Discontinued Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

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Alevin

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Hey guys,

just wanted to share my customer service experience with pax. I'm a touring musician and i've been on the road for a month straight and will not be home until september. Recently my pax started having the temp light issue which was really upsetting because i only vaporize and it was a pain in the ass to put pressure on the mouthpiece to push it in a little so that it would heat up. I contacted pax and they overnighted me some of the lubricant to the hotel i was staying at the following day. I had always kept a really strict cleaning regiment, but it didn't solve the problem. The lube totally solved my problem and I am SO happy with pax's customer service.

The woman at pax also told me that after applying the lubricant i only need to clean my pax once or twice a month if i use it daily. I had always read on FC that the pax needed to be cleaned every 2-3 days. Can anyone who has received and used the lubricant attest to this? Do you really not have to clean it as often. I'll be sure to share my experiences once i have enough time to use it without cleaning. I have my fingers crossed as this was the only downside of the pax.

While my pax was broken i picked up a SOLO on the road which is pretty awesome. However, the pax is much more portable and does a lot of things as good if not better than the solo. I'm happy with both and they both have their own places in my vaping arsenal!
 

brewer

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Hey guys . . .
The woman at pax also told me that after applying the lubricant i only need to clean my pax once or twice a month if i use it daily. I had always read on FC that the pax needed to be cleaned every 2-3 days. Can anyone who has received and used the lubricant attest to this? Do you really not have to clean it as often.

I clean far more often than twice a month, lubricant or not.. Every dozen uses I would say is about average, if not much less. This makes the cleaning easier--less elbow grease.

Bottom line is that i think it only "needs" to be cleaned when it starts to malfunction, e.g., not turn on or heat up because the mouth piece is gummed up... But cleaning more often gives better flavor, is easier to clean--all be it's more often, and prevents the oven from baking on resin like a fat chick stuck to a pint of ben and jerry's!
 
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francis

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What's up guys? Been a while man the thread has grown! My Pax is serving me well! So recently I bought a Solidoodle 3 3D printer, and I was trying to think of things I could make for the Pax, or for vapes in general. If anyone has any ideas I'm all ears! Its even better of you have aCAD design or a ketchup or something I can print it. Well right now I have a problem with a stepper Motor. They should replace it but technically there's no real warranty , well see just how good this company's customer service is.
a base to hold the the pax that allow you to plug a airpump into it to fill a bag :lol:
 
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This won't work because the source of the restriction is the airflow past the screen.

Yeah.. I get that, I was saying, short-hand, re-design the Pax so that it works with less resistance... e.g., if that means beef up the heater and add a battery so that the unit can draw more air (less resistance on the draw) and still vaporizer effectively--I think the added bulk is a worthwhile compromise...

Note: has anyone tried a screen with actual holes in it? work?
 
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2 Paces

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I agree with a lot of your thoughts about the Pax, but I must disagree with this:

(b) Just role with the Pax on high. You can attempt to play with settings, but for overall good taste and ease of use don't frig with medium or low until you have a bit experience with the device, if ever...
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I could not disagree with this statement more. For ease of use I would suggest medium setting only, but if I were offering taste advice I would say start on low and work your way up to medium.

I almost never use the Pax on high.
 

brewer

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I agree with a lot of your thoughts about the Pax, but I must disagree with this:



I could not disagree with this statement more. For ease of use I would suggest medium setting only, but if I were offering taste advice I would say start on low and work your way up to medium.

If pressed I would also say the opposite, don't frig with the high until you have a bit of experience with the device, if ever. In almost a year, I have probably only used high a handful of times.

Sure... That's all preference though... High is a good for me, but agree lower temps give marginally "better" flavor (really just different). The context of my advice is mostly to those who can't get the "clouds" they desire, i.e., first time users that judge the device by cloud production because they have a predisposition to think that lack of visual exhale means they aren't getting a "hit." (like when a joint is rolled too tight)

Stated another way, personally, I know I can exhale almost nothing and get high as a kite, i.e., the low setting... I will also get more hits that way... But those who are use to the ritual of blunts and the like, want to see a cloud... The high setting is best for this. Then once they figure out that vaping isn't totally about clouds--but flavor and preference--they can dial it down. (most i think convert from combustion to vaporizing slowly, if at all, and I am just trying help them ease into the transition)

Put it this way--my friends that don't vape won't switch without cloud production... at first, anyway... they think no cloud = Pax is broken. By starting at high--I show them it is not broken, even by their (erroneous) standard. Then once they know it works, I'll dial the temp down a bit and see if they like it. Many don't--they like the higher temp flavor... Many never switch to vaporizers because they want the (Starbucks) burnt flavor combustion provides. Others, though, develop the preference for the "better" flavor of vaporizing (really vaporizing just allows more mild and diverse flavors to come through; the material's flavor, sometimes very subtle flavor, is not covered up by (combustion) smoke! (when you vaporizer and do not produce smoke).

For example, guys and gals in Amsterdam when i was there this spring--had utter disgust for vaporizers... I didn't and don't get it.. But then again I would never mix fine flowers with tobacco either!!! and they do that everytime, and I had to tell people if I rolled "pure."

By showing them a Cloud vaporizer dialed up to get big clouds--they got a little interested.... but that was about it, to my surprise! I learned that it's really about custom and preference with people...

hope that makes sense..

P.S. graduated from UNH, so go Wildcats! lol!
 

2 Paces

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hope that makes sense..

Yeah, makes sense. I already edited my original post as you quoted it because I wasn't sure what I wanted to say :lol:

You're right, I didn't pay attention to the 'cloud production' heading. I was thinking of it as general advice. I'm not a fan of the high setting, but if you're looking for the most visible vapor, high is the way to go :)
 
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grokit

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Unless the material combusts there's no smoke, big fat clouds just means stronger vapor. I can feel some effects from my Pax, but it's just not as satisfying for me as a unit that can generate actual cloudage.

Size has its limitations and the Pax is amazing for what it is, but it will never be what it is not.
:leaf:
 
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brewer

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Unless the material combusts there's no smoke, big fat clouds just means stronger vapor. I can feel some effects from a Pax, but it's just not as satisfying for me as a unit that can generate actual cloudage.

Size has its limitations and the Pax is amazing for what it is, but it will never be what it is not.
:leaf:

That's all preference too... low setting on Pax = lots of hits. High setting = less hits. Either will get you just as high assuming you use the same amount of material. At least in IME; it's just how fast you wanna extract.

EDIT: Here's a question, how much do you think people waste with big thick clouds? Stated another way, can our lungs absorb everything in a big cloud or are we just exhaling THC before it get where we want it?

Also, the Pax gets me just as high as, say, my Cloud Vaporizer... I think the Cloud is more efficient with flowers... But it's marginal. Especially if you use the stainless steel wool like I described in an earlier post.

I would say that my Magic Flight is the most efficient though... Man a pinch of material in my Magic Flight will do me just fine... But again they are all more efficient than combustion... me thinks.
 
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grokit

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Yes I've tried it on low medium and high, both settings have their advantages and disadvantages. Like a lot of us I usually ramp up from low to medium and finish on high, but I think my best draws have come when I "sip" form it when it is still heating up to the high setting, then when it actually does heat up I get a killer dose.

A killer dose for a Pax I mean :rolleyes:

Bridget Fonda explains it better than I ever could, starting at about 1:42:

 

brewer

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Yes I've tried it on low medium and high, both settings have their advantages and disadvantages. Like a lot of us I usually ramp up from low to medium and finish on high, but I think my best draws have come when I "sip" form it when it is still heating up while set on high, then when it actually does heat up I get a killer dose.

A killer dose for a Pax I mean :rolleyes:

Bridget Fonda explains it better than I ever could, starting at about 1:42:


She's hot... umm, yeah.. she's hot.... what were we talking about?!

Oh, yeah... She makes sense.. But I am no doctor... nor scientist... and I hate coughing, mostly don't on any setting on any vaporizer... And it isn't because I don't have big lungs...

On that, my Cloud is calling. Pax is in the shop for repair :(
 
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pakalolo

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Yes I've tried it on low medium and high, both settings have their advantages and disadvantages. Like a lot of us I usually ramp up from low to medium and finish on high, but I think my best draws have come when I "sip" form it when it is still heating up to the high setting, then when it actually does heat up I get a killer dose.

A killer dose for a Pax I mean :rolleyes:

Bridget Fonda explains it better than I ever could, starting at about 1:42:

Is that a joke? I hope that's a joke because "Cough to get off" is right up there with "Reefer Madness".

When you cough you expel the air and anything else in your lungs (like cannabis vapour/smoke) at incredible velocity, about 800 km/h or 500 mph for you Americans. The reason you cough is to get stuff out of your lungs that the body doesn't want in there. If you're trying to absorb vapour, the last thing you want is to cough.
 
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brewer

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Is that a joke? I hope that's a joke because "Cough to get off" is right up there with "Reefer Madness".

When you cough you expel the air and anything else in your lungs (like cannabis vapour/smoke) at incredible velocity, about 800 km/h or 500 mph for you Americans. The reason you cough is to get stuff out of your lungs that the body doesn't want in there. If you're trying to absorb vapour, the last thing you want is to cough.

What about the next hit after coughing though? Are your lungs more adapt to pull in more THC?
 
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pakalolo

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What about the next hit after coughing though? Are your lungs more adapt to pull in more THC?

No, your lungs are now conditioned to cough even more readily. Haven't you noticed this?

Rhetorical question. I should not have derailed the thread. The topic is the Pax.
 
pakalolo,
Hey guys,

just wanted to share my customer service experience with pax. I'm a touring musician and i've been on the road for a month straight and will not be home until september. Recently my pax started having the temp light issue which was really upsetting because i only vaporize and it was a pain in the ass to put pressure on the mouthpiece to push it in a little so that it would heat up. I contacted pax and they overnighted me some of the lubricant to the hotel i was staying at the following day. I had always kept a really strict cleaning regiment, but it didn't solve the problem. The lube totally solved my problem and I am SO happy with pax's customer service.

The woman at pax also told me that after applying the lubricant i only need to clean my pax once or twice a month if i use it daily. I had always read on FC that the pax needed to be cleaned every 2-3 days. Can anyone who has received and used the lubricant attest to this? Do you really not have to clean it as often. I'll be sure to share my experiences once i have enough time to use it without cleaning. I have my fingers crossed as this was the only downside of the pax.

While my pax was broken i picked up a SOLO on the road which is pretty awesome. However, the pax is much more portable and does a lot of things as good if not better than the solo. I'm happy with both and they both have their own places in my vaping arsenal!

Do you get Clouds from your Pax or Medium Clouds? Roomy is a Touring Musician too if your ever in Atlanta we should do a sesh. What kinda music you play?
 
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grokit

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It always made a kind of (admittedly unscientific) sense to me, expanded capillaries and the smoke (vapor) being forced into them as they are gasping for oxygen, therefore amplifying the absorption.

edit: Also don't forget about the elite long distance athletes that use mj's dense smoke occasionally, for the sole purpose of expanding their lung capacity. Sorry, end of OT.

So even though I think it's a hilarious scene, no it wasn't a joke :tup:
 
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pakalolo

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It always made a kind of (admittedly unscientific) sense to me, expanded capillaries and the smoke (vapor) being forced into them as they are gasping for oxygen, therefore amplifying the absorption.

So even though I think it's a hilarious scene, no it wasn't a joke :tup:

They aren't gasping for air, they're desperate to expel something foreign. The smoke/vapour is being forced out. As I said, off-topic. Let's stop now.
 
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kmykimi

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I would have held it in my hand so they could see it. If the wand beeps, they already can see why and have no reason to ask to inspect it further. I can't think of a device that would attract less suspicion.
Metal detectors can be seen everywhere in modern society that they are mainly applied in airports, stations, important conference rooms, supermarkets and many other public places where there are a large flow of people. So it is not strange to see metal detectors in a stadium. They are used to detect the hidden metal objects on the people, such us guns and controlled knives, etc. They are indispensible for the security of public safety. The most common ones are walk through metal detectors and adjustable hand held metal detectors. Adjustable hand-held metal detectors are generally used together with walk through metal detectors. After the walk through metal detectors finding the metal objects and their approximate locations by making alarming, the adjustable hand-held metal detectors can be used to find the exact locations. What you've seen are walk through metal detectors.
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brewer

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No, your lungs are now conditioned to cough even more readily. Haven't you noticed this?

Rhetorical question. I should not have derailed the thread. The topic is the Pax.

I don't know... I rarely cough, and when I do it's a one time deal. A couple and a I am done. My lungs do feel more raw though after, like an open wound, and it would make sense if more THC got into the blood stream from the vapor being expose to that "open wound." Like ripping a scab off and pouring something on it---that something now has better contact than before the scab was there... Even if you cough, the contact has still been made before the cough... But who knows...

Either way neither smoking (nor vaping I assume) affects lung capacity in anyway IME. It's all mental. I played professional soccer many moons ago, and found no difference in aerobic performance when smoking flowers a few times a week versus not. Did both thinking it would make a difference, I was wrong...

The only difference I found was that you might cough a little more, the day after a session, when you start getting your heart rate up, but I still passed fitness tests at the exact same mark either way. Actually, the one time I got the highest mark, compared to the rest of the team, on a "beep test" was the morning after a pretty nice bong session... That's when I realized the whole drugs and performance thing is just hype to scare kids... Performance is all about the right training regime, and cycles, so you peak at the right time--playoffs; what you eat or drink or smoke has little or no effect, so long as you stay hydrated and take in enough calories.

Hell, Europeans I played against smoked cigarettes at half time...

In any case, vaping with a pax doesn't make you cough unless you're hitting too hard... It can be hot vapor in that case...
 
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vape4health

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I started screwing around with using 400ss mesh instead of the pax screen and used an razor blade to open up the mouthpiece hole. The mesh screen I just rolled up like a normal genny wick then unrolled it to open it some for air flow, it's a very loose roll. After it was rolled to a cone shape I stuck it down the tube and folded the oven end up to close it off. So far it looks like the "wick" is holding the oil just like I was hoping for. If it works I would hope tgd wick will hold the oil untill it gets vaped or I can pull the wick and get the reclaim that way. Between the screen and opening the mouthpiece the draw is much more usable, I think the suction was causing me to somehow get spit down the mp. The spit thing don't seem to happen anymore. I'm only 10 or so ovens into the wick screen, I'll report back after more use.
 

ludwig

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I got an offer to buy Pax on the cheap. It seems that the warranty is non-transferable. Anyone else buy their Pax not from Ploom or any authorized retailers and get their Pax serviced still?
 
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Pax by Ploom - Breaking the Pax Code/The best Pax method (merged)

I have broken the Pax code!!

This is probably already on here somewhere, but I figured just in case it isn't or for anyone who is just getting into it this could seriously shorten your learning curve. I have experimented with the Pax for a couple weeks and this is the method that I got the hands down best results with. Anyone who doesn't think this vape puts off enough vapor or isn't satisfied...there's a better than average chance that they aren't doing it right. Everyone should try this method before they bash it on the forums or *gasp* sell their unit.

This method works the best with between .2 and .4 grams of material, but I have used less and still gotten decent results. The three major points to this method are as follows:

#1 - You need to grind your material up very finely. I find the finer the better. Some people will suggest that you lay out your material to dry, and it does work a little better but is NOT necessary.

#2 - It has to be packed in uncomfortably tight. Forget what you know about other vapes, this one is different. You want to pack your stuff in so tight that you wouldn't be able to hit it in a normal combustion pipe. This was the hardest part for me to take the plunge on as I am not filthy rich and shelling out the 250$ for a Pax cut into my budget for material, so I was not wanting to waste any and packing it in too tight has always been synonymous with not getting good draws and wasting material. However, I assure you that after I tried this once I realized that NOT packing it down actually seemed like more of a waste. So pack it in good, until you have a solid brick in the bottom of the oven. For reference, .2 grams for me doesn't fill it up halfway when packed properly. I have heard other people say they need to put a half rolled screen in there to fill up space, but when properly packed this has NOT been necessary for me. Leaving it loose in the oven or even not packing it tightly enough causes drastically diminished vapor production for me.

#3 - Ok, so number 1 is easy, number 2 isn't too hard to master, but number 3 is going to be a little different for everybody and that is the actual drawing technique. What I have found produces the most vapor, lung shattering in fact, is the mini puff pulse method. That is where you puff it like a cigar in small light draws just slightly less than a half a second long each. You just do a steady pulse of these "half second or so" draws, puffing with your cheek muscles and then pulling into your lungs between tokes. This really seems to be the proper pacing for this vape and I find that it will simply keep producing vapor in small puffs until your lungs are full. Lots of people say to hit it long and slow like most other vapes, but this has never given me good results, just hot air and a comparatively tiny amount of vapor. A steady pulse of small draws, however, and I can literally get choked out every time and produce very very decent clouds. Now, this is going to be a little different for everyone, but if you start with small puffs and slowly build them up to your preference you will find a better experience than long slow drags, I promise.

In summary, each of these steps is important and this method will not be as mind blowing as it would if you fail at any of them, they are all crucial. You must first grind it up as finely as you can, then make sure it's packed in very tightly, then a steady pulse of small puffs until your lungs are full. Never do I draw on it for more than one solid second at a time. My results using this exact method have been consistently fantastic ever since I have switched. I always vape on medium for the first go and high after one stir and using .2 grams I easily get 10 awesome hits, then another 7-10 decent ones out of the medium run, then about that same amount out of the high run. Some people, my brother included, like to leave it on high for the whole session, which will produce more and stronger hits faster, but also destroys your taste factor faster. That's all personal preference. This method will produce good clouds on medium or high. Low not so much for the clouds, but the taste will be there strongly and last longer so some people will prefer that setting I'm sure.

Here is my testimonial. My brother is a notorious vapor hater. He has never liked vaping and always thought that combustion was the only way, even the mighty Volcano and the Arizer Extreme Q could not sway him. He said unless it was something you could take with you/carry around the house without a cord it was impractical and overall not as good as a smaller combustion pipe. He made an effort to pick out a portable but unfortunately he got sold on the Puffit's discreet shape and did no research into performance. Not surprisingly he felt unsatisfied and it completely turned him off to portables. Also no shock that when I told him I was ordering a Pax he was very skeptical. Telling him how much it cost did not make things any better. When we first started using it before I got a handle on what method I liked the best his skepticism remained unchanged. But once I showed him how well it works if you follow this method his mind quickly changed and he ordered his own that same night. Now he has gone almost a week without using an open flame and I couldn't be more proud.

This next part is just for fun(lol or is it?) About the Pax Code, I want to believe(good luck changing my mind lol) that the designers purposefully left clues about it's proper usage in the design of the device its self. First of all the little light has a pulse to it. If you match your draws to that pulse you will be right about on par with what I am having you do. Secondly it's called a Pax, which subliminally tells you to pack it in there lol As far as grinding it up finely I really don't have anything for that lol but maybe one of you more creative people could think of something.

There you have it, my take on proper Pax technique. LOVE LOVE LOVE this thing. Even around the house it is so much more convenient than hovering over a tower with a whip, or even carrying a balloon full around with you. For use out of the house there is no substitute for its stealth factor and portability, and I can't wait to try another top of the line portable unit to compare it to for actual vapor performance, such as the Ascent when they fix the airflow and taste issues. Taste is definitely a little better in the glass on glass Extreme Q, but the Pax is still very very tasty too. In closing, the portability and speed of use make this my go to device for ALL my vaping needs. That's right, my Extreme Q mainly just looks cool now lol 5/5 stars, two thumbs up, gold medal quality, and life changing are all good descriptive terms. In fact, if they had a Nobel Prize for this sort of thing, give it to this device. Sorry this post turned into a novel, and if you have read the whole thing then thanks for your attention. Go have yourself a mind blowing Pax session, and if you don't have one yet go and order it, and if you follow these instructions you will be thoroughly satisfied.
 

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