are I assumed contract law), anyhow some lawyers will rise to the challenge and care about there job and the puzzle of getting there client off. If they lose they are mad cause it hurts there ego or whatever. How did I mess up, how can I improve blah blah. On the other hand a different defense attorney might actually care that there client ended up in jail cause they lost. I was that person who cared and my son couldn't care less about the person. Neither are wrong.
As far as the ascent, I can't tell you if my order would go through or not cause I didn't try.
As far as the ascent, I can't tell you if my order would go through or not cause I didn't try.
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
Beat me to it!!lol
Didnt want to put davinci on blast but mine states monday as well , so my conclusion is that certain emails are linked to certain dates and times!!
Who knows maybe they are having technical difficulties, system overload !!!
LOL anything is possible at this point!!!
Likely, but how screwed is that, that even being part of the "2nd pre-registration announcement", and being there from before the starting time, that we're not able to get our orders in. Wasted an hour and still trying to get lucky with that button.
Good thing my LSV is a great listener for all my problems
Reflections
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I think it helps if u make an account on the site first
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