Arizer Solo

Yoshi

Yoshi

Woah
Dreamerr said:
That is getting done tomorrow if I can stand to wait that long. I wonder, but doubt it, if it will stop the little bit that gets through the holes :hmm:

I have to find the right size screen but I will cut if I have to.
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If the screen is fine enough it'll keep even kief out of the holes, but I only see my screen being able to keep any sized plant material (besides kief) from getting in. Huge reduction from regular particulate from getting in!

Edit: The size of DBV screens are .583in or 14.8mm in diameter.
 
Yoshi,
BalzaSteel

BalzaSteel

Active Member
just a side note on the o-ring thing, my MFLB has an o-ring touching the the heating element, if that's not a problem then the o-ring on glass isn't likely a problem either.

michaelstone said:
oh lol that sucks then....
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actually, the whole purpose of water filtration is to cool the vapor, all that water filters out is some of your cannabinoids, the glycerine tube cools your vapor without losing cannabinoids, making it a better deal if it does the job.

BalzOut
 
BalzaSteel,
Yoshi

Yoshi

Woah
BalzaSteel said:
just a side note on the o-ring thing, my MFLB has an o-ring touching the the heating element, if that's not a problem then the o-ring on glass isn't likely a problem either.



actually, the whole purpose of water filtration is to cool the vapor, all that water filters out is some of your cannabinoids, the glycerine tube cools your vapor without losing cannabinoids, making it a better deal if it does the job.

BalzOut
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They designed the MFLB so the heating element wouldn't touch the rubber o ring. The only parts that heat are the metal bars and the screen wires that run in between the two bars, not the wires perpendicular. I have this vaporizer as well and it doesn't produce anywhere close to the amount of heat the Solo produces (i.e. I feel safe touching the screen 10 seconds after releasing the battery versus 5-10 minutes for the Solo to completely cool down), so they could put that ring in.
 
Yoshi,
olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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The screen trick seems to work great! I only have the 1/2" screens (ebay 100 pack) for the stems so it doesnt fit in the bowl perfectly but its bigger than the diameter of the stem so it still keeps it off the floor of the bowl. I put two screens in for now.

I am unable to hit with flower right now (studying) but trying it dry seems to make a big difference in draw
 
BalzaSteel

BalzaSteel

Active Member
Yoshi said:
They designed the MFLB so the heating element wouldn't touch the rubber o ring. The only parts that heat are the metal bars and the screen wires that run in between the two bars, not the wires perpendicular. I have this vaporizer as well and it doesn't produce anywhere close to the amount of heat the Solo produces (i.e. I feel safe touching the screen 10 seconds after releasing the battery versus 5-10 minutes for the Solo to completely cool down), so they could put that ring in.
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the screen cools MUCH faster than all the glass in the solo because it is more conductive and has less mass, for example, when I burn off the screen on my glass pipe to clean it I heat it up red hot, and can touch it two or three seconds after, but when I smoke with the pipe the glass bowl stays hot for a couple minutes.

the oring in my mflb touches the screen about 3 mm (1/8") from the brass rods, and yes, it does touch, just checked with a 45x magnifying glass.

I've never heard anybody complain of combustion with the solo, the MFLB on the other hand can and does cause combustion if one isn't careful, unless yours is defective you must have singed at least one trench of herb while you were learning to use it so ya know what I mean, so I'm not sure what ya mean by less heat with the MFLB.

BalzOut
 
BalzaSteel,
Yoshi

Yoshi

Woah
BalzaSteel said:
the screen cools MUCH faster than all the glass in the solo because it is more conductive and has less mass, for example, when I burn off the screen on my glass pipe to clean it I heat it up red hot, and can touch it two or three seconds after, but when I smoke with the pipe the glass bowl stays hot for a couple minutes.

the oring in my mflb touches the screen about 3 mm (1/8") from the brass rods, and yes, it does touch, just checked with a 45x magnifying glass.

I've never heard anybody complain of combustion with the solo, the MFLB on the other hand can and does cause combustion if one isn't careful, unless yours is defective you must have singed at least one trench of herb while you were learning to use it so ya know what I mean, so I'm not sure what ya mean by less heat with the MFLB.

BalzOut
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Hmm, the brass rods in the MFLB probably don't get any hotter than 200˚F, but the screen gets to more or less 375˚F after 4 seconds of holding in the battery. The Solo heats hotter than that inside because it's a convection unit, so at it's highest setting at 410˚F it's probably actually hotter than that on the stainless steel bowl. I could be wrong though. :hmm:
 
Yoshi,
pakalolo

pakalolo

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Yoshi said:
Hmm, the brass rods in the MFLB probably don't get any hotter than 200˚F, but the screen gets to more or less 375˚F after 4 seconds of holding in the battery. The Solo heats hotter than that inside because it's a convection unit, so at it's highest setting at 410˚F it's probably actually hotter than that on the stainless steel bowl. I could be wrong though. :hmm:
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The rods in the MFLB are not brass, they are stainless steel. The O-ring does not contact anything that heats up significantly. The screen between the rails can get a lot hotter than 375°F. I just measured it after 4 seconds with the PA on 100% and it read 502°F. 4 seconds with a Powerex 2700 reads 374.9°, just as you measured, but that will get hotter if you just hold the battery in.

I believe that Arizer didn't make the airflow in the Solo restrictive just for laughs. I feel pretty sure they experimented with various degrees of flow and chose the one they felt delivered the best performance. If the airflow feels restricted then the problem is that you're drawing too hard. This is true for any vapourizer.
 
kingofnull

kingofnull

ace
pakalolo said:
I believe that Arizer didn't make the airflow in the Solo restrictive just for laughs. I feel pretty sure they experimented with various degrees of flow and chose the one they felt delivered the best performance.
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I tend to agree on this.

pakalolo said:
If the airflow feels restricted then the problem is that you're drawing too hard. This is true for any vapourizer.
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But it doesn't necessarily mean they made the right choice. I greatly prefer the performance of the PVHES to stock Arizer stems, irrespective of vapor output. To be honest, I don't long for larger Clouds - particularly not on direct draw - with the Solo and PVHES/Turbo stems. But the less restricted airflow has of PVHES has absolutely improved my Solo experience. My glass percolates nicer and I can just breathe vapor in pretty freely on direct.

I also notice less conduction with the Turbo stems - whether or not that is actually desirable is open for interpretation, but I like it.

:shrug: :2c:
 
VaPeD&CoNfUsEd

VaPeD&CoNfUsEd

JoDa Glassworks
Glass Blower
I actually emailed Sam last night about making a mini hydrotube. 5inx1in. Like the pinnacle watertool. He usually emails me back at around midnight my time so I'll let you know later what he says.
 
kelper

kelper

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pakalolo said:
If the airflow feels restricted then the problem is that you're drawing too hard. This is true for any vapourizer.
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I've got one due to arrive tomorrow. I think what you say is true, but I hope it doesn't feel like I've got a plastic bag over my head or I will avoid it (at least until I can experiment with pvhes). The same reason I hardly touch my ioLite original - may be the intended design, but it's not for me. Hoping the Solo is not that bad.
 
kelper,
m0sh

m0sh

Singer Song Writer Stoner
Yoshi said:
I'd just like to go over my SS screen mod, as to increase airflow.

I found that tugging on this thing wasn't cutting it, and I have heard of tintest's SS disk mod so I thought I'd use my Da Buddha screen to raise the glass sitting on top of the holes. I haven't gotten to test it thoroughly, but it seems to increase airflow and have no negative impact on vapor production, so why not? :D

Here's a picture:

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So you're using this with a stock stem?
Because if you have PVHES - this is pointless...double screen ...
 
m0sh,
Dreamerr

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
I did it last night and it reduced the air flow with the pvhes so much that the session wasn't productive. I will try it with a stock stem to see. I love the idea of no more dirt but so be it if I end up not using it.
 
Dreamerr,
Bouldorado

Bouldorado

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Yoshi said:
I'd just like to go over my SS screen mod, as to increase airflow.

I found that tugging on this thing wasn't cutting it, and I have heard of tintest's SS disk mod so I thought I'd use my Da Buddha screen to raise the glass sitting on top of the holes. I haven't gotten to test it thoroughly, but it seems to increase airflow and have no negative impact on vapor production, so why not? :D
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I do this exact same thing. I found that when vape-bonging the weight of the solo creates a fairly tight seal against the heating chamber, greatly decreasing airflow. The screen fixes that completely, however it does trap some abv particles.
 
Bouldorado,
m0sh

m0sh

Singer Song Writer Stoner
Dreamerr said:
I did it last night and it reduced the air flow with the pvhes so much that the session wasn't productive. I will try it with a stock stem to see. I love the idea of no more dirt but so be it if I end up not using it.
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But why won't you put the second screen on the stem and not inside the heating chamber?????

I mean do a sandwich... this is what I do for the last ... year? (no dirt and good airflow)
 
Dreamerr

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Cause it is just a pain in the ass to do that every time. I try to do stuff in as little amount of steps as possible. Someone long ago had said to do that with the INH capsules and I just found it to be a pain. Yes, it would have kept my INH cleaner for sure cause stuff does go all the way through but it just isn't for me.

Good looking out Mosh.:)
 
Dreamerr,
olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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m0sh said:
But why won't you put the second screen on the stem and not inside the heating chamber?????

I mean do a sandwich... this is what I do for the last ... year? (no dirt and good airflow)
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Maybe im not understanding but are you suggesting that having the grid in the stem is better than leaving it in the chamber for airflow? Or do you mean to bend the screen over the bottom of the stem? If so wouldnt the clearance be too tight and likely make the screen fall off?
 
olivianewtonjohn,
m0sh

m0sh

Singer Song Writer Stoner
olivianewtonjohn said:
Maybe im not understanding but are you suggesting that having the grid in the stem is better than leaving it in the chamber for airflow? Or do you mean to bend the screen over the bottom of the stem? If so wouldnt the clearance be too tight and likely make the screen fall off?
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Just fill a stem and then close it up with another screen...it won't affect the airflow and the herb won't fall down.
 
olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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m0sh said:
Just fill a stem and then close it up with another screen...it won't affect the airflow and the herb won't fall down.
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I see. The original idea was for better airflow but now I see dreamer was talking about it keeping the flowers from falling on the SS bowl and thats what you were addressing. It does seem to make a difference for airflow with the stock stems.
 
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xman

xman

New Member
Well, my Solo which I got on sale lasted for five weeks and then started acting weird, neither charging properly, heating up, nor turning off, but flashing its lights in an uncharacteristic manner. My communications with Arizer as well as my dealer have so far been very positive and I expect a replacement in the mail in a week or two.

I tried smoking again, but after vaping for weeks I just can't do it. I was a smoker for 30 years and I'm totally converted to vaporizing now. Luckily I have a friends MFLB on loan which I can use if I want, but I'm trying to maintain a t-break until then. I don't know how successful I'll be because I rely on cannabis for pain control and associated anxiety. Today is day two.

On another note, since the smoke was so gross I decided to boil my stem in water and a tablespoon of butter which I cooled in the fridge and put on my toast the next morning. I stayed quite medicated all morning.
 
Dreamerr

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Yes ONJ I was only talking about the cleanliness of the bowl. I have zero airflow issues. Very recently I had an issue with it getting dirty that was hard to clean for the first time. So I figured I would try the screen. I think even with a screen a fine grind will go through the tiny holes but that is an easy shake out.

xman, you just separated the butter from the water and that was that? No actives end up in the water? I know oil and water don't mix but just checking on the herb actives.
 
Dreamerr,
xman

xman

New Member
The water and oil separate themselves, Dreamerr. If any actives end up in the water I'm sure it's minimal, just bits of butter or oil that I didn't manage to catch. THC and CBD are oil based and bond with the butter, separating from the water just like any other oil. Give it a try.
 
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