Bongs, Joints and Brownies Are Old News -- ‘Dabs’ Are All the Rage Among Cannabis Consumers

Vicki

Herbal Alchemist
***Honestly, I would love to try dabbing with a vaporizer!! This article is implying it's really dangerous. Thoughts?

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/bongs...1086383.EivTgE&rd=1&src=newsletter814352&t=14

Bongs, Joints and Brownies Are Old News -- ‘Dabs’ Are All the Rage Among Cannabis Consumers

A single deep 'dab' inhalation has a stronger and faster psychoactive effect than any other delivery method can provide.

March 24, 2013

No one listening to the radio or watching TV in the ‘50s and ‘60s can ever forget the jingle, “Brylcreem, a little dab’ll do ya...” Brylcreem was a formulation of lanolin and grease that enabled men to comb their hair and have it stay in place. Hippie influence on the culture dramatically curtailed the demand for Brylcreem. Perhaps some entrepreneur in the cannabis industry should now buy the rights to the jingle, because “dabs” have become the latest rage in the administration of cannabis.

The popularity of high-THC “dabs” —also known as “waxes”— is largely a youthful and recreational phenomenon. The user inhales a small amount of vaporized and/or burned cannabis concentrate —a dab— that has been placed on a hot “nail” with a tiny spatula or needle. A single deep inhalation has a stronger and faster psychoactive effect than any other delivery method can provide. In other words, the user gets more stoned and the dabs provide a mild “rush.”

Some regular recreational users say that smoking the herb could no longer get them high —tolerance had built up— but the use of dabs restored their ability.

Pipes are now being designed with appendages for positioning the nail next to the waterpipe bowl so that the pipe is ready for a dab as the user inhales. The nail is heated with a torch. When the dab is placed on the nail it vaporizes immediately in one brief puff.

Recently I was on a panel devoted to dabs at a “Cannabis Cup” organized by High Times Medical Marijuana magazine in Richmond, California, and I learned about the technology from the experts.
Dab concentrates are made from oil extracted from cannabis plants by a solvent. The most widely used solvent is butane —better known, although not entirely accurately, as lighter fluid.
Butane is a petroleum product with a very high vapor pressure —it evaporates very quickly into the air once released from the can. When cannabis plant material is drenched in butane, its oils dissolve and can be captured in a container. Instantaneously, the butane evaporates leaving only the oil behind. There are real problems with this seemingly simple procedure.

Butane extraction is against the law. People are serving time in prison for using butane as an organic solvent. Butane is a fire and explosion risk because it is so highly flammable. Many people have been severely injured using butane to make cannabis oil extracts.

And “butane” isn’t just butane, it contains contaminants. Approximately 20% of the volatile fuel in a common “butane” lighter fluid is a combination of other hydrocarbons including benzene, ethyl mercaptan, heptane, hexane, and other toxic impurities.

These other hydrocarbons have a lower vapor pressure than butane. They don’t evaporate as readily and are likely to remain as residue in the extracted cannabis oil. When smoked or vaporized, the contaminants enter the body through the lungs. In general these chemicals are considered neurotoxins. Chronic exposure to low-grade butane extracts should be considered poisonous. If it smells like butane, don’t use it.

Higher grade butane (USP grade or laboratory-grade butane) is commercially available —supposedly— but according to the manufacturers on the High Times dabs panel, it is practically unobtainable.

Another risk in the dabbing procedure involves the “nail.” Any object that is heated with a torch to burn or volatilize the dab will gradually disintegrate. Metals such as steel, stainless steel, or titanium might seem inert, but in fact they flake off a layer of metal with the dab. Glass may be a better choice. Someone should do the research.

If an ultra concentrated extract were necessary, a pure ethanol extract would be a better choice, preferably vaporized with a temperature-controlled device.

One could argue that medical users might benefit from dabs to relieve excruciating pain, muscle spasm, or intractable vomiting for which they want immediate relief. If an ultra-concentrated extract were necessary, a pure ethanol extract would be a better choice, preferably vaporized with a temperature-controlled device.

To date dabs are a recreational phenomenon that has caught on mostly in urban America. At the time of publication only a few of my patients in rural Sonoma County have reported using —let alone benefiting from— this fashionable new delivery system. But my patients are not typical of the cannabis-using population, and it was apparent at the Emerald Cup held in Humboldt County in December, 2012, that the popularity of dabs is spreading rapidly, far and wide. time in prison for using butane as an organic solvent.

Butane is a fire and explosion risk because it is so highly.

Here is the link to the original article:

http://www.beyondthc.com/use-of-dabs-gaining-popularity/
 
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pakalolo

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Something wrong with this, the bottom looks like a mis-paste or something. Also, can we get a credit or link to the source? Apparently s/he's a doctor but that's all the article tells us.
 
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Vicki

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Something wrong with this, the bottom looks like a mis-paste or something. Also, can we get a credit or link to the source? Apparently s/he's a doctor but that's all the article tells us.

I forgot to put in the link to the article. I just edited the post and added that. I usually don't forget that, weird, sorry.

I copied and pasted this article exactly from the source, including that last sentence that is worded a bit weird. :)
 
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Vicki

Herbal Alchemist
I have been curious about something since I posted this article. Some of us are fortunate enough to have the new concentrate tray for our MFLB's, and more will have it soon when it is released from beta. When we are using our concentrate tray's, would that be considered dabbing?
 
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pakalolo

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I have been curious about something since I posted this article. Some of us are fortunate enough to have the new concentrate tray for our MFLB's, and more will have it soon when it is released from beta. When we are using our concentrate tray's, would that be considered dabbing?

Since most of his concerns centre around the use of butane for extraction then they apply to the concentrate tray. His nail concerns are irrelevant in this context.
 
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Spiderman

oil baron
I will like to note that this article fails to even mention purging extract, in which the extract is gently cooked over low heat to remove residual solvent. This is a fundamental part of any butane extraction process.

Also noteworthy, the array of butane qualities across the board is highly variable, although some brands are known to be quite low in contaminants of any type. MSDS sheets and such can be very useful in helping to determine this, and some lower tech users have been known to employ a "mirror-test" (spray a dime sized drop of butane onto a mirror, let it evaporate, look at the leftover gunk) to compare butanes from different manufacturers to each other.

Any extract maker I know is well aware that safe extraction is responsibility that must be treated with the utmost respect.

Medical grade titanium is called such because it is used surgically, such as bone-screws, plates, etc. Generally, titanium has a high biocompatability.

Home torches rarely exceed 2500*F, which is far below the melting point of Titanium at 3000*F. Even then, a home torch would have extreme difficulty heating a given piece of titanium to that 2500*F mark, for reasons that thermodynamics experts can probably explain far better than I ever could.


There certainly are dangers involved with extract making...lets focus on teaching responsible understanding, not scare tactics.
 
the article said:
To date dabs are a recreational phenomenon that has caught on mostly in urban America. At the time of publication only a few of my patients in rural Sonoma County have reported using —let alone benefiting from— this fashionable new delivery system.
This is an outright falsehood, except the part about the practice being more prevalent around population centers. The lazy author should take a gander at a menu from a medical provider. I'm not sure why they feel that what goes on in rural areas is a barometer of anything.
 
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SSVUN~YAH

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Dry ice method is a much safer alternative! Wear gloves...
 
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I wonder what sources the author of this article used, if he used any at all....
 
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So are all those waxes, yellow and brown, that they sell in little clear plastic gram cases in the dispensaries, made with butane? I have been wondering about this. For a long time I thought those were ice water extracted but they taste rather different from some water hash I made myself.
 
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OO

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This article has very little in the way of fact, I tend to disregard literature from those who make such inaccurate statements as the ones made in this piece.
 
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Quetzalcoatl

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So are all those waxes, yellow and brown, that they sell in little clear plastic gram cases in the dispensaries, made with butane? I have been wondering about this. For a long time I thought those were ice water extracted but they taste rather different from some water hash I made myself.
wax/oil/bho is butane-based (as far as the solvent used goes.) butane has a low boiling point so it isn't too much of a problem getting rid of it. depending on the brand of butane, some also have propane in them as a propellant. the same propane used as a propellant in the food industry, as i understand. bubble hash is made with water and no solvent (nothing is dissolved in anything, the trichs just get knocked off instead of saturating butane.) it's not hard to make quality bho, the most important parts of it are being as safe as possible and doing a proper purge.

this is bho

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this is bubble hash

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Gunky

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The article is terrible but it does point up the crying need for full legalization so all of this gets sorted out and we don't end up poisoning ourselves with concentrates containing impurities.
 

Vicki

Herbal Alchemist
I have to admit, I am totally ignorant when it comes to dabbing, but that is probably obvious by now. I want to thank the people of this thread for educating me. :)
 

luchiano

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I wonder how would dabs effect people health in the long run?.

Taking in so much cannabinoids, at one time, in such a fast pace, makes me wonder how will the health of people be down the line. I don't thinks it's a problem once in a while for some fun, but consistently, I don't know. Being that cannnabinoids are a necessity to keep our health intact, I don't think it is good to keep bombarding your receptors all the time with such a high amount for cannabinoids at one time, especially if you are sedentary, and don't eat healthy whole foods to keep your system healthy.

I love cannabis, but not enough to experiment with my health. Vaping, and eating, herb/concentrates in small amounts, while doing consistent exercise(resistance&cardio) is good enough for now.
 

Gunky

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I've never done it and would like to try dabbing. Recently I have used ice water extraction with bubble bags a couple times and I am thinking in future I will avoid waxes made with solvents like butane. Even a novice like me with a couple of buckets, a $30 set of bags and a $20 hand mixer from Walmart and lots of ice, home-made with filtered water, can make better tasting hash than most of the waxes you find at dispensaries. Those waxes are strong alright but the taste is so-so and the effects somehow duller, less clear, more sedative than euphoric compared to the water hash I made. It's a lot of work but the product is good and I am only using pure, food-grade ingredients.
 

Buildozer

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its a shame how almost all dispensaries iv'e been to fail when it comes purged bho.. i can't believe they are allowed to sell that shit.. good purged bho should be super smooth w/ only lung tingle and flavor.. not like that shit that makes you cough up a lung in the wrong way.. if it isn't super smooth then it likely isn't purged enough. my friend used to always use the hand pump vac.. but now he has a polycarbonate vac chamber and an electric vac pump that kicks ass.. and a hell of a lot faster ha.. the electric pump takes it to that sweet spot where it purges awesome.

edit: hitting good BHO dry in the launch box is even smooth IMO
 

CG420

Over the horizon u can see the edges of the Earth
You said you wanted to try dabbing with a vaporizer. Order yourself a Cera and I guarantee you it's just as the same as dabbing into a nail or skillet. You save quite a lot of money on oils and waxes if you have one. I don't even go through a gram in one whole week of having the Cera and I just got it last Saturday.
 

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
I wonder how would dabs effect people health in the long run?
More susceptible to Cannabinoid Withdrawal Syndrome and Cannabis/Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. Shoots your tolly up if you're dabbing more than what you "need." Whatever side effects you get from unpurged/improperly purged batches.

That's not to say that the second you dab you're screwed, but if you go from vaping .1g of flower to dabbing .1g of concentrate there's a difference in cannabinoid content there for sure. It's like a shot of Jack or a shot of Everclear I guess you could say?

On the earlier topic of CWS/CHS, though, some of us here don't have the privilege of not using stronger forms of cannabis. People with chronic pain and other ailments that need that big hit of cannabinoids as soon as possible. It's a trade-off that only each person can consider for themselves.

its a shame how almost all dispensaries iv'e been to fail when it comes purged bho.. i can't believe they are allowed to sell that shit.. good purged bho should be super smooth w/ only lung tingle and flavor.. not like that shit that makes you cough up a lung in the wrong way.. if it isn't super smooth then it likely isn't purged enough. my friend used to always use the hand pump vac.. but now he has a polycarbonate vac chamber and an electric vac pump that kicks ass.. and a hell of a lot faster ha.. the electric pump takes it to that sweet spot where it purges awesome.

edit: hitting good BHO dry in the launch box is even smooth IMO
DEFINITELY agreed. If I go to a new collective and I don't know their standards on oil I'll always go for bubble hash/regular hash/kief instead. I've seen the sizzling stuff too many times to be comfortable just going wherever.
 

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More susceptible to Cannabinoid Withdrawal Syndrome and Cannabis/Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. Shoots your tolly up if you're dabbing more than what you "need." Whatever side effects you get from unpurged/improperly purged batches.

That's not to say that the second you dab you're screwed, but if you go from vaping .1g of flower to dabbing .1g of concentrate there's a difference in cannabinoid content there for sure. It's like a shot of Jack or a shot of Everclear I guess you could say?

On the earlier topic of CWS/CHS, though, some of us here don't have the privilege of not using stronger forms of cannabis. People with chronic pain and other ailments that need that big hit of cannabinoids as soon as possible. It's a trade-off that only each person can consider for themselves.

I don't necessarily think taking .1 gram of a concentrate is bad in itself, I just don't think it's healthy to do that in one quick hit all the time. You aren't giving your body time to process all those cannabinoids, which may cause it to think the smoke/vapor is an irritant, and treat it as such. Overtime you may develop problems from this. If your body does this with foods that are absorbed quickly, and eaten in high amount like low fiber, high sugar foods, I don't see why it's different with cannabis. If someone is using cannabis for medical reasons, I really think they should look into learning how to ingest it for consistent relief, maybe healing, and vaping for quick relief. Concentrates are so high in oils, that I don't think it's good to be ingesting those burned oils all the time, and some will be burned due to dabbing requiring a high temperature(AT LEAST 420f) to boil off everything quickly. The oils that give flavor start to burn at temperatures of 200f-275f. Some even lower. With bud this isn't that much of a problem due to being low in percentage on the plant fibers, but concentrates are much different.

Now if they used a vaporizer that was accurate in temperature, and allowed them to go from low to high in temperature, which allows the oils to not become degraded into other compounds which may cause health problems, then I don't see a problem with that. One reason is being that they are inhaling slowly, they might not need as much as they think, which will help keep things in balance in their body. Which makes me ask a question. Why don't medical users vape before they feel pain, so they won't need a quick large hit to dull the pain they may have?. It seems that using small amounts from the beginning of the day, and just vaping throughout the day when you eat your meals, will provide better results then just using when the pain hits. I would think keeping your inflammation low consistently is better then allowing it to build up, and trying to calm it down all at once.

IDK, just something I wondered, because when I vape like that I get more enjoyment out of herb, and I wonder if that can help with people who use it for medical reasons.
 
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t-dub

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Which makes me ask a question. Why don't medical users vape before they feel pain, so they won't need a quick large hit to dull the pain they may have?. It seems that using small amounts from the beginning of the day, and just vaping throughout the day when you eat your meals, will provide better results then just using when the pain hits. I would think keeping your inflammation low consistently is better then allowing it to build up, and trying to calm it down all at once.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I do exactly what you describe, however, we chronic pain patients must also manage what is called "Breakthrough" pain. Pain is not static, it ebbs and flows like a sine wave, inflammation does as well. I refuse to use oils because I feel solvent based concentrates are unnatural and can lead to harm. Thats why the Cloud is so important, I get medical grade relief with flowers and I can do some water hash as well. Also, nausea can onset quite suddenly and from nowhere. This requires a rapid response to avoid vomiting, or if in a restaurant, being able to even eat.
 

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Oftentimes chronic pain patients that use opiates for managing their pain will get two different drugs, a strong one at low doses and a medium-tier narcotic in small-medium doses for the breakthrough pain. For example, when I wake up in the mornings, I'm already in pain. Something like 5-10mg of methadone a day and then 5-10mg Percocets for the pain that the methadone doesn't help with isn't too uncommon (edit: this isn't what I take, just an example.)

Waking up is always hard because I don't know how bad it will be, some days I wake up in so much pain I can't get out of bed until I vape, but other days I'm not hurting so bad and don't have to go for the nail. I only wish I could vape in my sleep, too :cry:
 

Spiderman

oil baron
To those nervous about the possiblity of "overindulging"...

Like with any form of ingestion, dosage is everything. A .1 gram oil hit is quite a large dab to most, and in fact even a .01 gram oil hit will set most non-oilers back pretty heavily. I have often marvelled at the efficacy of even the absolute tiniest of dabs, for those who have low tolerances. It has been my experience that with dabbing, its quite easy to carve off the exact dosage size you need, medicate quickly and efficiently, and then go about your business as normal. Less time spent sitting or standing around getting medicated, more time spent pleasantly enjoying your day.

I should note that it has also been my experience that edibles are a far quicker way to ruin a tolerance than any other form of medication. As far as oil building tolerance, it does to a degree, but only so far as you spend your days trying to stay at the absolute limit of being incredibly stoned. I've been dabbing about 6 years and my hit size is not appreciably bigger, nor is my rate of oil consumption.

Tolerance should be managed personally. Its not the weed forcing your tolerance up, its you.
 

OO

Technical Skeptical
Oftentimes chronic pain patients that use opiates for managing their pain will get two different drugs, a strong one at low doses and a medium-tier narcotic in small-medium doses for the breakthrough pain. For example, when I wake up in the mornings, I'm already in pain. Something like 5-10mg of methadone a day and then 5-10mg Percocets for the pain that the methadone doesn't help with isn't too uncommon (edit: this isn't what I take, just an example.)

Waking up is always hard because I don't know how bad it will be, some days I wake up in so much pain I can't get out of bed until I vape, but other days I'm not hurting so bad and don't have to go for the nail. I only wish I could vape in my sleep, too :cry:
You can always ingest before sleep. When you wake up, some effects should still linger (this depends on the length of the sleep).
 
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