Which vape for MS patient?

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Buddy951

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Hey all, new to the site. Wife has MS and cannabis provides relief for her pain and muscle spasms. She has some lung issues so we thought vaping would be better for her lungs. Did a lot of research and thought the Cloud would be the best vape for her. Turns out she doesn't have the lung capacity to draw deep and long enough to produce much vapor and what vapor she does inhale doesn't do much for her symptoms.

Questions:

I am thinking that I need a vape with a fan like Extreme or Volcano? Suggestions?

Anyone know if vaping with the right vape will provide same type of medicating relief as smoking?
 
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shredhead

shredhead

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She could like a log vape like Underdog. Check them out. Low amounts of herb and slow draw, easy to hook up to water just like the vapexhale cloud. Also look at the solo( which is made by the same people as the Extreme Q).
 
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Bon Dog

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http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-amazing-vapor-lung.7526/

this may help. once filled the vapor, it does not require a large inhale. it can be sipped if that is neccicary. i enjoy using these, iv never done it with a cloud but i imagine it would be the best for it lol

imo the key to the 3rd lung is keeping everything airtight

edit: if the cloud turns out to not be a fit im sure you can put it up in the classified section (hehe i have been watching for the same thing) but i'm fairly sure the cloud+3rd lung will do the trick
 
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JCat

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Have you made sure to warm up the Cloud sufficiently first? (10+ minutes ... if it's the newer one that turns green in about 2-3 minutes, then it should be ready to go if you heat it at the 3 o'clock position for about 10 minutes ... 15 if you want to be safe ... if it's the original one with the longer heat up time, then 15-20 minutes would be recommended to get to the desired temperature).

As well, you might want to actually crank the heat all the way to the top ... especially as your wife gets used to vaping instead of smoking. The lack of relief could be due to not releasing the higher temp compounds, but if you just turn the vape temperature up a bit, and make sure to let it heat sufficiently, you'll probably find you can get the same effects.

I could offer you other recommendations for vapes with less free air flow ... but as long as the Cloud is sufficiently heated it should work great even with smaller lighter pulls (as with most vapes ... when I owned an Extreme I found it took a good 15 minutes to be fully warmed up as well)

I don't know how much time you have spent experimenting with technique for the Cloud ... but it can make a difference.

Hope that helps some ... I'm sure some other members will chime in with their 2 cents as well :)
 
Stu

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If she doesn't have the lung capacity to draw deep, then maybe a good bag vaporizer would be best for her. She could just sip on a bag of vapor at her own pace.

The Volcano is the industry standard for bag vapes, but it's pricey. For some people it may be the best option, though.

:peace:
 
Bon Dog

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Stu said:
If she doesn't have the lung capacity to draw deep, then maybe a good bag vaporizer would be best for her. She could just sip on a bag of vapor at her own pace.

The Volcano is the industry standard for bag vapes, but it's pricey. For some people it may be the best option, though.

:peace:
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i figure since he already has the cloud he can prob fill better bags with the 3rd lung than the cano
 
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Buddy951

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Thanks for the quick responses.

shredhed: I will look at Underdog and solo.

Bon Dog: the lung contraption is a good idea, not sure how I would fill it using the Cloud. I like the Cloud but if it doesn't work for her I may end up selling it and buying something else.

JCat: good ideas. I have played with all the temp settings. Max temp tastes burned but may be best for her. I found if I wait a few more minutes after it turns green it seems to be a little hotter. I have the new model as it only takes a short amount of time to heat up. I will try the higher temps with her and see if that works any better.

Stu: I am leaning towards a forced air vape. The volcano is pricey and I am reluctant to spend that much money not knowing how well it will work for her. Looking at an Extreme Q as a possibility.
 
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Stu

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Maconheiro
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The EQ is a solid unit. Forced air, direct draw or bags, you have options. The only reason I'd opt for a Volcano over the EQ is if I was only getting it for the bags. The EQ doesn't have a valve system for it's bags, so it's less than optimal for a bag user.

Best of luck to you!

:peace:
 
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Bon Dog

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Buddy951 said:
Thanks for the quick responses.
Bon Dog: the lung contraption is a good idea, not sure how I would fill it using the Cloud. I like the Cloud but if it doesn't work for her I may end up selling it and buying something else.
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if you look how the poster, in my link, attached a GonG adapter to the bottle cap. i belive you could do the same thing with the GonG, "buissness end", of your cloud.
 
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Buddy951

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Bon Dog: Thanks. I read through a bunch of posts on the link you sent and I think this will work. I just need the right adapter. I will see if the lung is mentioned in the Cloud thread. Now I just need a bottle, bag and an adapter. (Have the tape)
 
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SD_haze

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Buddy951 said:
Bon Dog: Thanks. I read through a bunch of posts on the link you sent and I think this will work. I just need the right adapter. I will see if the lung is mentioned in the Cloud thread. Now I just need a bottle, bag and an adapter. (Have the tape)
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Was she using the Vapexhale only with a hydratube? You might want to try the hydratube without any water at all. Minimal restriction with the maximum smoothness to the draw. That with a higher temp setting (12:30 to 2:30pm perhaps) might do the trick.

With lower temperature settings the vape requires some drawing before vapor is produced.
At the higher settings the vapor pretty much jumps out instantly.
 
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Buddy951

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SD_haze; Good idea! We have only tried it with water. We have the Swagger Showercap Hydra Tube.
 
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Bon Dog

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Buddy951 said:
Bon Dog: Thanks. I read through a bunch of posts on the link you sent and I think this will work. I just need the right adapter. I will see if the lung is mentioned in the Cloud thread. Now I just need a bottle, bag and an adapter. (Have the tape)
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I remember someone in the link saying something abouts some posts regarding the lung in the cloud thread but I could never find the posts... But I didn't look that hard lol (don't own a could yet lol)
 
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teresa

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Have you considered using edibles instead? I have a friend that has diminished lung capacity and they get a lot of relief from edibles.
 
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stickstones

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I can think of other vapes that your wife might like, but I think you will be better served playing more with your Cloud. I think jcat is right on the money and the vapor lung is a cheap way to see if you like bags, as well keeping you playing with your Cloud. I think letting the Cloud heat up more will be your best bet. Mine heats up in about five minutes, but I always give it at least another five. Sometimes I will wait thirty minutes if i want to use a strain that really likes the higher temps (mine heats up slower than yours, btw).
 
kingofnull

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SD_haze said:
Was she using the Vapexhale only with a hydratube? You might want to try the hydratube without any water at all. Minimal restriction with the maximum smoothness to the draw. That with a higher temp setting (12:30 to 2:30pm perhaps) might do the trick.
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Exactly what I was going to suggest. You could also try the Cloud glass mouthpiece, or any other similarily jointed GonG mouthpiece. My guess is that the water filtration produces too much drag for her lungs. But on direct draw the Cloud should have pretty much the easiest draw, right?
 
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SD_haze

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kingofnull said:
Exactly what I was going to suggest. You could also try the Cloud glass mouthpiece, or any other similarily jointed GonG mouthpiece. My guess is that the water filtration produces too much drag for her lungs. But on direct draw the Cloud should have pretty much the easiest draw, right?
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Unless the ELB is dirty. That can be a major choke-point.
 
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JCat

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stickstones said:
I can think of other vapes that your wife might like, but I think you will be better served playing more with your Cloud. I think jcat is right on the money and the vapor lung is a cheap way to see if you like bags, as well keeping you playing with your Cloud. I think letting the Cloud heat up more will be your best bet. Mine heats up in about five minutes, but I always give it at least another five. Sometimes I will wait thirty minutes if i want to use a strain that really likes the higher temps (mine heats up slower than yours, btw).
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I think the longer heat up time to saturate the Cloud's bamboo with heat is necessary if you want to produce higher temp vapor quickly and effortlessly. With my new Cloud+ I find it still takes a good 10+ minutes for full warm up although you can vape starting after 3-4 minutes (but it will take longer to get thicker vapor, will take more to finish a bowl, and will never produce as thick vapor as a fully heat saturated Cloud). ... just as an FYI ... I found the same thing with the EQ ... if you wanted to get smoother vapor you couldn't just vape at a really high temp, as that would make it harsh although would produce quicker ... I found that heat saturating the cyclone bowl for 15+ minutes on the EQ and was then able to get thick vapor at moderate temperatures.
 
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Bon Dog: I found this in the Cloud thread about the lung: "For the cloud you'd need to use a 14-18mm expander adapter (either in the vapor lung instead of the 18-14reducer, or just inserted into the reducer) or some other way of getting an 18mm female gong joint on it."

teresa: I would prefer to use edibles but I don't live in a med state and the wife won't let me grow so the quality and quantity is very limited. I have been trying to move to a med state for a while and just had my latest job opportunity fall through. Still trying.

stickstones: I agree with you. I spent a lot of money on this vape so I will keep playing with it based on the suggestions and I like the lung idea just have to track down the adapter.

kingofnull: I don't have another mouthpiece only the Hydra Tube but leaving the water out should really help.

SD_haze: The ELB looks brand new since I clean it with ISO after each use.

JCat: Good point. I also found that even though the light turned green, if I waited a little longer it gets hotter. Ten minutes is a good idea.
 
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Buddy951

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Is this the adapter I need for the lung for the Cloud? 14-18mm expander.

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Bon Dog

Bon Dog

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Buddy951 said:
Bon Dog: I found this in the Cloud thread about the lung: "For the cloud you'd need to use a 14-18mm expander adapter (either in the vapor lung instead of the 18-14reducer, or just inserted into the reducer) or some other way of getting an 18mm female gong joint on it."

teresa: I would prefer to use edibles but I don't live in a med state and the wife won't let me grow so the quality and quantity is very limited. I have been trying to move to a med state for a while and just had my latest job opportunity fall through. Still trying.

stickstones: I agree with you. I spent a lot of money on this vape so I will keep playing with it based on the suggestions and I like the lung idea just have to track down the adapter.

kingofnull: I don't have another mouthpiece only the Hydra Tube but leaving the water out should really help.

SD_haze: The ELB looks brand new since I clean it with ISO after each use.

JCat: Good point. I also found that even though the light turned green, if I waited a little longer it gets hotter. Ten minutes is a good idea.
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I think(this is just one engineer trying speculate about things he hasn't held in a while) but I think you can forego the adapter if you use a bottle with a large enough cap.
Also I just came up with an improvement for the lung. Are you familliarwith a 18.8mm whip adapter for a waterpipe? (It is difficult for me to find links b/c I'm at my gmother's Casa so no comp) anywho, after the lung is filled and the cloud removed you could attach thewhip using the adapter. This may or may not help with comfort when hitting.
Would love to know how the cloud fills the lung b/c I love using 1 with my mflb when I feel lazy lol. My theory for the longest time has been that thecloud will fill a bag like a beast!
 
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Buddy951

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Bon Dog: I think I will try using just the cap. What kind of bottle would be best to use? I will plan on using turkey bags. I found the whip adapter you mentioned online which would probably make it easier to hit. I will try to build the lung tomorrow and let you know how it goes.
 
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Bon Dog

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Well when I first started making them I used medium milk jug, but I didn't like it b/c the handle messed with-it (typing on my phone and its too many words and I just drove 6h lol) but you could go to thestore and browse the juice-and-other-liquids section. My personal preference would be something with about an inch wide cap and prob be about a liter. If it is too much volume just fill it up halfway, 3/4, etc. Once you find the optimal volume you can go get another vessel that has a volume closer to your (or your wife's lol, or one of each haha)
 
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Buddy951

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Bon Dog: The lung worked! The vapor wasn't very thick like I have seen in other videos but it drew the vapor and she was able to breathe it in from the bag. I followed others advice and let the Cloud heat up for 30 minutes and put it on a higher setting. She got some relief from her pain.

Thanks for the idea!
 
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