Iolite vaporiser

willieR

willieR

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I have a theory that they may have replaced original thermostat with lower temp to counter the problem. Maybe.

This portable vape is such a great concept, but I'm getting really, really tired of all of this. There should be a definitive solution from them. To date we have none, but I fear we have a growing level of deception from them.
 
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willieR

willieR

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This from Wikipedia: When one considers that there are at least 60 pharmacologically-active compounds in cannabis and that the aromatic terpenoids begin to vaporize at 126C, but the more bio-active cannabidiol (CBD), Cannabinol (CBN), and delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) do not vaporize until near their respective flash points: CBD 206.3C,[6] CBN 212.7C,[7] THC 149.3C[8] then it becomes apparent that the only way to get a full spectrum vapor inhalation is to extract and deliver rapidly from a small sample at a time. Because most commercial vaporizers are slow in extraction and delivery, the vapor inhaled is first aromatic, but only minimally active; and then as the plant material temperature rises, the vapor becomes increasingly bio-active, but minimally aromatic, because most of the aromatics have already been released.


This is interesting because if you could adjust temperature, you could theoretically dial in the type of buzz you wanted. Slightly lower temp is primarily THC. Slight increase and you start to incorporate more CBD and CBN

And I'm not sure what the temp is on these iolites. I looked at an old thread on another forum and someone said that the i-inhales were set to 190C. That seems perfect. But how do we know what the temp really is?
 
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Hippie Dickie

Hippie Dickie

The Herbal Cube
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yeah. i have noticed this effect myself and i have been thinking about having different "temperature profiles" - which control the heater temp vs time, based on cure of the bud and quality/type of strain, to get a better use of the active components.
 
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lime_joe

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hi everyone, i'm new to this forum. i just got my iolite vaporizer today and starting using it. it worked well at first, but my stem melted near the base and broke off. The base of the stem that broke off is still stuck in the herb chamber. anyone have suggestions on how i can remove the plastic mouthpiece that's stuck?
 
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willieR

willieR

Been here since 2009
lime. They all do this, apparently. Heat the unit back up so it's hot. This will soften the plastic in the metal threads. Insert something like a very small screwdriver or knife into the threaded area so it is embedded in the plastic. Then unscrew the remaining plastic. You should be good to go.

Curious if your plastic pieces have an "X" where the threads are?

It's important to only use the smallest plastic piece you have and use the rubber hose. Longer plastic will provide too much leverage when hot and the plastic softens to the point where it comes off.

After a session, remove the whole bowl + mouthpiece. Don't try and unscrew the mouthpiece as it may bend off. Instead, remove the whole bowl / cartridge assembly from the main unit and let cool.

There is no known fix from iolite. They're gracious enough to send as many replacements as you like, but both new and old mouthpieces come off.

Many people are working with iolite to find a more permanent solution.
 
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willieR

willieR

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Hippie Dickie said:
yeah. i have noticed this effect myself and i have been thinking about having different "temperature profiles" - which control the heater temp vs time, based on cure of the bud and quality/type of strain, to get a better use of the active components.
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I believe the temp control is a non-adjustable thing, even at the factory. Current version, that is.
 
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lime_joe

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Thanks willieR, I was able to remove the plastic by using the hand tool and unscrewing it since a little piece was still sticking out. Yes, my plastic pieces to have an "X" where the threads are. I'll definitely be sure not to unscrew the mouthpiece now. :) Unfortunately now my iolite is not lighting up...it was earlier though. :/
 
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willieR

willieR

Been here since 2009
lime,

The X means they're the new ones. Just curious.

As far as not lighting, did you just re-fill? This causes some air to be introduced and it needs to bleed off. Generally waiting 5 min takes care of that.
 
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lime_joe

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I was wondering if I had new ones are not also, but I guess they are new ones like you said. I'm surprised they heat up so easily.

Yep, I did just re-fill, so there probably is some air that needs to be released. I'll wait for 5 min and see what happens.
 
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willieR

willieR

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Hippie, you're meaning you have another vape that's adjustable? Like a Volcano?
 
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macbill

macbill

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I can certainly understand people's reluctance to physically modify their Iolite. However, the cost of a new stem chamber is around $20, and I suspect a metal shop might charge a lot more for making a stem, what with set-up costs, material cost, and labor. Better yet, someone buy a metric tool & die set, find the pipe, and cut and sell the stem units.

Or chance a mod such as mine.
 
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willieR

willieR

Been here since 2009
The iolite guy (he's not around much these days, is he :rolleyes:) previously mentioned that they would not offer a metal piece for fear of burning lips. A very real likelihood. So that's not a solution.

I don't see any commercial solution other than changing the plastic type altogether. And let's face it; as a company they are not going to ask for opinions, or admit there's an ongoing problem, or give us a clue about potential changes. This would have the possible effect of slowing sales as everyone waits for a real solution to ship.

But that's exactly where we are. They are shipping units knowing full well the problem is there. I'm hoping they will not consider something foolish like lowering the temp on new units. I have no basis for this thought, however.
 
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willieR

willieR

Been here since 2009
Mac, the metal could be expensive. I'll find out. And for the risk of $20, your solution kicks ass. And it may prove to be the best overall solution while we wait this out.

Lime, glad that puppy is working.

I still am in love with my unit. I'm a big fan and a big critic.
 
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djelimon

djelimon

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Out of curiosity, how long did you vape before your mouthpiece came off? How long did you wait for the chamber to heat up?

Trying to avoid the same problem is all...
 
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reece

reece

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djelimon said:
Out of curiosity, how long did you vape before your mouthpiece came off? How long did you wait for the chamber to heat up?

Trying to avoid the same problem is all...
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I have some mouth pieces that have been going strong since April. I had another that broke soon after I got the Ioliite (in April), probably a couple of weeks of use. Another that I got in July broke on my first use (I'm talking minutes). I don't know if there is any rhyme or reason.
 
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willieR

willieR

Been here since 2009
I believe they mentioned that the first batch of mouthpieces were lathed to get the threads = weaker

Then they molded the parts but there was a cooling issue = weaker

Then they molded them correctly = stronger.

The problem is no one has seen these super mouthpieces consistently, so we're left not knowing what to believe
 
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Hippie Dickie

Hippie Dickie

The Herbal Cube
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willieR said:
Hippie, you're meaning you have another vape that's adjustable? Like a Volcano?
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Willie - check out my thread on my Bud Toaster - digital adjustable, yes ... like a volcano, no -- no bag, it's a direct draw.
 
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macbill

macbill

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willieR said:
I believe they mentioned that the first batch of mouthpieces were lathed to get the threads = weaker
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Frankly, I bet molded ones are cheaper not stronger than individually threaded ones.
Why would molded ones be stronger? Perhaps a stupid analogy, but cut glass costs more than molded glass.

I modded mine because I travel, and I expect to bring my Iolite with me w/o problems. I feel I can travel now w/o worrying about the stem.
 
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djelimon

djelimon

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I picked the all black iolite in Toronto Hemp Company which apparently (having went to the website after I bought it) is the newest colour scheme, so likely it has the latest stuff. Been about a month now. I haven't used it for more than 20 minutes straight (which was plenty).


And there's always a rhyme or reason guys.

What did your vapor (assuming you got any) look like? Common evidence points to common cause.

It could be the company itself, but it doesn't hurt to look at all the variables no?
 
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shotgunwilly

shotgunwilly

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the stems that i got on ebay have no X... so, this is what im thinking.... the non X is molded, which makes it strong... well, at least so far, because ive tried two out of the pack i got on ebay and both are fine (well, so far anyways) the stems that broke had an X and came with a black unit which, in theory, is a "newer" model. im thinking the x is where the machine holds it to turn the threads... as far as it being stronger threaded, or molded, i just know that when ive threaded iron pipe, it makes the joint very weak because you are taking thin walled pipe and making it thinner....but regardless, the plus side is that the stem units do exist that work... but its a fucking crap shoot if you re going to get one... so far, ebay seems to have better reliability or quality control than the factory itself...:/ its just unfortunate how much frustration this is going to cause folks over the next year...:(
 
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ChuckRock

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I dont think Warehouse Goods on Ebay have any old ones left.As i got new bowl from them yesterday and it came with a newer style stem with the X.

:-(


Im now just waiting on it to snap.
 
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willieR

willieR

Been here since 2009
I get the distinct feeling that they will wind up blaming us as users stupidly breaking these things off. Obviously nothing could be further from the truth.
 
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Hahahaha

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I remember reading way back in this thread, or maybe another similar one, about how someone use a tool to measure the temperature of the chamber... Does anyone know what tool to use? I want to test my iolite, which i've had for about 6 months
 
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