Discontinued Vapir NO2
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Vitolo
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glampoodle
New Member
Hi everyone, first post here 
I recently made an impulse purchase of the No.2 on eBay for $87+shipping after reading some positive reviews online. Shortly after i discovered this forum and the number of negative reviews in made me very worried about my purchase. My No.2 arrived after 2 weeks and opening the box I was pleased not to smell any immediate, strong plastic odors, possibly due to the presence of a small sachet of carbon deodorizer inside. Upon examining the No.2 more closely however I detected a slight "new plastic" smell coming from the sides of the unit.
I read the manual and proceeded to soak the tubing in hot water for 20 minutes. After fully charging the unit overnight, I set the temp to max and left the unit on for 20 minutes to "burn in". I was pleased to notice the "new plastic" smell was now barely detectable.
I preheated the unit to 185 celsius, loaded the chamber around 1/2 full of good quality herb locked on the top. Gently inhaling through the tube for about 30 seconds, I could lightly taste my herbs but I felt like barely any vapor was coming out. Having never used a vaporizer before it was a very different experience to combusting and at first I felt like it wasn't working properly. I kept trying though and after my 6th or 7th draw (i lost count) I realized i was high as a kite! After my 10th (or so) draw I began to notice a slight but definite "burnt popcorn" taste. Turning off the unit and opening up i could see my bud was very brown and looked well vaped.
Having experimented with the unit 6 times now, I am thoroughly enjoying the strong effects it gives me and how much weed it seems to conserve. In addition, I can no longer smell a plastic smell from my unit. My main disappointment is with the amount of vapor that seems to be produced, when I exhale I usually only see very weak clouds and on some draws nothing at all! Is this normal for vaporizing, or is it my technique or the unit itself?
-Should I be inhaling harder?
-How much herb should I put in the unit for optimum performance and do I pack it down or leave it?
-What is the best temperature?
-How many draws should I be getting before my herb is fully spent?
Thanks
I recently made an impulse purchase of the No.2 on eBay for $87+shipping after reading some positive reviews online. Shortly after i discovered this forum and the number of negative reviews in made me very worried about my purchase. My No.2 arrived after 2 weeks and opening the box I was pleased not to smell any immediate, strong plastic odors, possibly due to the presence of a small sachet of carbon deodorizer inside. Upon examining the No.2 more closely however I detected a slight "new plastic" smell coming from the sides of the unit.
I read the manual and proceeded to soak the tubing in hot water for 20 minutes. After fully charging the unit overnight, I set the temp to max and left the unit on for 20 minutes to "burn in". I was pleased to notice the "new plastic" smell was now barely detectable.
I preheated the unit to 185 celsius, loaded the chamber around 1/2 full of good quality herb locked on the top. Gently inhaling through the tube for about 30 seconds, I could lightly taste my herbs but I felt like barely any vapor was coming out. Having never used a vaporizer before it was a very different experience to combusting and at first I felt like it wasn't working properly. I kept trying though and after my 6th or 7th draw (i lost count) I realized i was high as a kite! After my 10th (or so) draw I began to notice a slight but definite "burnt popcorn" taste. Turning off the unit and opening up i could see my bud was very brown and looked well vaped.
Having experimented with the unit 6 times now, I am thoroughly enjoying the strong effects it gives me and how much weed it seems to conserve. In addition, I can no longer smell a plastic smell from my unit. My main disappointment is with the amount of vapor that seems to be produced, when I exhale I usually only see very weak clouds and on some draws nothing at all! Is this normal for vaporizing, or is it my technique or the unit itself?
-Should I be inhaling harder?
-How much herb should I put in the unit for optimum performance and do I pack it down or leave it?
-What is the best temperature?
-How many draws should I be getting before my herb is fully spent?
Thanks
max
Out to lunch
But your statement that "I am thoroughly enjoying the strong effects it gives me" proves that it's producing vapor just fine. It's a smallish portable where you're loading small amounts of herb, so you'll see a small amount of vapor on exhale. If you want to see big vapor clouds on exhale, you'll need to use a model that's a bigger hitter, usually an AC model. Just keep in mind that big clouds of exhaled vapor means wasted vapor. You can't process a huge hit with a 2 sec. inhale.
That's up to you but a harder draw means a lower vaping temp. Draw speed is a factor in the temp you're getting in the bowl.
Just experiment and find what suits you.
It's personal preference. Some don't like to take a bowl up to the high temp vapor range, and others do.
There are too many variables for an answer to that question. #1 is the draw time itself. For some it's a short little puff. For others a draw can be 10 sec. or more. The herb is done when you no longer get vapor at the temp you're using. You can start vaping at a lower temp (recommended) and move up, which means your vapor production may trail off several times before the bowl is done.
Enchantre
Oil Painter
The NO2 is a great "portable"... we don't "port" it around much, but it is lovely for fast, easy, middle of the night can't think straight hits. It's also great for travel (car trips).
Vaporizing is different than combustion. In combustion, you WANT to exhale all those products of combustion quickly, and due to those, there is a big cloud. With vaporizing, yes you can get great vapor clouds, but those are generally just used to demonstrate how big of hits one can get... a vapor cloud is medicine going to waste!
With the NO2, I've found it's best (when using the short tube & mouthpiece) to just take slower, "loose" draws, with some side air included, hold for a few seconds (I count to five), then release, generally through my nostrils. Very little visible vapor means you get MORE medicine. After vaping, the state of your ABV will demonstrate that you've gotten all the goodies.
Vaporizing is different than combustion. In combustion, you WANT to exhale all those products of combustion quickly, and due to those, there is a big cloud. With vaporizing, yes you can get great vapor clouds, but those are generally just used to demonstrate how big of hits one can get... a vapor cloud is medicine going to waste!
With the NO2, I've found it's best (when using the short tube & mouthpiece) to just take slower, "loose" draws, with some side air included, hold for a few seconds (I count to five), then release, generally through my nostrils. Very little visible vapor means you get MORE medicine. After vaping, the state of your ABV will demonstrate that you've gotten all the goodies.
poonman
Well-Known Member
Welcome to FC glampoodle ,
I would suggest drawing slower to get the big visible cloud vapors . ( I vape at 369 to 385 C )
Let it collect in your lungs , it's Not like smoking a joint .
Also , you Should keep the unit clean for best flavor and taste .
ie ; the mouthpiece and the brass cooking chamber .
I've actually soaked the entire mouthpiece with screen in iso , then rinse with warm/hot water
afterwards . The mouthpiece will collect the most resin/oil . ime
And Don't stick the brush inside the HOT chamber to clean it , you'll ruin the brush .
There's probably a few more tips too...
Enjoy your NO2 .
I would suggest drawing slower to get the big visible cloud vapors . ( I vape at 369 to 385 C )
Let it collect in your lungs , it's Not like smoking a joint .
Also , you Should keep the unit clean for best flavor and taste .
ie ; the mouthpiece and the brass cooking chamber .
I've actually soaked the entire mouthpiece with screen in iso , then rinse with warm/hot water
afterwards . The mouthpiece will collect the most resin/oil . ime
And Don't stick the brush inside the HOT chamber to clean it , you'll ruin the brush .
There's probably a few more tips too...
Enjoy your NO2 .
poonman
Well-Known Member
Welcome to FC glampoodle ,
I would suggest drawing slower to get the big visible cloud vapors . ( I vape at 369 to 385 C )
Let it collect in your lungs , it's Not like smoking a joint .
Also , you Should keep the unit clean for best flavor and taste .
ie ; the mouthpiece and the brass cooking chamber .
I've actually soaked the entire mouthpiece with screen in iso , then rinse with warm/hot water
afterwards . The mouthpiece will collect the most resin/oil . ime
And Don't stick the brush inside the HOT chamber to clean it , you'll ruin the brush .
There's probably a few more tips too...
Enjoy your NO2 .
I would suggest drawing slower to get the big visible cloud vapors . ( I vape at 369 to 385 C )
Let it collect in your lungs , it's Not like smoking a joint .
Also , you Should keep the unit clean for best flavor and taste .
ie ; the mouthpiece and the brass cooking chamber .
I've actually soaked the entire mouthpiece with screen in iso , then rinse with warm/hot water
afterwards . The mouthpiece will collect the most resin/oil . ime
And Don't stick the brush inside the HOT chamber to clean it , you'll ruin the brush .
There's probably a few more tips too...
Enjoy your NO2 .
One of my good friends smokes for medical reasons, but he hasn't been able to afford a vape, so he just uses a crappy little bong... I was gonna sell him my NO2 for a pretty cheap price since I was thinking of getting a PAX and or Inhalater XP.
I'm just wondering, if anyone here (other than Vitolo obviously haha) has experience with both of them, if there's a "niche" the NO2 fills the PAX doesn't...
Thanks!
I'm just wondering, if anyone here (other than Vitolo obviously haha) has experience with both of them, if there's a "niche" the NO2 fills the PAX doesn't...
Thanks!
francis
Vape enthusiasms
i prefer my PAX over my No2.
Vitolo
Vaporist
Yes.. there are a couple niches the NO2 fills where the pax wont do for me.
-When I want to vape plugged in, and not watch battery....
-When my Pax is charging
-when working in the yard... On any project that requires 2 hands.....
The Pax cant be set down as fast and easily in the upright position as can the NO2....
The Pax laying down on it's side is hard to grab with gloves... and it is hard to stand up fast without it tipping.. so the NO2 is an easy vape for during jobs around the property.
-When I want to vape plugged in, and not watch battery....
-When my Pax is charging
-when working in the yard... On any project that requires 2 hands.....
The Pax cant be set down as fast and easily in the upright position as can the NO2....
The Pax laying down on it's side is hard to grab with gloves... and it is hard to stand up fast without it tipping.. so the NO2 is an easy vape for during jobs around the property.
NotPotRelated
MFLB Pro
quick question: when replacing the screen in the chamber should it be pushed all the way down? or at the rim of the chamber?
Vitolo
Vaporist
although some do try to put the screen at the rim...(there is even a vid about it)..
The ACTUAL technical detail is that the screen goes all the way in.
Some raise the screen to save on herb(smaller load).... some say it gets the heat to circulate a bit, as in aconvection as opposed to conduction.
I tried both, and the unit seemed to work best as INSTRUCTIONS dictate.. with screen at bottom.
Other opinions will vary.
I base my statements on the fact that I used my NO2 with screen in upper position for a month ( a mediocre vapor month)... and have used my NO2 as instructed for 2 years(two great vapor production years).
The ACTUAL technical detail is that the screen goes all the way in.
Some raise the screen to save on herb(smaller load).... some say it gets the heat to circulate a bit, as in aconvection as opposed to conduction.
I tried both, and the unit seemed to work best as INSTRUCTIONS dictate.. with screen at bottom.
Other opinions will vary.
I base my statements on the fact that I used my NO2 with screen in upper position for a month ( a mediocre vapor month)... and have used my NO2 as instructed for 2 years(two great vapor production years).
NotPotRelated
MFLB Pro
Many your quick! thanks
z9
Well-Known Member
It should be pushed down in the chamber, not at the rim. The rest is preference.
Some people like to keep it off the bottom of the chamber, other's like it elevated. When the screen is raised off the bottom it encourages you to use less herb because you can't pack as much. Keeping the screen off the bottom also lessens the amount of vapor produced via conduction.
Edit: Ah ninja'd by Vito
Some people like to keep it off the bottom of the chamber, other's like it elevated. When the screen is raised off the bottom it encourages you to use less herb because you can't pack as much. Keeping the screen off the bottom also lessens the amount of vapor produced via conduction.
Edit: Ah ninja'd by Vito
Enchantre
Oil Painter
Do, however, make sure you snag that inner screen out of there when cleaning, and use a q-tip & iso to make sure those 4 holes in the bottom of the chamber are unobstructed by resin!
My husband discovered that the mouthpiece tubing fits PERFECTLY into the screen, which can then be pushed evenly into the chamber - flattening the flared edge nicely. I had limited success, and ended up using a pencil (eraser end) to finish nudging it into place.
My husband discovered that the mouthpiece tubing fits PERFECTLY into the screen, which can then be pushed evenly into the chamber - flattening the flared edge nicely. I had limited success, and ended up using a pencil (eraser end) to finish nudging it into place.
Hello,
My girlfriend bought me the NO2 for my birthday after considerable research. We are ecigarette converts and the NO2 was the next step in an all vape lifestyle.
So far, I have only used it a few times and I have mixed feelings on it so far. I read through just about this entire thread looking for information, but I am now officially overloaded with info, some of it conflicting, and am having trouble making heads or tails of it. This is the first and only vaporizer I have ever tried, so I am not sure what expectations I had going into it, but wanted to see if I am doing something wrong, there is something wrong with the unit or it's just the way the unit is.
First and foremost, there is very little restriction in the drag, like I am just sucking through a big straw. This is not a huge issue for me, but prefer some restriction and will try to alleviate using some of the methods people have posted here. The bigger problem is when exhaling there is barely any vapor. Literally close to nothing. Even if I just puff without inhaling, I can barely get anything to produce. After a prolonged session, I was able to see trace amounts, but nothing close to the clouds produced by some of the people in review videos I have watched. I can taste it and I eventually felt the effects after a prolonged session (and two chamber fulls), but it seemed to take a lot of effort. Is that how it is supposed to be? Some people talk about how little vapor there is, while others talk about the "phat hits" they get. I do not want to give you the impression that I am a "cloud chaser" by any means. But if I cannot produce a decent cloud by only puffing before inhaling, that indicates I am getting very little (or sometimes no) vapor when I do inhale and it seems inefficient. Also, it makes it difficult to judge when they herd is spent. Am I missing something?
The first time, my herb was ground very fine, so thinking perhaps it was too fine for good airflow, I tried a coarser grind, but experienced the same results. I am using the included measuring spoon to fill the chamber, so I don't think I am overfilling. Temperature wise, I have tried everything between 350-400. Since it is virtually new, I have not done any cleaning yet and don't think it is necessary at this point.
Thoughts and advice would be appreciated.
Thanks!
My girlfriend bought me the NO2 for my birthday after considerable research. We are ecigarette converts and the NO2 was the next step in an all vape lifestyle.
So far, I have only used it a few times and I have mixed feelings on it so far. I read through just about this entire thread looking for information, but I am now officially overloaded with info, some of it conflicting, and am having trouble making heads or tails of it. This is the first and only vaporizer I have ever tried, so I am not sure what expectations I had going into it, but wanted to see if I am doing something wrong, there is something wrong with the unit or it's just the way the unit is.
First and foremost, there is very little restriction in the drag, like I am just sucking through a big straw. This is not a huge issue for me, but prefer some restriction and will try to alleviate using some of the methods people have posted here. The bigger problem is when exhaling there is barely any vapor. Literally close to nothing. Even if I just puff without inhaling, I can barely get anything to produce. After a prolonged session, I was able to see trace amounts, but nothing close to the clouds produced by some of the people in review videos I have watched. I can taste it and I eventually felt the effects after a prolonged session (and two chamber fulls), but it seemed to take a lot of effort. Is that how it is supposed to be? Some people talk about how little vapor there is, while others talk about the "phat hits" they get. I do not want to give you the impression that I am a "cloud chaser" by any means. But if I cannot produce a decent cloud by only puffing before inhaling, that indicates I am getting very little (or sometimes no) vapor when I do inhale and it seems inefficient. Also, it makes it difficult to judge when they herd is spent. Am I missing something?
The first time, my herb was ground very fine, so thinking perhaps it was too fine for good airflow, I tried a coarser grind, but experienced the same results. I am using the included measuring spoon to fill the chamber, so I don't think I am overfilling. Temperature wise, I have tried everything between 350-400. Since it is virtually new, I have not done any cleaning yet and don't think it is necessary at this point.
Thoughts and advice would be appreciated.
Thanks!
z9
Well-Known Member
Welcome to FC!
First and foremost, how is the quality of your bud? Lower quality produces less vapor while higher quality buds produce more vapor.
Don't pack the bowl tightly, just barely push it down. Restriction is normal and is actually critical to the performance of the vape. Experiment with different draw speeds, as this can affect the performance. One bowl has always been enough to get me and a friend medicated.
The vapor should be visible, especially over the 350F threshold. Does your herb look toasted after a session? ABV should be brown and crispy.
First and foremost, how is the quality of your bud? Lower quality produces less vapor while higher quality buds produce more vapor.
Don't pack the bowl tightly, just barely push it down. Restriction is normal and is actually critical to the performance of the vape. Experiment with different draw speeds, as this can affect the performance. One bowl has always been enough to get me and a friend medicated.
The vapor should be visible, especially over the 350F threshold. Does your herb look toasted after a session? ABV should be brown and crispy.
Vitolo
Vaporist
Be sure there is NO buildup of ABV on the small top screen.
It is best brushed well after every use. (you said you have not done any cleaning.. and I thought I would throw that in.)
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
If you've just started vaping over combustion It can take a little while to make the transition . When I've shared my NO2 with people who never vaped before they've had the same results as you . If your herb is brown after a session As z9 asked about , the NO2 is working . Getting used to a slower draw speed for vapin' can take a handfull of sessions to get the results you want . If you take a very hard fast hit like you do when your smoking I find you lower the temp of the herb and produce less vapor . For me a long slow draw works best .
To add to vitos post I've also found that not overfilling the chamber by only using a scoops worth of herb will help keep the top screen cleaner , If I brush it off after each bowl I don't have the constant problem of the clogged up top screen . I wish you the best of luck and happy Vapin' .
Thanks for getting back to me, guys.
Well, the bud is not the best, but it is not total shit either. It's pretty dry, however, not sure if that is a factor. I am loosely packing the herb as instructed. I measure in the spoon, pour it in and tap the side until it falls in loosely. It does come out toasted, so it is clearly being spent.
Ha, sorry, when I said I have not done any cleaning, I meant there was no resin-like buildup anywhere blocking anything yet, so have not done a true cleaning on it. Tried it for the first time last night, then again today. But I have been cleaning the screens with the brush after use as indicated.
However, RUDE BOY, you are on to something. Tried it out again while writing my reply (sidenote: I love the hands free operation of this thing while I type). I took a few pulls of varying durations, leaving some time in between, and discovered that a long slow even 10 sec draw was producing better results. Then I raised the temp a few times and at 390, I was getting more of what i expected.
The key really is to inhale slowly. Seems like the air/vapor ratio is more even, while doing it fast gets me more air than vapor. I was used to the quick hit of combustion, sucking in a mouthful before inhaling, but with these you are drawing it directly into your lungs, just like taking a deep breath through a straw. Similar thing happened when I switched to ecig, you almost have to retrain yourself how to smoke, um I mean vape. You know what I mean.
Anyway, seems with some practice, this will work out great. Thanks for the quick advice, it's been helpful and I am really starting to like this NO2.
Well, the bud is not the best, but it is not total shit either. It's pretty dry, however, not sure if that is a factor. I am loosely packing the herb as instructed. I measure in the spoon, pour it in and tap the side until it falls in loosely. It does come out toasted, so it is clearly being spent.
Ha, sorry, when I said I have not done any cleaning, I meant there was no resin-like buildup anywhere blocking anything yet, so have not done a true cleaning on it. Tried it for the first time last night, then again today. But I have been cleaning the screens with the brush after use as indicated.
However, RUDE BOY, you are on to something. Tried it out again while writing my reply (sidenote: I love the hands free operation of this thing while I type). I took a few pulls of varying durations, leaving some time in between, and discovered that a long slow even 10 sec draw was producing better results. Then I raised the temp a few times and at 390, I was getting more of what i expected.
The key really is to inhale slowly. Seems like the air/vapor ratio is more even, while doing it fast gets me more air than vapor. I was used to the quick hit of combustion, sucking in a mouthful before inhaling, but with these you are drawing it directly into your lungs, just like taking a deep breath through a straw. Similar thing happened when I switched to ecig, you almost have to retrain yourself how to smoke, um I mean vape. You know what I mean.
Anyway, seems with some practice, this will work out great. Thanks for the quick advice, it's been helpful and I am really starting to like this NO2.
swizzmarvelous
New Member
What's good everyone. I'm brand new to the vaporizer game and I was hoping some of you distinguished prescribers of herbal remedies could put me on the path to a healthiest way to enjoy my medicine. I have the No2 Vapir which was given to me by a ex prescriber that wanted me to step my game up. I went into all of this butt naked so it's been all trial and error. I'm enjoying it so far but I ensure I'm getting the best performance out of my new toy.. Any help is welcome from temp to amount of medicine or to how many vapes I should get in one session. How do you know when it's done? I'm on board, I will never buy another cigar or wrap again!!! I still like the RAW papers tho
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First post and it has typos.... U can tell what my current state is"grooving" I want to ensure that I am getting the best performance possible! Excuse me guys...... I'm high
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Hoof Hearted
Vapesallday Industries
I don't have an No2 Vapir so I can't help you but I'm certain that many on here are willing to answer any questions if you be a little more specific.
And welcome aboard. I'm a newbie too. You won't find any better vaping advice than this site.
And welcome aboard. I'm a newbie too. You won't find any better vaping advice than this site.
swizzmarvelous
New Member
Good look, I hope so. Nothing worst than wasting bud
nkotb
Well-Known Member
I'm new too, but from what I've learned so far... "Done" is kind of relative. Everybody has different preferences (taste/effect/etc). Some people will vape until the herb is good and dark (but not combusted), while others might keep it a lighter brown. Especially if it's lighter-brown, you might consider saving the herbs that have been vaped and using them to make edibles. If it starts tasting like burnt popcorn, you probably want to switch it out for something fresher.