thevapedcrusader
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hey 4:20- is that you tradhead?
Iolite vaporiser
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Hi,
Let s put it this way: I am looking for proofs that the Iolite is heathy . By healthy, I mean : healthier than smoking!
About the platinum, as said in my second post, I have suggested to not discuss this point anymore here as it is far to complex. Just know for yourself what a catalytic reaction is.
Let s stick to the monoxide released. I confirm: it does release significant amounts each time it heats up and reheats up....
You wrote:
``I doubt the amount of CO released is very high since catalytic reactions are very efficient. Almost all of the oxidation product of the butane is probably carbon dioxide (and water).. ``
In theory, like you, that s what I read about catalytic reaction on the internet, however, I did test the Iolite by myself and it does release significants amounts of CO from the start to the end of the catalytic reaction. And CO released by something else than what I put inside is absolutely unacceptable for a health conscious vaporist like me. I am doing my best to avoid combustion so it doens t produce any carbon monoxide and find unacceptable to have CO released by the vaporizer alone. Could be a product from germany, Canada or Zimbabwe, same rule apply, no CO in our vaporizers and no lead and any other poison.
Mark069, you declare yourself that the Iolate may release some CO, so, let s ask together to Iolate to measure the CO released in 20 minutes and publish this report here. Users will judge for themselves if that amount is acceptable for them or not.
You know, people smoke and don t mind ingesting 20mg of CO per cigarette, I do (mind) and repeat again: this is why I vaporize.
I am not trying to argue with anyone here, I only want to know: apart from what I put inside, how much CO is produce by the Iolite within 20 minutes of use. (quantity in mg) ?
Let s put it this way: I am looking for proofs that the Iolite is heathy . By healthy, I mean : healthier than smoking!
About the platinum, as said in my second post, I have suggested to not discuss this point anymore here as it is far to complex. Just know for yourself what a catalytic reaction is.
Let s stick to the monoxide released. I confirm: it does release significant amounts each time it heats up and reheats up....
You wrote:
``I doubt the amount of CO released is very high since catalytic reactions are very efficient. Almost all of the oxidation product of the butane is probably carbon dioxide (and water).. ``
In theory, like you, that s what I read about catalytic reaction on the internet, however, I did test the Iolite by myself and it does release significants amounts of CO from the start to the end of the catalytic reaction. And CO released by something else than what I put inside is absolutely unacceptable for a health conscious vaporist like me. I am doing my best to avoid combustion so it doens t produce any carbon monoxide and find unacceptable to have CO released by the vaporizer alone. Could be a product from germany, Canada or Zimbabwe, same rule apply, no CO in our vaporizers and no lead and any other poison.
Mark069, you declare yourself that the Iolate may release some CO, so, let s ask together to Iolate to measure the CO released in 20 minutes and publish this report here. Users will judge for themselves if that amount is acceptable for them or not.
You know, people smoke and don t mind ingesting 20mg of CO per cigarette, I do (mind) and repeat again: this is why I vaporize.
I am not trying to argue with anyone here, I only want to know: apart from what I put inside, how much CO is produce by the Iolite within 20 minutes of use. (quantity in mg) ?
By the way, here is an advertising by Iolite:
`` iolite Vaporizer Healthy and Completely Inert.
The catalytic conversion happens in an isolated chamber within the iolite Vaporizer so that butane can heat the unit but as it?s used it expels the butane as harmless water vapor through the escape ports located on the port of the unit.
Since the catalytic conversion on the iolite Vaporizer renders the butane completely inert as well as completely separating the reaction, there are no risks to your health. ``
They claim it s healthy, this is why I bought it...then checked it for temperature+ CO released and they seems to confuse CO and H2O in their advertising. Allow me to doubt their words.
` there are no risks for your health`
I say: we want proofs, numbers and the details of the studies.
Vapir also claims that they make the BEST VAPORIZERS IN THE WORLD! huh...
Shall we swallow that too?
`` iolite Vaporizer Healthy and Completely Inert.
The catalytic conversion happens in an isolated chamber within the iolite Vaporizer so that butane can heat the unit but as it?s used it expels the butane as harmless water vapor through the escape ports located on the port of the unit.
Since the catalytic conversion on the iolite Vaporizer renders the butane completely inert as well as completely separating the reaction, there are no risks to your health. ``
They claim it s healthy, this is why I bought it...then checked it for temperature+ CO released and they seems to confuse CO and H2O in their advertising. Allow me to doubt their words.
` there are no risks for your health`
I say: we want proofs, numbers and the details of the studies.
Vapir also claims that they make the BEST VAPORIZERS IN THE WORLD! huh...
Shall we swallow that too?
stickstones
Vapor concierge
4:20 -- I think we can table the what-if's until they respond to your inquiries and it is determined whether or not you have a defective unit. If your unit is defective then most of these concerns become moot. There is no need to re-post the same concerns here over and over again. Post it once, get the answer and move on. If the answer is slow in coming, then please wait patiently and enjoy other parts of the forum until some development worthy of posting occurs.
Progress
'Socratic Existentialist, MD'
4:20, I agree with some of the things touched upon by others. Your posts are beginning to make it seem like you have a vendetta against Iolite. It seems unfair to discuss the CO release issues without mentioning that your unit is broken (like you did in your most recent post). We all understand that CO is bad to inhale, and that you've stated that you have detected that your broken unit emits this gas. Your questions about distance between the glowing piezo and the herb chamber, as well as your attempt to compare Iolite's information to Vapir's (much mocked) marketing slogan, increase my impression that you may be some stooge sent to smear bad press around the Iolite. Should I be wrong about this, I hope to hear about some type of correspondence with Iolite regarding the possibility of such a malfunction (and preferably their findings when you send in your unit to be replaced/repaired). Until then (I dont intend to offend, but...), we have no way of knowing how true your story is.
Best of luck!
edit: Sorry for what appears to be a post-facto comment, but I was composing this while before you posted "OK" (also thank you for your understanding of our request to avoid unnecessary repetitiveness). I hope your issue gets resolved quickly and fairly!
I also want to link a potentially helpful post that has probably gotten burried in the posts discussing the CO levels, leak, and low temp of 4:20's unit, along with speculation that this could possibly apply to other units (although previously unreported afaik). Hope this helps (http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=22349#p22349)
Best of luck!
edit: Sorry for what appears to be a post-facto comment, but I was composing this while before you posted "OK" (also thank you for your understanding of our request to avoid unnecessary repetitiveness). I hope your issue gets resolved quickly and fairly!
I also want to link a potentially helpful post that has probably gotten burried in the posts discussing the CO levels, leak, and low temp of 4:20's unit, along with speculation that this could possibly apply to other units (although previously unreported afaik). Hope this helps (http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=22349#p22349)
stickstones
Vapor concierge
4:20 -- I just received an answer from Iolite to one of my questions; it took them 15 days to get back to me and I am a beta tester. I don't think this bodes well for a quick answer to your question. No matter how good or bad the product is, they are slow in responding to inquiries. Hopefully you will get an answer soon. For what it's worth, my reply to him included a mention of your problem.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
4:20 - I got another email from II. He is looking into the CO issue and said he will address here in a few days. I told him your username here in hopes you get some assistance.
I just picked up a iolite today, and it was my new favorite toy for a few sessions, now it won't light 
I made sure it was full of butane, allowed it to rest for 5 minutes. When I turn the unit on I get the familiar hiss, I push the button to activate the spark, and when I look at the little window I see a blue flash. I will do this 20 or so times and it's no longer going orange.
I guess I'll have to get it sent in
edit: I finally got it working, but won't know until tomorrow if this was just a fluke, or if it's still a little defective.
edit 2: Unit has been working great ever since the first fluke. Love this little guy!
I made sure it was full of butane, allowed it to rest for 5 minutes. When I turn the unit on I get the familiar hiss, I push the button to activate the spark, and when I look at the little window I see a blue flash. I will do this 20 or so times and it's no longer going orange.
I guess I'll have to get it sent in
edit: I finally got it working, but won't know until tomorrow if this was just a fluke, or if it's still a little defective.
edit 2: Unit has been working great ever since the first fluke. Love this little guy!
The_Algebraist
Well-Known Member
Could you give us the benefit of the doubt and describe what method you used to test the CO levels in the device or did you post a video?4:20 said:
Hi Algebraist,
The detector used is made by the company pollucorp.
here is what I could find on the internet about this device:
Using semiconductor technology and a microprocessor to analyze air, the unit features extremely high sensitivity and can detect down to one part per million (ppm) of carbon monoxide. This differs from standard household detectors, which generally can detect CO particulates down to approximately 25 parts per million. The semiconductor technology sensor has a lifespan of at least 10 years, according to Pollucorp. Other features of the Pollumetre include a large LCD screen with ...``
Cost 150 bucks and have been very useful. Concentrations of CO that I have measured are above 200 ppm when placed at 5cm (2 incches) of the Iolite. I didn t post a video yet.
The detector used is made by the company pollucorp.
here is what I could find on the internet about this device:
Using semiconductor technology and a microprocessor to analyze air, the unit features extremely high sensitivity and can detect down to one part per million (ppm) of carbon monoxide. This differs from standard household detectors, which generally can detect CO particulates down to approximately 25 parts per million. The semiconductor technology sensor has a lifespan of at least 10 years, according to Pollucorp. Other features of the Pollumetre include a large LCD screen with ...``
Cost 150 bucks and have been very useful. Concentrations of CO that I have measured are above 200 ppm when placed at 5cm (2 incches) of the Iolite. I didn t post a video yet.
The_Algebraist
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the info. Can you provide a little bit of context? Is this a test you did in a controlled environment, like a university lab, or was it done in a bedroom etc?4:20 said:
Not in a lab...Norml paid something like $20 000 for their waterpipe study.
I have tested the unit outside, in a environment that had a level of CO of 0ppm. As I said, unfortunately I can t quantify in mg the CO emitted in a fixed period of 20 minutes (to compare it with the 20mg of CO released by the combustion of a cigarette) .
What I know for sure is that it emits significantly high amounts of CO. (if you check in wikipedia or anywhere else on the net, you can clearly see that over 200ppm of CO detected is considered a very high level of CO.
And it concerns me when the source is just next to my nose. The carbon monoxide has over 200 times more chances to be caught by your blood compared to the oxygen itself (google: `carbon monoxide` to cross check my words).
I have a question for the members of FC: Do you think that
a/ the Iolate doesn t release any Carbon monoxide or
b/ do you think that Carbon monoxide is not a problem in a vaporizer?
I understood that ,following my recent posts, many were in doubt, but I don t exactly know if you doubt about the point a or point b.
I have tested the unit outside, in a environment that had a level of CO of 0ppm. As I said, unfortunately I can t quantify in mg the CO emitted in a fixed period of 20 minutes (to compare it with the 20mg of CO released by the combustion of a cigarette) .
What I know for sure is that it emits significantly high amounts of CO. (if you check in wikipedia or anywhere else on the net, you can clearly see that over 200ppm of CO detected is considered a very high level of CO.
And it concerns me when the source is just next to my nose. The carbon monoxide has over 200 times more chances to be caught by your blood compared to the oxygen itself (google: `carbon monoxide` to cross check my words).
I have a question for the members of FC: Do you think that
a/ the Iolate doesn t release any Carbon monoxide or
b/ do you think that Carbon monoxide is not a problem in a vaporizer?
I understood that ,following my recent posts, many were in doubt, but I don t exactly know if you doubt about the point a or point b.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
I think
A-we're starting to go down that road again, and
B-we're not gonna go there until we get the reply from II
A-we're starting to go down that road again, and
B-we're not gonna go there until we get the reply from II
Can you take some pics? The herb chamber on my unit is a solid piece of steel and the vapor path is completely sealed from the exhaust as far as I can tell.4:20 said:
I'm all for the type of testing you're doing but if you have a defective/damaged/broken unit let's make that clear and try not to get too ahead of ourselves here.
Not exactly, Stickstones, I would like to know if people doubt my claim about the CO released or if people think that CO present in a vaporizer is not a problem.
I d like to know what seems difficult to believe. The fact that a unit newly received might release some CO or is it the fact that CO is not really considered by members of FC as a big problem.
If it is proved (by tests in a lab) that NO carbon monoxide is released through the exhaust but only vapor of H2O (as advertised), then I will apology.
Concerning the carbon monoxide,If my unit is `broken`, I find it difficult for the user to know about it. I discovered that not because it was smelling, sounding or feeling something weird, I discoverd this by accident as I was doing my usual tests on a new vaporizer purchased for my own use.
I understand that you want proofs, I m just answering questions here. vtac write that the 2 chambers are completely sealed, hopefully it is the case for 99,99% of the iolites. Mine `looks` fine and I m just saying that it seems I have detected some Carbon monoxide and I personnally `doubt` that the chambers are efficiently sealed, calling for other users to check too and so far, a couple of users have reported no apparent leak.
I m sorry guys, I wish I didn t find this CO issue and just enjoy my new toy.
I d like to know what seems difficult to believe. The fact that a unit newly received might release some CO or is it the fact that CO is not really considered by members of FC as a big problem.
If it is proved (by tests in a lab) that NO carbon monoxide is released through the exhaust but only vapor of H2O (as advertised), then I will apology.
Concerning the carbon monoxide,If my unit is `broken`, I find it difficult for the user to know about it. I discovered that not because it was smelling, sounding or feeling something weird, I discoverd this by accident as I was doing my usual tests on a new vaporizer purchased for my own use.
I understand that you want proofs, I m just answering questions here. vtac write that the 2 chambers are completely sealed, hopefully it is the case for 99,99% of the iolites. Mine `looks` fine and I m just saying that it seems I have detected some Carbon monoxide and I personnally `doubt` that the chambers are efficiently sealed, calling for other users to check too and so far, a couple of users have reported no apparent leak.
I m sorry guys, I wish I didn t find this CO issue and just enjoy my new toy.
stickstones said:
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Don't get me wrong here 4:20. I don't doubt your tests or results at all. I simply think you have a defective unit and applying your results to a normally functioning unit don't apply. There is no need to go down this CO road until the status of your unit is determined.4:20 said:
I didn't go and reread your original post, but I thought you first had a problem with getting vapor or high temps at all, which led you to your other tests.4:20 said:
The_Algebraist
Well-Known Member
Looking forward to what II dude can provide info-wise.
Progress
'Socratic Existentialist, MD'
Please read my recent posts pertaining to this matter (both of your recent questions are addressed politely in at least two of them--if need be I will be more blunt with my comments).
IMO, it is unfair that you generalize your experience with the Iolite (low temperature detected, CO emissions detected, leak observed during use, etc.) to all Iolite units (especially when your issue has NEVER been reported before afaik, and has not been confirmed to be true by anyone but you
).Anyhow this repeated banter is getting quite redundant and frustrating. :/
I too look foreword to any insight Iolite can provide into this matter to clear up the mud puddle 4:20 seems to be trying to stir :/.
edit: I also want to link a potentially helpful post that has probably gotten burried in the posts discussing the CO levels, leak, and low temp of 4:20's unit, along with speculation that this could possibly apply to other units (although previously unreported afaik). Hope this helps (http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=22349#p22349)
smokeandskate
Well-Known Member
i went to home depot and i cant remember exactly the size but its like 3/8th or something like that
OK, so you dropped the platinum issue because you realized what you were saying about platinum being toxic was total bullshit but you won't drop the CO issue because we ALL know CO is a "dangerous" gas that can kill you, right?4:20 said:
Let's put this in perspective. When you start your car it's emitting anywhere between 1,000 and 10,000 ppms of CO but this rapidly goes to zero as the catalytic convertor heats up so your exposure is minimal (unless you put your nose right up against the tailpipe when you first start it).
When you FIRST start the I-inhale it's emittting between 200 and 500 ppms of CO according to you - maybe this is becuase your unit is defective, maybe not. I believe you yourself stated that ONCE THE UNIT IS WARMED UP this value drops. If that is the case, your exposure is probably negligable.
smokeandskate
Well-Known Member
i would just like to add how much i love this product. ive been hitin it for the past 15 minutes ove only 1 bowl getting nice clouds every hit, and its got me really high right now too. i swear by this product