Discontinued The Sublimator

Tweek said:

I vaped for two weeks using the Volcano at #9...nowhere near what I am getting here. I've also tried lower temps, around the #5 mark and # 7.

Not sure if that helps, but just a bit of background of my experiences going into the sublimator.

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No, you have to boil the lower substances off first, as they will lower the temperature of the air, as well as absorb a lot of the oxygen. With the sublimator, the vapor still has a chance to come into contact with the hot air based on how it's made. This is a good, and a negative based on how you use vaporizers(medical/recreational)

Being that the volcano has a maximum air temperature of 266f in the bag when set to the maximum temperature, this is PERFECT to heat the vapor enough to oxidize the thc, considering you only used .05-.10 in the bowl to allow less air to cool off then if you use more then that.

Not sure I follow, but I am pretty baked right now. I've vaped at lower temps and then revaped the material at higher temps if that is what you mean? Outside of effect, I still say the sublimator is much smoother dry. I hack a lung out with the Volcano, as I find it very drying without water. The sublimator is super smooth...even when I accidentally combusted.

My feet are tingly too ... and I've been looking around for my drink ... then remembered that I decided not to get one almost AN HOUR AGO and somehow I thought I'd had one all this time ... (take these reviews with a grain of salt though ... I am quite tired ... give it a few days to a week of use to see if it still hits this hard)

Tweek said:

Not sure I follow, but I am pretty baked right now. I've vaped at lower temps and then revaped the material at higher temps if that is what you mean? Outside of effect, I still say the sublimator is much smoother dry. I hack a lung out with the Volcano, as I find it very drying without water. The sublimator is super smooth...even when I accidentally combusted.

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Yeah, it will be MUCH smoother due to the restriction from the atomizer. With the volcano you would have to wait a few seconds for the air to cool down, or use a water filter, and inhale slowly so the air has more contact with the cool environment the water gives.

You vape all of your substances like your flavonoids, essential oils, water,etc. at say 320f-365f until you see no more vapor being extracted at these temperatures. You then up the temperature to maximum, then extract the thc, but since this temperature is WAY PAST it's boiling point a lot of it will oxidize into cbn, which along with thc, gives this knockout high a lot of you are feeling. You just have to use very little in the bowl. If you use too much, the vapor, and plant fibers, will cool off the air in the bag/bowl causing less oxidation, and you won't feel the effects as much as you have the ability to.

http://www.cali420ian.com/ilovepot

"CBN - Cannabinol
A mild psychoactive cannabinoid, which is formed as the result of the degrading of THC. CBN increases the effects of THC, which causes heavy body high with heavy eyes. This can be used for pain relief and sleep aid."

LOL now its a contest for a SUB! So you better parody Enrico correct!!!!
I love it.

From earlier.

Live-N-Learn said:

Everybody with a sub post a video and use Enricos accent, that would be cool lol
Best impersonation wins.[No Prize] SUB - LEE - MAY - TOUR

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Awesome video, Enrico! Thanks for the shout out! I did a nice hit of some kief I managed to scrape up...just a tiny amount was like a punch in the face from Remo...for saying no.

thanks for the shout out... looks like there needs to be a thread started over in the contests forum?? eh?

Who will sublimate the competition? Muhahaha

FYI: Enrico cant make a video, that would be classified as cheating.

jambandphan03 said:

thanks for the shout out... looks like there needs to be a thread started over in the contests forum?? eh?

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I've sent Enrico a PM explaining how to set up an official contest. It will probably take a couple of days to prepare, so in the meantime people should prepare their entries but hold onto them until the official contest thread is open.

luchiano said:

Glad you like your sublimator, just take it easy because it sounds like you are getting a lot of cbn. That's why it is "hitting you harder" then a dab. When you pile up your body full of cbn, you will feel lazy after a while, and the high becomes lethargic. It will take a few days to wear off, so try to keep your hits low because the more cbn your body gets into to it, the longer it takes to get out of that slump. You might not notice it at first, but as soon as you need to do something that requires energy, you will see what I mean. I speak from experience.

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I appreciate that you're trying to help and you do have some interesting theories, but please stop stating your opinion as fact. You haven't even used this vape, so you do not speak from experience.

@ The lucky early Subbers, thank you for sharing your experiences so far. I can't wait to join you.

vtac said:

I appreciate that you're trying to help and you do have some interesting theories, but please stop stating your opinion as fact. You haven't even used this vape, so you do not speak from experience.

@ The lucky early Subbers, thank you for sharing your experiences so far. I can't wait to join you.

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It's called science, and using what Enrico has showed us about his design, to come to my conclusion. If this was a complex vaporizer, that was a mystery in design, and I didn't know how the substances in cannabis works, I would not say anything but, since I have felt these effects, and can clearly see what is happening, I'm giving my input. Nothing is "theory" or a mystery as to what is going on. I'm happy for Enrico to see people enjoying his product, but that doesn't mean I can't explain my part about it, at least technically. From the start of the discussion in the other thread that has been closed, I stated it was a high temperature vaporizer, the restriction is cooling the vapor, and the vapor is thick because of this cooling as well as excess air. Also the oxidation occurring. So far I have been right about the heater being hot, and the restriction cooling things down. Only science will prove about the cbn but I know how those effects feel, and going by peoples post this is what they are feeling.

Your post is an example of why I will not be giving my take on vaporizing techniques to improve absorption, and effects or how a lot of vaporizers work any longer. I see I'm getting people mad, as usual, and don't want to derail the thread or others. Maybe it's time to move on anyway. Have fun.

my set up for this evening. had it running for a few hours already and im thoroughly impressed; its able to kill a bowl in one almighty hit, and regardless of draw speed, it keeps up. also got some tips from planet vape regarding early usage:

"Grind your flowers to a medium / fine consistency, recommended to use our Volcano Grinder

On a brand new Sublimator, clean the lower section which contains the cone shaped bowl and the atomizer very thoroughly with ISO (Isopropyl Alcohol) to remove any machining residues.

If a screen is not already installed at the bottom of the cone, insert a screen (included) from the top of the cone and push it down until properly seated.

Place the Apollo heat injector on to the top of the cone and place both parts as an assembled unit in to the stand or your water tool.

On a brand new Sublimator, turn your Sublimator on by rotating the temp selector wheel on the power cord to the full power position and let it run at full temp for 20-30 minutes to burn off any manufacturing oils. Then back the power dial off by about ? turn. A small turn of the power wheel makes a big difference in temperature once you are in the 75% to 100% power range. Make small incremental power changes and wait about 10 minutes for the Sublimator to stabilize at your new temperature.

On a cold Sublimator, wait 10-12 minutes for the Sublimator to heat up to your desired temperature and reach thermal equilibrium. The heat injector and cone / atomizer must reach the same temperature through heat conduction.

Once thermal equilibrium has been reached, using the upper handle lift off the heat injector and place 0.1 gram – 0.15 gram of dried herbs in to the top of the cone and give it a quick stir with a heat proof stir tool to ensure your herbs are not clumped together.

Place the Apollo heat injector back on to the top of the cone and place both parts as an assembled unit in to your water tool if not already there. The use of water in your water tool is optional, try using it dry first.

Take a nice long hard / fast inhalation, lifting the lower handle attached to the cone / atomizer when your lungs are near capacity to clear your water tool.

Wait 30 seconds between hits to see if you need another, always stir your herbs between hits.

Aways empty spent bowl while it is still at its hottest, a cool bowl is much harder to empty cleanly.

Remember to turn off your Sublimator when finished, there is no timer.

The Sublimator is a serious medical tool, the metal parts get extremely hot and serious burns / fire can result if touched / dropped or put in to contact with any flammable materials. Please use caution and common sense when using the Sublimator. Always remember to turn off your Sublimator when finished, there is no timer."

wise words, im sure

Has anymore done more then .15grams in a a single load? Does anyone know if it can handle about twice that or more?

Does anyone know it if can be run 24/7?

luchiano said:

It's called science, and using what Enrico has showed us about his design, to come to my conclusion. If this was a complex vaporizer, that was a mystery in design, and I didn't know how the substances in cannabis works, I would not say anything but, since I have felt these effects, and can clearly see what is happening, I'm giving my input. Nothing is "theory" or a mystery as to what is going on. I'm happy for Enrico to see people enjoying his product, but that doesn't mean I can't explain my part about it, at least technically. From the start of the discussion in the other thread that has been closed, I stated it was a high temperature vaporizer, the restriction is cooling the vapor, and the vapor is thick because of this cooling as well as excess air. Also the oxidation occurring. So far I have been right about the heater being hot, and the restriction cooling things down. Only science will prove about the cbn but I know how those effects feel, and going by peoples post this is what they are feeling.

Your post is why I will not be giving my take on vaporizing techniques to improve absorption, and effects or how a lot of vaporizers work any longer. I see I'm getting people mad, as usual, and don't want to derail the thread or others. Maybe it's time to move on anyway. Have fun.

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No, it's not science. It's your opinion. You make a habit of commenting on new vaporizers that you've never used, and state a lot of your opinions as fact. That's against the forum rules and now you have been asked to stop twice.

You also have a habit of signing swan songs after your theories are challenged, but you haven't ever held to your word. Just stop stating your opinion as fact. Next time you'll get a warning point. Thank you.

I dropped a fairly large amount in last night (didn't weigh) and it gave me a big fat hit that got me coughing. Seemed fairly well spent.

Have not left it on 24/7 but I did have it on from around 1pm yesterday till midnight and it was a champ.

Slightly Medicated said:

Does anyone know it if can be run 24/7?

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Only these early units will be without a timer.

How does the ambient head do? I assume you had it setting int he stand? Did the stand get hot? Did the heat keep building or does it stay nice and consistent. I bought a 24/7 cord because I hope the unit can run 24/7 with out degrading the parts or getting too hot. A 10-15 minute warm up time is too much for me. If I have to turn it off an on because it makes me desk to hot or something that would be a big drawback. Sounds like that is not really the case though.

No, I left it sitting in the atomizer. Everything was fine, and nothing seemed to increase heat wise.

the stand seems to stay pretty cool to the touch, assuming youre not touching it near the heater itself, the bottom piece doesnt heat much at all, and then its got rubber feet on it which add distance; its not gonna ruin any desks, or even heat them.

not played around with it much, but once at temperature its pretty consistant with its heat. the apollo itself is surprisingly heavy (so i thought) and retains quite the heat; not to mention the element itself is very powerful, getting red hot at maximum (hence the dabs)

Nice! I might leave it sitting plugged and on the Atomizer/Water Pipe ready to load. That would be the most convenient. My shipment left Canada... Although the irony is I am more north then Toronto... does that make me more canadian? I have some amazingly high standards when it comes to the extraction delivery of home units. I am really looking forward to seeing how this one stacks up.

Slightly Medicated said:

Nice! I might leave it sitting plugged and on the Atomizer/Water Pipe ready to load. That would be the most convenient. My shipment left Canada... Although the irony is I am more north then Toronto... does that make me more canadian? I have some amazingly high standards when it comes to the extraction delivery of home units. I am really looking forward to seeing how this one stacks up.

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the only problem i can see with it sat in your piece is that it can and will get stuck in pretty tight, which can make clearing it difficult to pull off smoothly; when the carb/claim catcher comes out though, that issue goes away.

talking about extraction, i took a quick shot of my last 3 bowls after a large hit which seemed to deplete it. i guess i was between 1/4 (top) and 1/2 (left and bottom) turn from maximum:

this is as thorough as the herbalaire, with the planet vape glass adapter would do in about 3 lesser hits. the heat retention shines through on the hard pulls, and i think it shows in the abv

how do you guys like the screen design? instead of the traditional mesh, its a piece of stainless steel that has been punctured with a great many small holes. very sturdy and stays in place very well, though it may let through a little too much of the old particulate; would probably work magnificently paired with a fine mesh screen.

Here is our design idea for the SubBuddy Reclaimer. This one is 90 degree but can also be made in a 45 degree for 45 degree water tool slides.

the electrician said:

how do you guys like the screen design? instead of the traditional mesh, its a piece of stainless steel that has been punctured with a great many small holes. very sturdy and stays in place very well, though it may let through a little too much of the old particulate; would probably work magnificently paired with a fine mesh screen.

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For the purest nectar production, you can use finer screens in the Atomizer.

That is pretty sexy looking PV. I'd hit that.

Looks good to me PV