SSV vs. The Extreme Vape

stonemonkey55

stonemonkey55

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Good point, like I said, I have no problem finding the sweet spot but I guess for people that want a more "set it and forget it" type of machine, the learning curve is a bit higher.

I don't have a PD but I had one of the original Aromazaps, I'm pretty curious to get a PD but can't justify it at this point with the wife. With that said, I still like the bags and found myself still using them when friends come around. Who doesn't like to watch a balloon inflate with tasty vapor?
 
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Beezleb

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Acolyte of Zinglon said:
ya, thats what i was thinking as well, im still leaning towards the ssv myself then getting the extreme when i want bags, but i still dont see myself using bags all that often

does a lower temp give more hits off the ssv? have you tried stsarting lo and moving up? cause i think that would be nice and organic, starting with a more heady high then moving to more of a body high as you go

if i get an ssv i plan to mark around the temperature dial the minimum and maximum temps to use with various herbs, to make it simpler
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Well let me correct what I have, I have Da Buddha and not an ssv but they are pretty much alike in function, Da Buddha is pretty much the ssv little brother.

Heres how I do it.

I start off low, around the 1 to 2 oclock position and move up slowly up to maybe the 4 oclock but typically stay in the two to 3 oclock range. Keep in mind not all plant material is alike and variances sometimes means I raise the temp up a little or down a little. Its more about preference and having more control and it took me a bit to get the experience to be good at it. Today I can pretty much determine my settingings based on the look and feel of the plant product.

Lower temps in my opinion will always give you more draws as the vaporization process is slowed but for thicker hits you need to raise the temp but must be careful not to raise it too high as to burn the plant material. I like this as it gives me control on how my mood is. If im watching a movie or something I will typically use lower temps but if I want big draws right away I crank it up. The extreme would be the same way as any vape that has a temperature control.
 
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vtac

vtac

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tokin hates us now. :ko:

Seriously, I can't believe we spent so much time debating the wording of a post again. Even dumber since I'd recommend the ssv to pretty much anyone any day. :lol:

Just had to throw in the 'one size doesn't fit all'

:horse:
:D
 
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tokinGLX

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tokinGLX said:
vtac said:
tokin hates us now. :ko:


:D
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wait, what
as far as i can tell, all the growers i know still agree with me(i can make some calls to re-confirm, if youd like, but i dont think it is necessary) that the ssv is number one. so my comment, as stated, still stands
:D;):lol::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja:
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marcuss

marcuss

above the clouds
tokinGLX said:
tokinGLX said:
vtac said:
tokin hates us now. :ko:


:D
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wait, what
as far as i can tell, all the growers i know still agree with me(i can make some calls to re-confirm, if youd like, but i dont think it is necessary) that the ssv is number one. so my comment, as stated, still stands
:D;):lol::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja:
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I see this max's comment from an other post fits perfectly here....."When you're comparing quality vapes it's more about defining the characteristics of each model and deciding which is a better fit for you. Declaring a winner on the basis of 'better hits' is using subjective judgement as if it were objective data."

:lol::lol::lol: :brow:
 
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tokinGLX

tokinGLX

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ah, but i dont use the hits as my sole source of data to call it the best. ease of loading/unloading, warm up time, cleaning the unit, durability of the unit, portability...they all factor in.
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stonemonkey55

stonemonkey55

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That's more than I can do :o

Tokin, do you pretty much get the same size hits from the DBV vs the SSV?
 
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tokinGLX

tokinGLX

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the hits tend to be pretty darn similar, but da buddha will go through the bowl faster.


medi, there is certainly an art to taking a proper whip hit and i do believe that i have a good mastery of the art.
 
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stonemonkey55

stonemonkey55

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i should have clarified, do you think the SSV with the GG connection is the same as the DBV since the DBV comes with the GG? Is that why the you think the DBV goes thru the bowl quicker?
 
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NSXTACY

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I don't understand why anyone wouldn't like the bags? Bags are the best fun! You can see how thick the vapor is and carry it around with you. Also you can achieve SSV hits if you blow a bag with pretty fresh bud at fan speed 1, you can also get those hits if you use the whip with fan speed 1(super thick hits).
How come the SSv doesn't have digital temp display? It seems like to be a high quality vape you need that, or is it just keeping it aesthetic. Because the SSV does look very nice, i definitely like the look of the SSV over the extreme, at the same time i like the extremes bowl position, where the bowl is upright and you can see the herb. IMO extreme has best bowl design, ssv has a very cool looking hand kit/bowl though. For me it's always been function over aesthetics, that why i would go extreme hands down. I think the only vaporizer i would ever buy just for aesthetics would have to be a vape that was made to look like a traditional ancient hookah with multiple whips. I truly adore everything about hookahs and have always wanted one:D. If i was to get another vape it would be PD, because i need a stealth vape and i just love the design. My favorite part about the extreme is it blows my mind harder in one drag than any other smoking device i have ever used(bong, handpipe, box vape). The most disliked thing about the extreme is it's sturdiness, it can be knocked over easier than the ssv, but it's not like im using it to tee off...so its fine :p I know you guys hate people ranting about their opinions but it's just another point of view for people to take into consideration. :2c:
 
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Acolyte of Zinglon

Acolyte of Zinglon

Wizard-Ninja
whip hits give you more control than bag hits, frankly, i dont see myself usng a bag all the time, and thats where the extreme shines, but not so much in whip mode
dont worry, opinion is all good, its when people tout opinion as fact that they can invoke our wrath

the ssv doesnt have a dig display because its built to last, more electronics just means that theres more that could go wrong with it, and there is also the problem that digital readouts arent completely accurate to the actual temp that ur vaping at
its beauty in simplicity, instead of a bunch of gadgets
this is even addressed in the faq on the ssv site's faq
4. Why does the SSV not have a digital readout?

OK, so you want to know why the SSV does not use a digital readout. Well, I guess I have to answer that with a question of what is this digital readout supposed to read? The element? No I don't think so, that is not the temperature of the air going over your tobacco. The glass around the element? No, that too is not a good reading of the air passing over the tobacco. The only place to get a true readout would be in the tobacco chamber. Well now you would introduce more electronics in the vapor stream. The SSV keeps it simple allowing the product to be even more durable and longer lifespan. Come on, the new volcano vaporizer only offers a 2 year warranty on their digital version. One year less than standard. So you spend more for less reliability? OK. This goes with all things having more electronics. Remember the appliances from 20-30 years ago? They had less tech gadgets but would last and work well. Well, we have adopted those old school American principals. I agree it would be great to know the exact temperature of the air over the tobacco. But I assure you, this information is completely unnecessary. As long as you follow the directions in the SSV manual you will find your proper vaporizing temperature every time. Once you have it down, its like riding a bike. Really the more techy, the more of your money you send over to China.
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Acolyte of Zinglon,
stonemonkey55

stonemonkey55

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I love the SSV and can dial in the right temperature I need pretty much on the first try but I kind of think that is a weak response, that it doesn't have a digital readout due to possible mechanical failure. Whatever the temp that it reads, whether it is the temp of the heating element or the temp of the air passing over the herb, at least that gives you a baseline to compare it to. With my SSV I always turn it to around 2 oclock, and then just a tad up or down depending on my initial turn. i would have preferred a digital readout so I knew exactly where 2 o clock is every single time. Obviously, this wasn't a deal breaker for me but definitely something I would have appreciated. I never had any issue with my Evolutions, Vaporfection, or Steinel heat gun where the digital readout crapped out on me.
 
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Acolyte of Zinglon

Acolyte of Zinglon

Wizard-Ninja
ehh, its not realy an issue for me personally, i was just giving the argument the company gave
a digital readout ssv would be nice, but a digital temp is a luxury, and kinda unneccesary if the vape fires up to a consistant temperature once the knob is in position

one thing i plan to do is mark around the knob, maybe with acryllic paint, so that there are reference points
then ill mark the min and max temps of the various herbs, as well as the off position for the knob, so if the knob comes off (or i decide to get a custom" i wont be sol because i couldnt find where the old one was in the off position

also a matter of personal taste is that i like the simplicity of the ssv's design
 
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stonemonkey55

stonemonkey55

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it's not really an issue for myself as well, I just thought it was a weak explanation for not having a digital readout...have a good weekend
 
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NSXTACY

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I have one more complaint about the ssv while i was watching the video on SSV's site(sorry for being such a critic :/). But it looks very quirky to use on that video and with the whip attached it takes up alot of room. Also why is the adjusting knob on the opposite side of the bowl, seems inconvenient(but not a big deal). The extreme just seems a little more ahead on the sophisticated stature, but i do respect the ssv, it would be the only whip box style vape id buy right now. I do like the ssv's durability standpoint as well, but being a stay at home smoker, my vape never moves, so physical durability isn't utmost importance. I usually smoke spliffs outside house...

Oh and one question: WHy did arizer have to do another temp sensor change? 250 C was fine... what does 10 more degrees on the display gonna change?
 
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vtac

vtac

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NSXTACY said:
Also you can achieve SSV hits if you blow a bag with pretty fresh bud at fan speed 1, you can also get those hits if you use the whip with fan speed
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Does the it morph into the ssv at that speed? :D

NSXTACY said:
How come the SSv doesn't have digital temp display? It seems like to be a high quality vape you need that, or is it just keeping it aesthetic.
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stonemonkey55 said:
I love the SSV and can dial in the right temperature I need pretty much on the first try but I kind of think that is a weak response, that it doesn't have a digital readout due to possible mechanical failure.
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I'd actually bet that most ssv owners would be super pissed if 7th floor changed to a digital display/control. ;)

I have one more complaint about the ssv while i was watching the video on SSV's site
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It's all good, but you do seem to be making a few statements/direct comparisons about something which you don't own/haven't used. :p

These X vs Y threads are always fun. :)

:leaf:

:cheers:
 
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NSXTACY

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vtac said:
I have one more complaint about the ssv while i was watching the video on SSV's site
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It's all good, but you do seem to be making a few statements/direct comparisons about something which you don't own/haven't used. :p

These X vs Y threads are always fun. :)

:leaf:

:cheers:
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I was just saying it looked a little quirky from the video, of course if i actually used one i would probably be alot less negative. Don't take it the wrong way, everybody has their likes, dislikes. ;)

A toke to this forum!! :ko:
 
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stonemonkey55

stonemonkey55

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I'm not doubting that there is a significant % of SSV owners that would be pissed, but I'm sure there is an equal amount of people (like myself) that ended up getting higher end vaporizers with digital readouts because the SSV didn't have one. After owning a SSV, I must say that it out performs my other vapes and wish that I never passed on it. Most of these companies always offer an analog and digital version (Vapezilla, Vaporfection) and with the SSV being super customizable, that would be an option that I think an equal amount of people would appreciate.

I'll vape another one for this forum!
 
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stickstones

stickstones

Vapor concierge
Acolyte of Zinglon said:
whip hits give you more control than bag hits, frankly, i dont see myself usng a bag all the time, and thats where the extreme shines, but not so much in whip mode
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I don't agree with that. With respect to the Extreme only, I would have to say I have more control with bags. The whip can be finicky, and I don't know how much vapor I am getting most of the time until I exhale. I use the whip for the following reasons:

1 -- If I want whip assisted hits
2 -- If it's just me hanging out for a long time in the living room or bedroom
3 -- If I need to be stealthy and 'sneak' quick hits while family or guests are around

There used to be a 4 that was 'if I wanted a really thick hit to nail me hard'. However, after returning to the bag again, it gets me more fucked up than the whip.

I am using the bag much more now because it is more efficient and gets me rocked! As for control, I am in more control with the bag. I can 'see' how much I am getting before I hit it, and I don't have to fill the bag up all the way if I want less. I can also relax and take more smaller hits with the bag. Smaller hits with the whip don't always work because sometimes it takes a certain amount of airflow to get the vapor started, so the hits are not always good and thick when small. But I can get a good and thick hit that is small with the bag every time. The bags also give me the freedom to walk around and get hits, not just be tied down to the E's location.
 
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max

max

Out to lunch
^ My experience with bag and whip leads me to agree with you stick. Bag hits are much more predictable. You're drawing on a supply of vapor that's constant for that bag. How hard you hit it is the only variable. There are more variables with the whip. IMO when it comes to bag vs. whip I don't believe that one method is inherently better than the other as far as getting higher. It's all about how much vapor you absorb.
 
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Beezleb

Beezleb

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Its generally accepted and understood that bags are more consistent and that appeals to many and many others prefer the whip vapes due to the control and the ability of getting monster draws that you dont with a bag.

I normally use the automatic verse stick shift vehicle comparison when talking about types of whips but in this case the metaphor holds true as bags are easy, no real learning curve verses the whip which is a technique that improves with experience.

Some like that learning curve and coaxing the vape to perform how you want it too is just way too cool. If I want monster draws, not a problem, if I want to take it more relaxed and have a bunch of smaller draws that last longer I can do that. I myself love that flexibility which is something I believe would be difficult to get in bag. Sure you can take smaller or larger hits from the bag but the consistency is always the same which isnt a bad thing but not quite what I would be looking for. All a matter of preference.

When you have experience with a whip vape its like more like an instrument or even cooking than a favored appliance. That is just my opinion on bags verses whips and when I reply to question about thats pretty much what I say and help the person pick a vape that best suits your style and use. I originally was looking at a multiple use vape but decided earlier on that for me I would probably only use the bags initially and then perhaps if someone came over he never done it before, maybe. So I went the all whip way.

I would say if I was going to get a bag vape the extreme would be my choice.
 
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