Discontinued Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

Quetzalcoatl said:

I'm not sure how I feel about a 20 minute runtime, though. Is that 20 minutes of it turned on and left to discharge? How does that transfer into real-world use?

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Yea, I've been thinking about cancelling the cera and just getting a T1 or EVO for now.
So how much longer will it last compared to the T1 or EVO?
Seems like the run time, for one reason or another, keeps getting reduced on this cera, defiantly not was I was planning on!

I'm fairly certain that the Cera's battery time is an improvement over the T1. Can't comment on the Evo since I don't have any experience with it.

there are some pretty sweet deals floating around the classifieds right now for TV stuff, might be worth checking into anyway before buying new. What was the actual run time for the T1 6v on a fresh charge? Under 10 mins?

Vapzilla said:

Yea, I've been thinking about cancelling the cera and just getting a T1 or EVO for now.
So how much longer will it last compared to the T1 or EVO?
Seems like the run time, for one reason or another, keeps getting reduced on this cera, defiantly not was I was planning on!

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There are many different configurations.

12 watt / 14 watt core with the 2900 mah batteries will last the longest.

Then there are the 2250 mah batteries with the 12 watt / 14 watt core that lasts a few minutes less.

Now there are people mentioning the 16 watt core and 2250 mah batteries (right?) where the run time will be around 20 minutes.

Stick with the 2900 mah batteries and a 12 or 14 watt core for the longest battery life.

Hoping this week some other people will have their Cera.

jambandphan03 said:

there are some pretty sweet deals floating around the classifieds right now for TV stuff, might be worth checking into anyway before buying new. What was the actual run time for the T1 6v on a fresh charge? Under 10 mins?

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TV1 run time was around 5-6 minutes for me. Closer to 6 on brand new batteries.

BLAZING OG said:

CBD'S for pain are extracted a bit better with higher temps, and if you could pull huge clouds , then that would mean someone who wants smaller clouds just hits it shorter or lighter, like a fast sports car that can be driven like a daily driver by giving it a little gas, or when needed give it more gas an now your 0-60 is is 4..0 seconds flat !

I am excited to see TET offer so many options for so many different type of Vapist needs!

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Quetzalcoatl said:

I don't think pulling the higher-temp cannabinoids will be a problem with the Cera, but higher temps does equal bigger clouds/less hits to finish a bowl,

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I agree with Q here, the higher output core (it's a misnomer to call it 'hotter' in degrees it's not really much hotter.....) won't get you any hotter in the load, both should allow you to overcook to your heart's content.

I know guys automatically think higher power means more clouds. In some vapes it does, not here. Think about it, we preheat the core then draw some fraction of that heat (as much as we want) into the load. More power in the heater is letting it get to working temperature faster but since it's really not putting any more power into the load than the weaker, slower core does all that extra power goes where? Yup, into heating up the body of Cera all the faster. Just what we don't want. This is what I'm finding so far. Faster start ups, no bigger clouds yet (remember, I'm not a big time cloud chaser...) although that may change as I get more in tune with it, but faster body heating (IMO to be expected, really). More testing is needed.

The faster heating means the insulating cover will be most welcome for these guys. The cap is getting hot enough I'm flinching before the session is over without it. Another thing I think I'm 'seeing' is more self heating in the protected Beta batteries than the new IMR one (which makes sense also, making them a poorer choice with this heavy load I think. It has potential, I'm still searching for it, it's not easy to devine the changes the tester keeps getting knocked out of calibration for all this subjective stuff.

I too very much like the options that develop. Too bad it can't happen at one time, but I sure don't want TV sitting on Cera while bells and whistles are womped up. We're all edgy right now (and with reason IMO), but hopefully a few months from now we'll be swimming in options and fast turnaround low cost custom builds like the later days of the old product line.

Fun stuff.

Vapzilla said:

Yea, I've been thinking about cancelling the cera and just getting a T1 or EVO for now.
So how much longer will it last compared to the T1 or EVO?
Seems like the run time, for one reason or another, keeps getting reduced on this cera, defiantly not was I was planning on!

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Quetzalcoatl said:

I'm fairly certain that the Cera's battery time is an improvement over the T1. Can't comment on the Evo since I don't have any experience with it.

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Your call, of course, but I'd suggest you check to be sure that "just getting a T1 or EVO for now" is going to work, stock is almost gone. And I honestly think T1 stuff will get lonely when the owner gets a Cera......mine sure has.

I understand your concern about battery life, this is yet another reason why this sort of stuff isn't usually discussed in the public square. TV predicted (up to?) five times the battery life. They hugely exceeded that with the lower power carts, even the latest still offers to exceed SV T1 five fold (my estimate is five five minute sessions). By my reckoning they still meet their design goals. Perhaps it's an expectation issue on your end? IMO you should not plan on anything more than hopefully meeting their estimates. And that might fall to higher power or lower capacity batteries. Wish for what you want, but my advice is to not make plans until there's something firm to plan on?

Once the final version is determined some 'guarantees' might be possible WRT battery life, for now all we can do is report what we find I guess.

Another argument for two powers of cores I guess, let the owner pick their choice of options?

So, if you find a T1, in addition to other issues corrected in Cera expect radically shorter battery life. Like five times? Maybe more, the low powered cores might go 7 or 8 five minute sessions just fine....about on par with T1's one, maybe two if you're good and fast (which needs stirring amongst other drawbacks?).

OF

So an example would be

I have the 14 watt core and a 2900 mah battery. At 40 seconds of on time the device is at its highest working temp.

If you have the 16 watt core and a 2900 mah battery. At 20 seconds of on time the device is at its highest working temp.

In example 2 you will be able to take hotter hits sooner but the device will start warming up sooner.

You will be able to extract everything from the herb with both cores, just one will get you there faster.

PB88123 said:

In example 2 you will be able to take hotter hits sooner but the device will start warming up sooner. So if you are a quick 2-4 hits person and then turn it off a 16 watt core will save you some seconds.

You will be able to extract everything from the herb with both cores, just one will get you there faster.

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I think you've summed up with I'm thinking very well. Thanks.

There may yet be a 'bigger cloud' advantage (not sure), but first I have to get to 'biggest clouds possible' conditions in both cases with some repeatability to make the data at least a little useful. Work, work ,work.

And on a 3 day weekend no less.

OF

OF said:

So, if you find a T1, in addition to other issues corrected in Cera expect radically shorter battery life. Like five times? Maybe more, the low powered cores might go 7 or 8 five minute sessions just fine....about on par with T1's one, maybe two if you're good and fast (which needs stirring amongst other drawbacks?).

OF

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Thanks to all that have replied. I thought that the T1 was getting 12 minutes on a fresh charge.
Thought I had read that somewhere, anyway I'll just have to relax and wait it out as the end is getting near!

OF said:

I think you've summed up with I'm thinking very well. Thanks.

There may yet be a 'bigger cloud' advantage (not sure), but first I have to get to 'biggest clouds possible' conditions in both cases with some repeatability to make the data at least a little useful. Work, work ,work.

And on a 3 day weekend no less.

OF

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OF,

So in essence, using the 16 watt core along with the 2900 battery you will achieve faster heat up time and possibly bigger clouds..to be determined by further testing in your garden lol.....

So is PB correct that the working temperature of the load would be the same for both batteries?? Therefore, no increased combustion risk( in theory)?

As far as I'm concerned, if there's added combustion risk with the 16, I'd prefer the lower powered unit. I remember Noah telling us in previous posts that Cera is very resistant to combustion. That's the way it should stay. Fuck Combustion!!

I have a thermovape t1 right now and runtime sux on it and 5-6mins is right on the money. I feel I need a fresh battery for every bowl to get the best flavor and hit/cloud. I think the cera is the right answer for run time even if it is 2-3x longer. I have currently 8 batteries for the t1 and i need 2 at a time. I feel I will only need 2 batteries with the cera and should be able to get better clouds. If you are using concentrates than I think runtime is not that big of a deal compared to flowers since flowers have less thc content their for you need more bowls and more heat to convect more content to get same effect as tiny dab of concentrate. For the price though the t1 was half price for me and helps with my current needs. Cera is still having bugs worked out and production has to be ramped up. Till then the t1 which use to be the flagship will hold me over.

Vapzilla said:

Thanks to all that have replied. I thought that the T1 was getting 12 minutes on a fresh charge.
Thought I had read that somewhere, anyway I'll just have to relax and wait it out as the end is getting near!

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Naw. SV T1 is 30 Watts. The RCRs are good for about 550 mAh (not the labels 750) at the high rate we're using times six Volts total. 3.3 Watt hours at 30 per is .11 hours, six minutes and a half, five being a typical end point for 'full power'. The more important measure is it's next to impossible to get two full bowls done in that time. It's a battery change per bowl prospect unless you want to really 'milk it'.

I bet everyone will relax some when a few dozen units get into members hands. That should start happening in the next few days.

Chill Dude said:

OF,

So in essence, using the 16 watt core along with the 2900 battery you will achieve faster heat up time and possibly bigger clouds..to be determined by further testing in your garden lol.....

So is PB correct that the working temperature of the load would be the same for both batteries?? Therefore, no increased combustion risk( in theory)?

As far as I'm concerned, if there's added combustion risk with the 16, I'd prefer the lower powered unit. I remember Noah telling us in previous posts that Cera is very resistant to combustion. That's the way it should stay. Fuck Combustion!!

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With you hear on that combustion stuff. As I understand the theory you still basically can't combust (I couldn't before) but I'm saving that effort for the end. It's kind of grueling. You vape a load to death, hot swap in a fresh battery and honk on it. Yuck. Still, gotta happen. It's worse when you do combust....as we all know.

Othewise, yes I think PB has it right. We want the same working load temperature and will draw to make that happen. The idea is, I think, to load the bowl as full as possible and really move the air to get the maximum mass of bud into full production. Quickly. Not trivial. At least for me.

And then there's the battery issue......

OF

Will the cera be using one battery at a time? Couldnt i just buy and charge two or three and work around the time issues?

I am pretty sure cera uses one battery at at time since it is 18650. If you have seen 18650 it is a pretty long battery. Just buy 2 -3 batteries and have them on full charge. You won't have any runtime issues since you have plenty on hand. i would stick with thermovape for everything such as vape and battery. You can probably get away with getting a charger from somewhere else. THe reason I say that is for warranty purposes. That way they can't come back and blame the battery as having issues. If everything is from thermovape than they will stand behind it all. If you mix and match components than the blaming game starts up.

edit: Imagine a cera with 2 18650 batteries....the stares you would get with that bulge in your pocket lol. Good times folks and the next bowl is to FUCKCOMBUSTION.

dudu0069 said:

I am pretty sure cera uses one battery at at time since it is 18650.

Just buy 2 -3 batteries and have them on full charge. You won't have any runtime issues since you have plenty on hand. i would stick with thermovape for everything such as vape and battery. You can probably get away with getting a charger from somewhere else. THe reason I say that is for warranty purposes. That way they can't come back and blame the battery as having issues. If everything is from thermovape than they will stand behind it all. If you mix and match components than the blaming game starts up.

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You're absolutely right. One 18650 at a time.

I also agree, a guy should have at least a second one of that size handy to swap in when battery status questions come up. It does't have to be 'first quality' IMO, as long as it's a good enough quality to run Cera to a reasonable level while the main one charges.

I too like the idea of gettng the factory battery and charger, but don't think you'll have any pushback from them over those issues. They know guys have other chargers and batteries. They just selected the best performing ones after testing a lot. But what's available is a moving target, tomorrow will bring new batteries and new opportunities. The charger they specify really is important. We're using top end batteries here, most chargers don't charge them fast enough to get maximum performance (and shortest charge times) Probably less than 10% capacity penalty, time is your problem. Most guys want 2-3 hours at most?

OF

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OF said:

You're absolutely right. One 18650 at a time.

I also agree, a guy should have at least a second one of that size handy to swap in when battery status questions come up. It does't have to be 'first quality' IMO, as long as it's a good enough quality to run Cera to a reasonable level while the main one charges.

I too like the idea of gettng the factory battery and charger, but don't think you'll have any pushback from them over those issues. They know guys have other chargers and batteries. They just selected the best performing ones after testing a lot. But what's available is a moving target, tomorrow will bring new batteries and new opportunities. The charger they specify really is important. We're using top end batteries here, most chargers don't charge them fast enough to get maximum performance (and shortest charge times) Probably less than 10% capacity penalty, time is your problem. Most guys want 2-3 hours at most?

OF

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Soo what your saying is I gotta buy three batteries lol

NYC5IKH5jabi said:

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Soo what your saying is I gotta buy three batteries lol

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id say 3 is ideal. i use 3 17670s with my T1/Evo/Dart setup and its perfect for me.

I'm deciding between titanium and ss. I'm new to concentrates, what is the big deal with titanium, does it increase the high or something? I will shell out the 500 for the titanium but only if it seems worthwhile, I'm already sure this thing is built to last and want to spend the extra bit now and just be done with any purchases for a while. I already have a pax and I love it but I recently found a concentrate connect and now am finding myself buying herb less and wax more

NYC5IKH5jabi said:

I'm deciding between titanium and ss. I'm new to concentrates, what is the big deal with titanium, does it increase the high or something? I will shell out the 500 for the titanium but only if it seems worthwhile, I'm already sure this thing is built to last and want to spend the extra bit now and just be done with any purchases for a while. I already have a pax and I love it but I recently found a concentrate connect and now am finding myself buying herb less and wax more

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In comparison to stainless steel, titanium is light and stronger with resistance to small space corrosion. Titanium is a good choice for those that are active and will be enjoying their Cera outside. If you enjoy being outdoors for hiking, camping or other excursions where the device may be subject to water exposure, increased wear and tear we definitely suggest considering opting for the titanium versus stainless. Both are extremely durable and long lasting materials. Either way, both are extremely high quality for use in a portable vaporizer application.

NYC5IKH5jabi said:

I'm deciding between titanium and ss. I'm new to concentrates, what is the big deal with titanium, does it increase the high or something? I will shell out the 500 for the titanium but only if it seems worthwhile, I'm already sure this thing is built to last and want to spend the extra bit now and just be done with any purchases for a while. I already have a pax and I love it but I recently found a concentrate connect and now am finding myself buying herb less and wax more

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I personally plan to stick with stainless and put the rest of the $$$ towards concentrates/flowers and possibly another home/portable vape in the future. I like titanium alot on my watches and even my mcgizmo flashlights. On a portable vape I am fine with stainless steel and will use that $$$ towards other needs.

NYC5IKH5jabi said:

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Soo what your saying is I gotta buy three batteries lol

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I meant to say a guy ought to have at least two. 3 is better yes, but you can go with one. If you do go with one (top quality) one, I suggest having a 'known good' second quality one handy as well.

OF

PB88123 said:

In comparison to stainless steel, titanium is light and stronger with resistance to small space corrosion. Titanium is a good choice for those that are active and will be enjoying their Cera outside. If you enjoy being outdoors for hiking, camping or other excursions where the device may be subject to water exposure, increased wear and tear we definitely suggest considering opting for the titanium versus stainless. Both are extremely durable and long lasting materials. Either way, both are extremely high quality for use in a portable vaporizer application.

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So it's not really like its better tasting or more efficient than steel. I always thought there was sum thing since titanium nails and domes are like a whole new industry nowadays. What makes the dabbers spend the money on titanium. I doubt people go outside with their titanium nail setups/bongs whatever they are

I have been trying(unsuccessfully) to find some kind of water bong or bubbler that would allow me to have the cera upright and attached to the female joint. I want to avoid recycling oil from the mouthpiece.

NYC5IKH5jabi said:

What makes the dabbers spend the money on titanium. I doubt people go outside with their titanium nail setups/bongs whatever they are

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For the same reason they made the SR71 from the stuff, oil heads heat their metal WAY hotter than we ever do here.

It's a very expensive material (rare and hard to refine), very difficult to work with, and there's lots of industries with more clout than MMJ has (military, surgical and so on). All that goes to a guys enjoyment of exotic materials too I think.

It's worth it to some I think for practical reasons, some for emotional ones. Their money and choice, I think it's cool there's a option.

BTW, for those on the Ti Cera list I think those parts are in as well by now, if not the will be first of the week. My guess is they will be joining SS shipments about the end of the week.

Skeena said:

I have been trying(unsuccessfully) to find some kind of water bong or bubbler that would allow me to have the cera upright and attached to the female joint. I want to avoid recycling oil from the mouthpiece.

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That one should be easy. Use a short tube section like TV used to sell for hooking 510 drip fittings (like on the top of the oil cart) to the 14mm GonG fitting on the WP. I bet if you contact them someone can poke around and find you one if you ask nice enough (I'm pretty sure I saw some in a bin in the stock area the other day while I was following Tim around). If not, lots of places make adapters to go from 510 drip to GonG.

I usually just tip the Cera on it's side (it can run fine upside down) but I did try the TV adapter when I first got it (before I realized that on it's side was OK).

OF

NYC5IKH5jabi said:

So it's not really like its better tasting or more efficient than steel. I always thought there was sum thing since titanium nails and domes are like a whole new industry nowadays. What makes the dabbers spend the money on titanium. I doubt people go outside with their titanium nail setups/bongs whatever they are

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Nails, skillets and dabbers are ti because of ti having a high temp oxidation point. You heat the nail with butane, which burns at 2500°, which is around where ti oxidizes. Steel will oxidize at a lower temp, which is not good; oxidation is to be avoided, that's where a lot of health concerns stem from. Some use propane or mapp gas for their torches, and they both burn hotter and are considered worse for the application due to their temps.

This is not really a concern with the cera, it does not get hot enough.

OF said:

That one should be easy. Use a short tube section like TV used to sell for hooking 510 drip fittings (like on the top of the oil cart) to the 14mm GonG fitting on the WP. I bet if you contact them someone can poke around and find you one if you ask nice enough (I'm pretty sure I saw some in a bin in the stock area the other day while I was following Tim around). If not, lots of places make adapters to go from 510 drip to GonG.

I usually just tip the Cera on it's side (it can run fine upside down) but I did try the TV adapter when I first got it (before I realized that on it's side was OK).

OF

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http://thermovape.force.com/IdaProductDetail?id=01t50000001qlFdAAI

It says not for the Cera but if you use the 510 drip it would work.