Discontinued Thermovape Cera

Medical Mark

Medical Mark

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I agree OF there are alo of people who use the MMJ pass to acquire meds that they don't really need but want to get high/stoned what ever and intern that's why we get the abuse of cannabis and deception regarding legitimate health problems that can benefit from cannabis.
I've been on morphine for 10 years and have cut my doses in half because of using cannabis as my main source of relieve for my pain, nausea, vomiting, appetite loss, wasting syndrome, it is a must in my life and those that abuse it in a way that isn't for medical purposes and then get busted and cause the medical users to look very bad like its just a free for all to get high giving the MMJ community fighting to get the respect a acknowledgment it. Needs to be a beneficial medicine for those that really need it to have a better life.
I'm not a hippie by any means of a drug activist or drug abuse, I used illicit drugs as a young adult as a rebellious way to fight against the machine but stopped using any drugs for over 15 years.
A lot of people think I use it just to get high cause that what they do, but those around me see the benefits it gives me and my kids have a dad that can function again and not a dad that sleeps 18 hours a day cause of pain and being sick from too many pharmaceutical medications.
The Cera is a medical device made with sick people in mind yes it's a ecig too, but realistically its a medical device geared toward the needs to medicate ina efficient way that is less harmful to our bodies.
As a result of being sick and being n morphine my immune system is down my respitory trackisalways compromised because of the meds I'm on, I have friends that talk a good talk they aren't sick but wanta card s they can smoke with no worries but its those type of people that ruin it for the sick who use MMJ for reasons out of there own control.

I don't chase clouds I want to ride them so I don't feel the pain and suffering I'm in on a daily basis.
So leave the medical devices to the sick and those that want to get high or stoned smoke a bong a joint but dot knock effective well made medical products which you don't want or want to understand cause your not sick so medical cannabis of course will not work the same way it does for those who are sick cause when your sick and use cannabis the THC,CBN,CBD ect and other compounds a absorbed by our cannabinoid receptors for the particular reason of helping relieve pain,nausea ,vomiting ect
Sorry for the rant but hey I'm very sick and hearing about getting high through a device that meant for the sick defeats the purpose of the drug and its intended use.
It's medicine and always has been medicine for thousands of years.
Sorry I then the Cera is going to be a very effective way to medicate and help those get through each days way that is pleasant and bearable.
 
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GR

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With out stoners I don't think there would be the few states that have MM. Who fought for this? Who spent time in jail or still is for this cause? Who grows this plant the best that we love? Who is going to make it legal?

Edited for pointlessness. Sorry, I take this stuff a bit personal.
 
pakalolo

pakalolo

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GR said:
With out stoners I don't think there would be the few states that have MM. Who fought for this? Who spent time in jail or still is for this cause? Who grows this plant the best that we love?

This discussion should really exist in the Jibberish thread since that is what it is.
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I'm right here you know.

This is definitely not jibberish. I've been watching and the discussion is whether the Cera is a medical device or a failed party device. I know where I stand on that one, and the evidence for its status as a party device isn't even in yet. In any event, if this discussion belonged in the Jibberish thread then that's where it would be.

By the way, your first point is an excellent one. Not so much the second one.
 
JCat

JCat

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Dreamerr said:
What Jcat said is sooooooooooo true...we can't get that way anymore cause of the amount we need to medicate..reading into your post jcat. No I am not divorcing myself either but not liking be put down.
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You got it Dreamerr ... That's exactly what I was saying ... And agree as well, but feel it goes both ways. Each group seems to be critical of the other when we all use cannabis because its a better alternative ... I don't like to be put down either.

Can't we all just get along :lol:
 
Dreamerr

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
I want to know what happened to my post....it got scared:D
 
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amilehigh

amilehigh

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While i sometimes need mmj for medical purposes, i would say more often than not i fall into the "recreational" category. Either way I don't think i'm abusing it, necessarily.

I've been smoking spliffs and pipes (but mostly spliffs) for years, and I need to change my habits. As an athlete, I've gotten away with it and competed at a high level for years but I feel its finally caught up to me. I'm looking forward to the peace of mind i'll get just by knowing that i'm using a much cleaner delivery method.

I like to invest in quality products (made in the usa a big plus) that are going to last and not be outdated in a minute, so i landed on the Cera.

All that to say, I dont think it has to be a "medical device" or a "party device". It will serve many people in a lot of unique ways, and its less harmful to them than smoking, period. And even though there are a lot of "poser" mmj card holders out there, as GR said above, they're not all stoners "making the rest of us look bad" and they do serve a purpose.
 
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escierdanyc

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Creating a dichotomy amongst MMJ users and recreational users is absolutely unnecessary. I have zero ills that I know of, and I feel like MJ has greatly improved my quality of life. I started out using it because of what I've heard from recreational users and right now I use about every day and I've never felt better about myself. To argue about who "needs" it more is comparable to creedal propriety: when a group claims ownership over something and claim that they are right. If MJ has taught me anything, it's that it does what you want it to. Mother nature never wrote a manual for MJ and as far as I'm concerned, it's one of the few drugs that has a lot of positive uses for a wide variety of its "followers".

As far as whether the Cera is a medical device, it depends on the medical user. I have a friend who canceled their order because the momentary switch will make it MORE painful to use, so he's waiting until a latching switch is made. Again, none of us should pretend we speak for everyone; as far as I know, that's the biggest reason why it's still illegal in so many states.

A lot of people, MMJ users included, are used to combusiton and simply want clouds to remind them that they're indeed consuming. I find that people who have owned small vapes like the MFLB on average realize that clouds are unnecessary to get high. It seems like it has more to do with vape experience than anything else.
 
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Mango Jive

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Cera LL owners - have you ever hit da Buddha vaporizer (convection)??
If you have, could you give a quick comparison of the cloud productions between the vapes?

I realize this probably won't get answered soon, but it's hard to get an idea of the
cloud density from the videos. Thermovapes videos have the perfect set up as far as lighting goes, and the
video that used to be on here didn't have the best lighting.
 
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amilehigh

amilehigh

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Mango Jive said:
Cera LL owners - have you ever hit da Buddha vaporizer (convection)??
If you have, could you give a quick comparison of the cloud productions between the vapes?

I realize this probably won't get answered soon, but it's hard to get an idea of the
cloud density from the videos. Thermovapes videos have the perfect set up as far as lighting goes, and the
video that used to be on here didn't have the best lighting.
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+1 i'd love to know

I'm also looking for a brave volunteer to pack the LL with 1/3-1/2 tobacco. Just curious if that would work at all... anyone know off hand? I see its supposed to be able to be used for tobacco only and flower only.. but i'm wondering about both. (I dont smoke cigarettes, but grew into the spliff habit through a friend and now enjoy the "buzz" or "light-headedness" as well as the slower, longer burn)
 
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Tweek

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Whenever mine emerges from deep space, I will gladly give you my opinion on how it compares to my SSV. I'm already guessing from what I have read and seen, as well as past T1 usage, that it will be a much different beast.
 
wootze

wootze

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VaporEyes said:
Only so much can be expected out of a battery powered unit though. The technology is not yet advanced enough that a portable unit at this size(one that employs pure convection at that) could properly compete with a home based/ larger "portable" one.
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I have 2 old Solos that will each still milk a big tube. there is for me a ceremonial element to clouds. there is also an indisputable relationship between heat and extraction.
 
Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
My input: who cares if it's a medical device? Hell, that should be a selling point! Medical patients trust it, it's not going to magically turn your weed into elephant poop because it didn't come out of a collective container. One of the thinks I liked about the DART was the materials used. Eons ahead of what some other pen-style vapes use, that's for sure. We all use it differently, but whether it benefits my pain or improves the quality of life for the dude that loves getting baked down the road ends up being a moot point: it's working in a positive manner.

Now, that being said, I do see where some confusion could occur. Those of us following the Cera since thesite first went down are more aware that the Cera is geared more towards the medical community. Little adjustments to it were made with us in mind because we ASKED for it. It reaches specific temperatures because where it would benefit us the most. People looking to use this device for recreational purposes should find it fulfilling (because like medical users they're after cannabinoids), however it is not going to be enough for some, much the same way that the Launch Box is loved by some and falls very short for others. Now, you'd probably have to have read some good amount of pages to put two and two together re: Cera as a medical use-geared unit. I think it was explicitely stated as such a mere few times, and then assumed as such by everyone that was already "in the know." This might be the root of some confusion as to what to expect from the Cera.

You also have OF repeating a multitude of times that it's not going to blow smoke signals, but it definitely gets you going. As mentioned before I am a firm believer in the explanation that there's a psychological factor to seeing clouds and how high you perceive yourself to be/get. You know, they've shot up heroin addicts in withdrawals before with saline claiming it's diamorphine (diacetylmorphine , also known as "heroin") and they come out of withdrawal... With just a few cc's of water and salt. The mind is an incredible thing far more capable than we understand... As us Launch Box owners came to find out very quickly, just because your exhaled vapor is whispy doesn't mean you're not about to get tanked. But, you know, some people just crave big big hits on demand. That little craving to feel the expansion from milking a pack in one hit is part of the experience for some of us, medical and recreational alike, but like I've told people looking for that in the LB... "There's better units for you if it's what you want out of it."

Perhaps an Inhalater would be a better selection for those looking for a cloud-pushing portable? There's absolutely nothing wrong with the materials used in it to the best of my knowledge, but there are people that wouldn't mind paying for the peace of mind of knowing everything coming in contact with the inhaled vapor is of medical-grade quality. I'll pay the sticker for knowing that some of the same materials in my DART might also be used as a component in a hip implant that enables someone to live with a better quality of life.

For what it's worth, I'm sooo glad my TV stuff is made with quality materials. I fight a combination of chronic pain, neausea, migraines, mild/moderate depression, anxiety, insomnia, and a sort of wasting syndrome every day. Always always the pain and inability to keep weight on, and most days nausea in varying degrees and being up long enought to see the sun set and then rise again. Having all of this, I didn't even blink at the higher-than-the-competition prices. My best friend smokes 3-5 times a week (well, not anymore thanks to me!) for recreational purposes, and he's able to conduct himself in a responsible manner while under the influence. I don't have a problem with me using it as a life-saver and him using it instead of ecstasy or abusing Xanax/OxyContin. As adults we are free to make our own choices, good or bad.
 
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NoName

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Quetzalcoatl said:
My input: who cares if it's a medical device? Hell, that should be a selling point! Medical patients trust it, it's not going to magically turn your weed into elephant poop because it didn't come out of a collective container. One of the thinks I liked about the DART was the materials used. Eons ahead of what some other pen-style vapes use, that's for sure. We all use it differently, but whether it benefits my pain or improves the quality of life for the dude that loves getting baked down the road ends up being a moot point: it's working in a positive manner.

Now, that being said, I do see where some confusion could occur. Those of us following the Cera since thesite first went down are more aware that the Cera is geared more towards the medical community. Little adjustments to it were made with us in mind because we ASKED for it. It reaches specific temperatures because where it would benefit us the most. People looking to use this device for recreational purposes should find it fulfilling (because like medical users they're after cannabinoids), however it is not going to be enough for some, much the same way that the Launch Box is loved by some and falls very short for others. Now, you'd probably have to have read some good amount of pages to put two and two together re: Cera as a medical use-geared unit. I think it was explicitely stated as such a mere few times, and then assumed as such by everyone that was already "in the know." This might be the root of some confusion as to what to expect from the Cera.

You also have OF repeating a multitude of times that it's not going to blow smoke signals, but it definitely gets you going. As mentioned before I am a firm believer in the explanation that there's a psychological factor to seeing clouds and how high you perceive yourself to be/get. You know, they've shot up heroin addicts in withdrawals before with saline claiming it's diamorphine (diacetylmorphine , also known as "heroin") and they come out of withdrawal... With just a few cc's of water and salt. The mind is an incredible thing far more capable than we understand... As us Launch Box owners came to find out very quickly, just because your exhaled vapor is whispy doesn't mean you're not about to get tanked. But, you know, some people just crave big big hits on demand. That little craving to feel the expansion from milking a pack in one hit is part of the experience for some of us, medical and recreational alike, but like I've told people looking for that in the LB... "There's better units for you if it's what you want out of it."

Perhaps an Inhalater would be a better selection for those looking for a cloud-pushing portable? There's absolutely nothing wrong with the materials used in it to the best of my knowledge, but there are people that wouldn't mind paying for the peace of mind of knowing everything coming in contact with the inhaled vapor is of medical-grade quality. I'll pay the sticker for knowing that some of the same materials in my DART might also be used as a component in a hip implant that enables someone to live with a better quality of life.

For what it's worth, I'm sooo glad my TV stuff is made with quality materials. I fight a combination of chronic pain, neausea, migraines, mild/moderate depression, anxiety, insomnia, and a sort of wasting syndrome every day. Always always the pain and inability to keep weight on, and most days nausea in varying degrees and being up long enought to see the sun set and then rise again. Having all of this, I didn't even blink at the higher-than-the-competition prices. My best friend smokes 3-5 times a week (well, not anymore thanks to me!) for recreational purposes, and he's able to conduct himself in a responsible manner while under the influence. I don't have a problem with me using it as a life-saver and him using it instead of ecstasy or abusing Xanax/OxyContin. As adults we are free to make our own choices, good or bad.
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Q,

Well said. Thanks Bro.

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CaliGuy

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GR said:
With out stoners I don't think there would be the few states that have MM. Who fought for this? Who spent time in jail or still is for this cause? Who grows this plant the best that we love? Who is going to make it legal?
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lol.. you realize that you're saying that many of the activists ("stoners") working to get medical laws passed were doing so from a position of self-interest and dishonesty, right?

pat yourself on the back if you must, but without medical users there would have been no medical-use laws passed, and I'd argue that the "recreational use" statutes wouldn't have passed without the medical states having led the way.

I don't think this is an either/or thing; everyone helped and we're all in this together.
 
iamn3ko

iamn3ko

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Wasn't this a discussion about wether or not the Cera was a medical device? Not the difference medical and recreational using? Not my place to stop it but seems like it's a pretty passionate thing from both angles. Regardless, if the Cera is "party" quality, then just don't get "blitzed" when you use it, take smaller hits, slower, whatever works, then get "medicated" if you will. Then if you want to get "blitzed" out of your mind, then those who do will use the Cera to its maximum potential. Wasn't that a main selling point of TET in general not just the Cera, that its a pretty versatile tool, and performs to the users preference/ technique...?

Don't take the quotations so seriously please, I use all terms relating to how I'm medicating/toking, well I'd never use blitzed but thats just me.

So what if the Cera is a medical device, I would hope it is. Means high quality, getting what you're paying for. Doesn't mean I'm using it entirely for "medicating" 100% of the time.


Btw this isn't directed at anyone, or any post in particular.
 
Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
One of the points I made was that it being a medical device can be a key feature for people regardless of whether the Cera is being used for medical or recreational purposes. I gave examples about how it's used by medical patients and why it would work for people getting recreational use, but explained that it was geared towards a medical use and so will not perform up to the expectations of every recreational user (hence the Inhalater plug.) Some people may encounter a sort of "block" they hit with the unit where they want more than it can provide (again, I used the Launch Box as an example of this.)

I understand what you mean though in regards to terms, there's differences in technique and choice of vaporizer for when you want one specific effect as opposed to another. Some of the confusion as I see it is that people following earlier knew that it wasn't going to be the best vape for everyone that wanted to get "Major Tom to Ground Control" stoned, but people that hop into the thread 2, 3 pages back don't know that and don't understand what exactly to expect from the LL cart (the EO cart was heavily demo'd already.)
 
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GR

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CaliGuy said:
lol.. you realize that you're saying that many of the activists ("stoners") working to get medical laws passed were doing so from a position of self-interest and dishonesty, right?

pat yourself on the back if you must, but without medical users there would have been no medical-use laws passed, and I'd argue that the "recreational use" statutes wouldn't have passed without the medical states having led the way.

I don't think this is an either/or thing; everyone helped and we're all in this together.
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I would not have put myself in harms way if I didn't have personal reasons, many of those reasons where medical, some of them where for the recreational use of a plant, some was for those that where/are incarcerated for a non violent crime for a plant, and also all the properties that a hemp plant can bring to industry. Yes I am selfish, I believe this plant has more to offer this world then medical, it is one piece of the puzzle. I also am very aware of the medical users that stood up in CA at the beginning and put themselves in harms way so that many could benefit from their actions, for many medical users outside of the few states in the US the war on drugs is still very much alive, the war is not over.

Edit: something that also bothers me when it comes to medical patients and dispenseries that let people fondle their goods. If someone has a compromised immune system should they be buying something that has been fondled by many hands, stuck to noises, and breathed on by many people?

Back on subject.

The Cera having medical grade pieces through the entire vape path does not make it a medical device but it does make it safe until proven otherwise which can't be said for other vapes out there. This is good news for anybody that puts the device to their mouth. Ever had a vape when new that could produce more then water vaper when new and nothing has been loaded? What is that? Did the manufacture consider that this may have health hazards especially to medical patients. I am very happy to see TET take this so seriously.
 
GR,
Cheerful Dub

Cheerful Dub

Spaced Station
The original line of inquisition was in regards to a higher dosage in a battery operated portable, not nomenclature regarding "patients" or "abusers". Which is why I did not give two flying fucks about the LL and instead bought an EO cartridge. Wow problem solved :nod: disaster averted :clap:
 
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Bluntcrush

Bluntcrush

Director of Vapor Research Labs™
Well, some of the vapor has finally cleared and I can say that the EO cart is a living, changing thing that just keeps getting better and better. Spent the last week or so trying it in my daily usage and it works great! I was able to get by all day on 1 battery, (always had a spare in tow) but one battery would probably be good for a couple of days for me (based on my personal usage). :ninja:

I am still monkeying with the LL cart and have an order in for when E-Liquid cart becomes available for one off orders again. In short, I'm hooked! :D

I have gotten the best results on the LL with a fine (almost kief like grind) after the cart has been pre-heated for about 45 seconds. Then I add the ground flower after that step. Then another 30 seconds of heat to get a test puff. I am only occasionally seeing what might be described as a (thick) cloud in the right light conditions, however I have left those sessions feeling well medicated. :ko:

That's all for now, friends...
 
saltway_sweeper

saltway_sweeper

Member
Evening all.

I'm looking to purchase a Cera from TV.

I live in the UK, do TV ship to the UK ?

And what is the wait time for despatch after order/payment has been made ?

Kindest regards xx
 
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