Discontinued Thermovape Cera

havealight101 said:

I agree, they don't owe us(the "howling mob") anything... Yup bit them in the ass huh, I concur. As for the "howling mob", they seem to have been quieted or moved on, lately(about the latest switch debacle) I've seen more constructive showings of dismay mainly in well thought out manners, even by guys who actually have a LL in hand. Yes, there are always the demanding few with "a heightened sense of entitlement", but they seem to be few and farther between lately.
You sure got a knack for making folks that want to voice their "entitled" opinions feel bad for doing so. Cheers...

Moving on, this is the last I'll speak of the ill fated latching switch.
I thought the grenade pin was a safety to keep people from loosing control. When that got switched to a pin instead of a switch, I thought to my self, "hey, at least we(LL users) have a latching switch on the bottom ehh", a guy can live with that. Now it seems the original product we saw Noah show off so well, has been compromised down to something that NEEds to be modded out of the box(hence the last two pages has turned into "how to mod the Cera switch" as opposed to the "cera thread"). I think and hope TET can come up with something to appease the lawyers, but I'm not holding my breath.
I would also like to reiterate a point I said yesterday, TET got way ahead of themselves with this launch!

There, my second(and last) post with my "heightened sense of entitlement" in this thread, I will stay on topic for now on. Topic: how to mod the Cera to work how we want.

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Well said havealight, you can't openly state your opinions on a product here mate...and only a select few are aloud to de-rail a thread slightly..."if your not on the list...you ain't coming in" syndrome.

I'm not knocking anyone or publicly talking about decisions or discussions made previously with anyone....merely communicating with a fellow member.

I'm just going to keep my gum in the bottom. Handy latching switch and tasty too

Wow that's a lot of posts to get caught up on!

First the latching switch: We are not perusing a latching switch at this time, we did not see any benefit by having it latching with the increased risk of leaving it turned on. This is the final word and for those of you who would consider that a deal breaker please contact us and we will refund your order.

For those of you who want to tinker on your Cera, the switch is a 19mm Panel mount, minimum 2Amp @ 36V, and no longer than 27MM.

We have the Thermal Sleeves in! They will go online ASAP

Cheers,
Tim

So switch switching would be ok warranty-wise, yes?

And what's modding the cera not got to do with posting in its thread? I don't recall anyone in the LB thread upset at trying to figure out how to make it vape oil...

Quetzalcoatl said:

So switch switching would be ok warranty-wise, yes?

And what's modding the cera not got to do with posting in its thread? I don't recall anyone in the LB thread upset at trying to figure out how to make it vape oil...

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As long as the switch doesn't physically damage any other parts then it wont void the warranty.

Cheers,
Tim

ThermoCoreTim said:

For those of you who want to tinker on your Cera, the switch is a 19mm Panel mount, minimum 2Amp @ 36V, and no longer than 27MM.

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Thanks, Tim, for the details. While there is a 'fudge factor' for pure resistive loads like we have, two Amps is a lot less than the real current involved. Some 2 Amp switches may be OK with the overload, however some are not. I had an otherwise promising 2 Amp switch (many hours on it) fail on a 'heat run' by getting hot enough to stop clicking. Up to that point it was fine. Testing with the 10 Amp version of the same guy (after it got here) has been going fine to date.

My advice is to go with at least 4 or better still 5 Amps as a minimum number, especially if potting it in epoxy like I am. Unless you know the switch is up to the duty otherwise, of course.

To those who still think this is a Democracy where they 'have rights', please get on board before we all get banished to the corner for not following the rules again? The ones we agreed to before getting the privilege of 'speaking our mind' here. A privilege, not a right...... That includes openly questioning Moderator decisions......or aren't we supposed to notice that going on again?

Thanks for helping keep it between the ditches, guys.

OF

Awww I was just about to start up # Cut for Latching Switch

Im curious would sticky taping the momentary switch down for prolonged periods of time break it? If not then would I be right in saying it would be easy to tape the switch down and use the non conductive pin when not in use then a half conductive half non conductive pin as a switch so it could essentially be operated as originally envisioned.

Hey Tim, I'm sure you guys are ontop of things, but you may want to address the switch in an email for pre-orderers not on the forum. The last email I got from TET (on 1/16) said I would be getting the latching switch eventually. I'd hate for someone dependent on such a feature to not know to cancel their order because they are still expecting the second switch.

Thanks for keeping us up to date.

OF it just sounded like you weren't going to pursue the mod with your perfect idea of the side push switch so I was asking why oh why would you stop. I hope I am speaking English now but sometimes you know speaking clearly escapes me.

I am loving all the ideas coming off of OF's idea. I bet we get a perfect pretty one yet and then I can actually get a cera woohoo.

I am glad you, OF, understood that bottom piece removed to make the cera lighter but to me it looked the same. I don't understand how that one works but no need to explain.

Now what is the actually run time on a battery LL? It seemed like two 8 minute sessions from the videos. Of course this will depend on how long you hold the switch and types of inhales but that is what it appears to me. So it seems to me you would need at least 3 batteries maybe 4 for me for the day.

jwill said:

Im curious would sticky taping the momentary switch down for prolonged periods of time break it? If not then would I be right in saying it would be easy to tape the switch down and use the non conductive pin when not in use and a half conductive half non conductive pin as a switch so it could essentially be operated as originally envisioned.

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While tape should not be a problem as long as you kept the sticky stuff out of the works, and unscrewing the cap to insert the pin would stop it fine, I can tell you from personal experience making the 'half conducting sliding switch work' is not trivial. Remember, I have (or had) one of the few that were tested.

For that matter, it's not a full anti tamper switch, you could probably wedge the button down....if you're brave? Or maybe just wrap the spring with foil? Defeating the switch function should not be hard.

The spacing in there is tight and critical. The late change to a thicker ceramic insulator in the connector made it a little bit longer (goes deeper into the area the switch slides in), meaning that the new cores don't let the switch slide (jams against the bottom) unless you unscrew the core a bit. Likewise the exact length of the battery counts a lot (battery pressure) and button shape (flat tops and sharp edges on some button tops don't work) severely limit the batteries that will work. The Beta batteries I got have all been 'fine tuned' to fit and function I believe (most are flat tops built up with solder).

It turns out to work reliably the slide has to be free to 'rock a bit' as it goes past the center point, otherwise it doesn't reliably turn on (or worse still, occasionally doesn't turn off!). Guys are welcome to fiddle, but as I've said before as a general purpose idea it needs work.

FWIW I think a better option might be to insert a contact/insulator assembly in the location, bring the connections out the big holes and put the switch outside. Otherwise, I think the mechanicals in the area are too hard to control effectively in the real world? Switches should not be 'fiddly'.

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OF it just sounded like you weren't going to pursue the mod with your perfect idea of the side push switch so I was asking why oh why would you stop. I hope I am speaking English now but sometimes you know speaking clearly escapes me.

I am loving all the ideas coming off of OF's idea. I bet we get a perfect pretty one yet and then I can actually get a cera woohoo.

Now what is the actually run time on a battery LL? It seemed like two 8 minute sessions from the videos.

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OK, got it now. You mean '....not going to pursue it'? Yes, I think that's right. I've no plans to make or otherwise offer the hardware, the idea was to show there are workable alternatives folks might like to try. I hope someone will. Pipes, you got your ears on? Anyone interested in this (or other alternative switch ideas) is welcome to PM me.....might make a nice change there.....

Battery life depends on what battery. There's a huge range there. I'd say 'more than 20 minutes, perhaps as much as an hour'? It runs a very long time relative to what we got with T1 or Evolution and drops off slowly so you tend to 'limp along' too long rather that swap out sometimes. My 'take' is you need at least one top notch 'using battery' and at least one backup (substitute when charge level becomes a question). If the charger is close by the backup can be a lesser grade I think, nobody is going to need to do a lot of vaping while the good battery fast charges in front of them.

OF

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Hey Tim, I'm sure you guys are ontop of things, but you may want to address the switch in an email for pre-orderers not on the forum. The last email I got from TET (on 1/16) said I would be getting the latching switch eventually. I'd hate for someone dependent on such a feature to not know to cancel their order because they are still expecting the second switch.

Thanks for keeping us up to date.

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We have been sending emails out, let me have Carlo double check out email list to make sure everyone is getting it.


OF, Yea i agree, a higher Amp rating is the safer way to go. 4-5+ Amps

Cheers,
Tim

havealight101 said:

You sure got a knack for making folks that want to voice their "entitled" opinions feel bad for doing so. Cheers...

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I bloody well hope so. You should remove the sarcasm quotes, they don't look good on you at all.

havealight101 said:

There, my second(and last) post with my "heightened sense of entitlement" in this thread, I will stay on topic for now on.

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That would be an excellent idea. Again, you should be really careful with those sarcasm quotes. Your ass can get bitten too.

harmudge said:

Well said havealight, you can't openly state your opinions on a product here mate...and only a select few are aloud to de-rail a thread slightly..."if your not on the list...you ain't coming in" syndrome.

I'm not knocking anyone or publicly talking about decisions or discussions made previously with anyone....merely communicating with a fellow member.

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Bullshit, you most definitely are. You and I have been through this before, twice now in fact. This is actually a backhanded swipe at how the thread is moderated, implying that we play favourites. If you really intended this to be just communicating with a fellow member then you should have used a PM and I am well aware that you know this. That's why you just earned another warning point.

Quetzalcoatl said:

I think it would be like the latch of a grenade, but when it's engaged it sits flush with the body of the Cera. A grenade without the pin if you will

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i was thinking the opposite. let it sit flush to the body when off but fold under and up the other side to become a squeeze lever momentary switch. don't let it sit flush when engaging the button. make it obvious that the lever has to be flipped back to put away.

do my ramblings make sense?

i would call it a "fold away lever"

Has anyone from fc received a ti eo cera yet, or does anyone know if they have been shipping them yet? Was hoping to put in my order sometime today. I've been holdin off since dec, and been following this thread off and on...... I'll put my reviews on here when I get it for the rest of the FC readers, ....thanks

hektik8625 said:

Has anyone from fc received a ti eo cera yet, or does anyone know if they have been shipping them yet? Was hoping to put in my order sometime today. I've been holdin off since dec, and been following this thread off and on...... I'll put my reviews on here when I get it for the rest of the FC readers, ....thanks

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Czechyourhead said:

Titanium Cera EO arrived. First impression of EO: Everything I hoped for. Loaded up approx .3 of CO2 Lemon Haze. Melted right down into the cart. Very little warm up time needed(10 secs tops). 5-10 secs warm up after initial loading. Cool vapor, smooth, very tasty. Larger exhale than I expected. (Stop me if you've heard this review already). Built very solid (as everyone else has said), and smaller than I expected. (no complaint there). I already put my torch and Ti nail in storage. Worth the wait. I'll have to try bubble in the LL cart later this eve.

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Thanks for quick reply...minds set! Let u know when I get it!! Thanks...

pakalolo said:

I bloody well hope so. You should remove the sarcasm quotes, they don't look good on you at all.



That would be an excellent idea. Again, you should be really careful with those sarcasm quotes. Your ass can get bitten too.

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I know sarcasm is not the best tool to get my opinion understood, for that(and only for that) I'm sorry, and will remove if it means I will be understood better. I do understand why you used the wording you did, because there were(i repeat were) raging mobs that did feel overly entitled, but I don't think that has been the case lately, hence you have let discussions continue on about switches.

Look,I'm not here to battle you, I know a loosing battle when I see one. I'm not here to look good either, I'm here to share my opinion when I feel its needed(usually isn't), and maybe share some real life info on some of these tools we love so dear. I admit, I probably come off as an ass(because I
am), and insert sarcasm when its not needed, but I do feel I try to be constructive and thoughtful, and will try to continue to do so(with a little less sarcasm).
I will say your attitude of "i bloody well hope so" toward people sharing opinions, doesn't look good on you and is stifling to the open discussion. Take it how you like, but that's my straight poo.

havealight101 said:

I will say your attitude of "i bloody well hope so" toward people sharing opinions, doesn't look good on you and is stifling to the open discussion. Take it how you like, but that's my straight poo.

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There's your problem. You see "people sharing opinions". I see people hounding TET, complaining repeatedly about the same issues, making useless posts wondering when this or that will finally happen, and otherwise cluttering up a thread intended to be informative.

We got reports about the posts over dropping the latching switch and coming up with an alternative. They were rejected because a lot of that discussion was on topic and potentially helpful, and weeding out the posts that weren't was not worth chopping up the thread. I still see entitled posts making demands on TET and I stand firmly behind what I posted. I really don't care if you think it doesn't look good on me. As I type it has gathered 6 likes, and my experience with that sort of post is that it will get a lot more.

Now, I appreciate your apology and I look forward to your opinions on vapourizers and vapourizing and the Cera. I know you try to be constructive and thoughtful, and we all could do better if we used less sarcasm. My comments to you were intended to let you know you were wandering out onto thin ice, and apparently that message was received. I am not the topic here, however, nor is the moderating style used in this thread. Let's all move on.

I'm gonna ask a welder/fabricator friend of mine to try knock my something up like OFs idea but try a bit prettier I'm thinking SS lever of a ball valve (so it's got a rubber cover) hooked onto a pivot arm suspended from a hinge level with the switch. I want the lever to be flat against the body when on, so as soon as released the pressure of the switch should make it fold out like a grenade lever except I want it to go boom while I'm still holding it :-)

Will post pics when I can

Haven't you seen all the vehicles going through the ice? Us norski's like thin ice, we serve some sort of purpose, what it is, I don't know.

pakalolo said:

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Ok.

buchee said:

Hi GoGlass
I Just wanted to add a few things. I feel there is plenty of temperature control in that the user controls it through the strength of your inhales. I wanted to show as much vapour in my videos because thats what the people wanted to see. That's not my normal way of doing things though. Normally my ABV is on the light side of brown after a completed session. As for the combustion part. That was due to having no airflow because of grinding my LL to a powder and packing the bowl too tight. So I would take 30 or 40 second inhales and not get any airflow. Just alot of built up heat pressure? Anyway on my 3rd attempt at doing that thats when I saw smoke billow out the airholes.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the user really does control the temperatue. Slower and longer inhales for thicker vapour, hence getting darker ABV....or slower inhales for a shorter amount of time. I think once you get it you will understand fully.
Great weekend out introducing Cera to some friends. We got alot of use with the EO cart. Holy schnikity schnikey.

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Thanks for these precisions buchee.
I have understood that for combusting with the Cera it's very difficult, and exceptional. I have also understand that the Cera is a great vape for mods, personalization, etc......
But at this time, i vape only herbs, and so the bad news of the "no latching switch" added to the fact that i'm looking for a more simple vape makes me jump to others threads here at FC.

Thanks again for explaining this.

Hello Everyone,

I have lurked on this forum for awhile now (this is my first post), but when I ordered my Cera I decided it was time to give back to the community!

I preordered a Cera on Dec. 12th, and it arrived last saturday (the 16th). Big shout out to Zeki for making sure it got out on friday so I could bring it to a friend's house and make some videos for you guys. I will also give my impressions after testing it normally, with glass, and with pipe and cigarette tobacco.
Before I get into all of this I feel I should describe my vaping experience. I have owned a Arizer Extreme Q (for just a few months before it got stolen, prompting me to preorder my Cera) and a Magic Flight Launch Box (was my "daily driver" tho i didn't quite use it daily, for about 6 months). I have also used both analog and digital Volcanoes, and a roommate's VaporBros.

So, the first thing I did when I got my Cera was bring it to my friend's house (medical patient w/ nice glass) unopened and make an unboxing video:

I apologize for the out of focus and lack of sound, but we didn't have time to make a huge production out of these. Anyways, after this I took my first hit. Having lived with a Launch Box for so long, I am aware of and used to the breath control required for fan-less vapes, and so I ended up exhaling a reasonable cloud. My reaction? I was extremely impressed. The best flavor I have ever experienced out of anything, and it started to hit me just about instantly. Frankly it made me feel bad for anyone who owns a Launch Box. Convection FTW! Call me shy, but I didn't upload the video of this- I can do so privately and post the password if people really want to se it.

Next, I hit the Cera with my best friend's Toro micro 7/13. This didn't look very impressive, and I didn't get much vapor, because frankly getting the O-ring to seal on a '14 joint is fiddly. You'll see what I mean in the video where my friend milks it. Frankly, this really isn't a big deal at all IMO. First of all, i'm sure one would get a feel for this with practice. Second, 18-14 adapters ain't exactly hard to come by. We had instant success with the '18 joint on my friend's Prototype Zobello perc Zob (prototype because he got it long before the Zobello perc was released)

This one looked pretty good to me, but honestly both my friend and I feel that the fact that I haven't yet come up with a latching switch mod held us back. Either way, after this we actually managed to milk the Toro Micro 7/13

I should mention that my friends, like me, were impressed by the quality and (to a slightly lesser degree) quantity of vapor coming out of the Cera. However, two of my friends who are seriously into dabbing both said basically "it's too much effort." I understand their position- there's a learning curve or two involved with the cera, and the lack of a latching switch is straight up inconvenient. However, they both wanted to try the oil version, as I suspect their views were largely colored by the fact that their tolerances prevent them from getting lots of return from anything but oil.

I have to get to work now, but really quickly, I also tried the cera with pipe tobacco and tobacco from a Nat Sherman Black and Gold cig. Flavor is unbelievable.

Cheers,
MPZ

MPZ please sharpen that knife before you get hurt. Great videos, and nice vape production. It looked like in the first bubbler that the cera wasn't heated up enough but that is just a guess cause the second one milked really easy.
It looked like your friend stopped all his circulation in his finger from holding the switch. Mods people mods. Pipes you may have to order one just so you can help peeps out hehe.

What is the purpose of the cigarette lighter charger? Is that just so you can charge up the batteries? You can just get an inverter if that is the case.

Dreamerr,

The cigarette lighter adapter is $5, an inverter could be well over $40


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MPZ please sharpen that knife before you get hurt. Great videos, and nice vape production. It looked like in the first bubbler that the cera wasn't heated up enough but that is just a guess cause the second one milked really easy.
It looked like your friend stopped all his circulation in his finger from holding the switch. Mods people mods. Pipes you may have to order one just so you can help peeps out hehe.

What is the purpose of the cigarette lighter charger? Is that just so you can charge up the batteries? You can just get an inverter if that is the case.

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you're right about the knife... I cringed when I watched that part of the video. Anyways, about the charger, you're absolutely right about an inverter. I just added it to my order because it cost $5 and I kinda had a "why not" moment. You're also probably right about lack of heat in one of the videos- holding down the switch for extended periods of time gets, well, tiresome. Thankfully they posted the switch specs- I will be going for a mod.