This is what "heavily biased" means. Also, FC is a tiny corner of the vapourizing world. There is no way we are seeing ALL of the people with problems. We're not even seeing a significant percentage of Cloud users.
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This is what "heavily biased" means. Also, FC is a tiny corner of the vapourizing world. There is no way we are seeing ALL of the people with problems. We're not even seeing a significant percentage of Cloud users.
VapeNStone
Mark
Oh I know just wanted to make people feel better lol. Just wanted to get my point across that most of the happy campers won't even comment or don't/won't.
vaplexus
Well-Known Member
i mean compared to other threads on other vapourizers. not that i have read all the threads, nor all the posts. but those that i have perused in the last months it seems like broken cloud users are in the top group of vapes with problems. *shrug* im just mentioning my observation as it was a deciding factor in getting one. and even with the perception of these problems, i still bought it over the others. why? because on the other side of the coin, when they work they really work and there appears to be no other vapourizer like it. and for those with broken ones, its worth the risk and people even want to get a second one as a spare!! THAT in itself blows any other thread i've read because when people complain they typically wish ill for the company that made it. not with the cloud it seems. but still... you have to pass the will-it-break test....
Johny Chaos
Member
Replacement cloud en route - should be her Friday if it follows the same path as the original. Super excited to get back into the clouds!!!
Cannabinaut
Cannasseur and Glasshead
Tomorrow I'm either getting a Mobius stereo matrix 60t or a Leisure 29 arm bubbler (3 rows of reinforced arms, each with 4 vertical slits on the same level like a showerhead) to mate with my Cloud. Only problem is that I have no Cloud! I'm distressed and excited and I can't sleep, also because I don't have my Cloud to carry me to dreamland. I really want to take it in to the shop and test the pull through each tube with the Cloud attached. I'm afraid if I wait any longer for VXL to send me my replacement unit the pipes will be sold. So I'll just go in tomorrow, find a bowl I think has similar restriction and pick one. Then I'll have to wait several days to use it. It'll be sweet torture. Any suggestions on my decision?
Cannabinaut
Cannasseur and Glasshead
Oh god you're reading my mind.
Hi, I'm Ty. This is my first time posting! So, my Vapexhale Cloud with the Swagger Double glass just went through processing in San Francisco! I hope it will get here by Friday! I have been waiting for a week to get an e-mail saying it was shipped!! Anyways, this will be my first time vapeing, ever. To be honest, I didn't even know what a vape was till about a week ago. I checked out a lot of reviews and seen how people were raving about it on here, so i decided to get one, and I am getting the best from what I see on here!
A few questions. Like I said, it will be the first time I have ever vaped in my life, so what should I expect? Will the vapor be harsh, or will I not even feel it? Does it feel like smoke at all? What is the difference in the high I should expect, like is it stronger, weaker..?
Thank you!
A few questions. Like I said, it will be the first time I have ever vaped in my life, so what should I expect? Will the vapor be harsh, or will I not even feel it? Does it feel like smoke at all? What is the difference in the high I should expect, like is it stronger, weaker..?
Thank you!
OO
Technical Skeptical
depending on the temperature, onset tends to come on alot slower, so go easy until you have a feel for it. and don't blow air back in.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
You might want to start the cloud on the 12 o'clock setting, let it warm for a good 20 mins to make sure it's fully heated. Loosely load your ELB, when you take your hit, watch the vapor fill, as you may not feel it as much as you would smoke at first. It will expand a bit and for me, usually hits the head a little at first, but then tends to creep in and continue to go up for about 20 mins so if you vape a couple of hits, sit back and wait for about 10 mins to see how you feel. You should feel it immediately with the Cloud. It should be pretty smooth, and taste really good. I would remove the ELB when not hitting it. It may seem weaker at first, because it won't hit you the same way smoking does. Be patient, savor and enjoy the experience. Once you get comfortable, test different heat settings to find your sweet spot. Also with the Cloud you can use a strong pull, you don't have to be shy when hitting it, but be warned, the stronger you pull the thicker the vapor gets. Avoid blowing back, coughing, laughing or otherwise pushing air back through the tube at all costs!! Don't want water blowing back into the heated Cloud. Also it's a good idea to do a few practice hits with the HT tube away from the Cloud after filling it with water (just above the slits) to make sure water doesn't accidentally leak out some how from the bottom. Make sure the HT is good and dry,especially around the gong connection joint before using it on the Cloud. Hope this helps...best of luck to you!
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
I don't know, I felt the Cloud was a swift kick to the brain when I first got it. I started at 12. I loved it absolutely. Didn't even feel the difference between combusting and the Cloud :-). Cloud was amazing :-).
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In other news, I'm getting my Cloud back (praying today) hopefully tomorrow. It's been shipped and pretty close to my house. I'm so excited, I just can't hide it. I'm sorry, that was terrible. LOL
When my incident happened I promptly cleaned my HydraTree. So it should be a nice clean setup when I get the Cloud in. Can't wait.
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In other news, I'm getting my Cloud back (praying today) hopefully tomorrow. It's been shipped and pretty close to my house. I'm so excited, I just can't hide it. I'm sorry, that was terrible. LOL
When my incident happened I promptly cleaned my HydraTree. So it should be a nice clean setup when I get the Cloud in. Can't wait.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
I would just add that you might want to start at 9 o'clock. Some prefer a lower setting; the 10:30 hash mark is popular. As you move up to higher temperatures, more compounds in the herb get vaporized moving you from a head high to more of a body high. You'll need to experiment to find your sweet spot. Some use more than one setting, e.g., starting at a lower setting and working up to a higher temp. Others choose the temp based on what kind of experience fits their situation, e.g., lower for a daytime alert high and higher for evening relaxing and even yet higher for going to sleep. But a power hitter may just go for 3 o'clock and clear the ELB in 1 or 2 hits, more like using a bong. Higher temps will also deliver more vapor, but how hard you pull determines the amount of vapor more than anything. So you'll want to experiment with both temp and pull, be patient and treat it as an adventure. At first you can easily knock yourself on your ass w/o realizing it. Vapor is not at all as harsh or hot as smoke, not unless you're at a very high temp. Also, not only does the high come on more slowly than smoking, it is also somewhat different, a cleaner high because smoke also contains (unhealthy) compounds caused by combustion such as gases like benzenes, these actually affect the high.
Good luck!
Your Highness
Cannasseur
Since I have received my 65T I haven't been using any other glass. That thing hits like a nuclear bomb when mated to the Cloud. A weapon of mass destruction for sure because you will be destroyed! My 65B should come Friday but I am expecting similar results.
I don't think I will ever part with my 65 T&B or Ion.
Between my UD's, WW and Cloud...I am discovering a whole new world that literally blows combustion out of the water....no pun intended lol
P.S. I love this forum!
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Based on the threads I am following, I would have to disagree (although clearly, I agree with the rest of your post!):
The Solo started off rough with the robot fart and the ceramic issues. Those issues were all over that thread for a long time. When I contacted Arizer they confirmed that it was a small percentage that was affected.
The Puffit thread all but died and now there is hope as they have produced a fix in the cap to get bigger clouds.
The Pax thread was humming along fearlessly when droves of users started complaining about their mouthpieces. The company has started addressing that issue.
The DaVinci thread was humming along when smell issues arose. That thread has slowed to a halt. The company reported it is a small percentage of units affected.
I think you are going to find problems with any new-to-market vape. I'll say it again, it's more important to me that I feel confident in and trust the company behind it when getting a new product. Arizer has earned my trust over the years. The Puffit, Pax and DaVinci makers still have to prove themselves to me, but they are looking good so far. VXL is a different animal in that all of us that have been on this board for a while were familiar with SM before the Cloud and really like him as a member here. When he said he was starting a company up, it was a no-brainer as far as the trust goes. Luckily, he and his crew have outdone themselves on the function of the unit!
What I think shows up on this board more than anything else (as far as complaints and failures go) is a certain type of customer that not only loves the product, but is also a little antsy about being without it. Frankly, that alone is more of an endorsement for the company than the faulty units are a detraction from it. For the first time in two years I have been Cloudless for over a month, so I know the challenges. But really, all that has done is solidify how much I love the product. I, and most of you, have multiple vapes to do the job in the meantime. I've been going back through my collection and reacquainting myself with some older vapes. That has led me to get rid of some and get some accessories for the needed ones. The funny thing is, now my vapes have a new category. No longer are my vapes either whip, bag, stem, portable or whatever. Now they are either a viable Cloud backup or they are not. I actually started searching for the best Cloud backup to have just in case...I have never done that for any other product in my life!
partially veiled
Lo Boob Oscillator
Great summarizing post, stickstones. I agree whole heartedly with everything you've said, except this part:
Clearly the solution to that problem is to buy a second Cloud!
I am teasing, of course, but there is a grain of truth to my joking. I personally have two Clouds even though I am the only person in my household who uses Cannabis these days and even though it was a bit of a financial stretch for me to purchase two units. The vaporizer is just that good, IMO, that I don't want to find myself in a situation where I can't medicate using a Cloud!
Everything else still works fine--I can still get plenty medicated by using my VHW, for instance--but I personally can't imagine enjoying the actual experience of using another vaporizer as much I now enjoy using the Cloud. So, my back up to the Cloud is another Cloud, and for anyone with the desire and the dollars I say go for it!
In a somewhat unrelated matter that still does testify to just how good I feel the Cloud actually is, I was back to periodically combusting before getting the Cloud. Still used my vapes for the majority of sessions but I would smoke a bowl every 10th session or so. That has completely ceased post-Cloud! It's just too good to use anything else when given the option of medicating using the Cloud
Clearly the solution to that problem is to buy a second Cloud!
I am teasing, of course, but there is a grain of truth to my joking. I personally have two Clouds even though I am the only person in my household who uses Cannabis these days and even though it was a bit of a financial stretch for me to purchase two units. The vaporizer is just that good, IMO, that I don't want to find myself in a situation where I can't medicate using a Cloud!Everything else still works fine--I can still get plenty medicated by using my VHW, for instance--but I personally can't imagine enjoying the actual experience of using another vaporizer as much I now enjoy using the Cloud. So, my back up to the Cloud is another Cloud, and for anyone with the desire and the dollars I say go for it!
In a somewhat unrelated matter that still does testify to just how good I feel the Cloud actually is, I was back to periodically combusting before getting the Cloud. Still used my vapes for the majority of sessions but I would smoke a bowl every 10th session or so. That has completely ceased post-Cloud! It's just too good to use anything else when given the option of medicating using the Cloud
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Clearly the solution to that problem is to buy a second Cloud!
Smiley or not, that ended up being the conclusion! The only vapes I found worthy were upwards of $200. At that point I may as well wait for the base unit to become available and buy a second one of those. Notice I didn't say I bought a backup, just that I was looking...couldn't find anything!
The closest thing I got to it was my Extreme. I occassionally run that through my Ion and get some sick ass clouds...but, like you siad, the experience is not as satisfying. This truly is developing into the connoiseur's vape!
Look, we can all get medicated, or high, or whatever we are looking for in any number of ways ranging frome the crude to the refined. And the crude works just fine. But I defy anyone to use the Cloud for even just a month and not be able to name at least three things they would sorely miss without it. For me, taste, intensity and smoothness immediately roll off the tongue. I just haven't found anything else out there that comes close in those areas. The HI has great intensity and airflow, but I find myself thinking 'I wonder if we could make this all glass?' The Solo has great taste and intensity, but then I am wanting more airflow. The Cloud is still the only vape I have ever used that leaves me feeling like my vape collection is truly complete.
AHH, my cloud is in Pittsburgh as of 7:30 this morning so it should be here any time now! I am so excited!!
Thank you for all the responses. Just another quick question. How will I know when the herb is beat? Will vapor just stop coming out? I would asume so, but I've never useed one so i have no clue.
Thank you for all the responses. Just another quick question. How will I know when the herb is beat? Will vapor just stop coming out? I would asume so, but I've never useed one so i have no clue.
You got it.
partially veiled
Lo Boob Oscillator
Exactly sticks. I can get medicated perfectly well with all sorts of devices and methods, and the end product (the high) is more or less the same...but as far as which vape is the most fun and satisfying for me to use, hold, look at, etc...it's the Cloud hands down. Given that any other non-portable vaporizer I'd be interested in is in the $200-$300 range anyway, why would I look anywhere but back to the Cloud for a "back-up" vaporizer? Especially given that the Cloud handles small, log vape sized loads as easily and effeciently as it does a fully loaded ELB!
The only other contender that was in my arsenal pre-Cloud is the VHW: the all glass airway provides tasty, clean hits comparable to the Cloud. However the pleasure, comfort and ease of use of the Cloud knocks the VHW out of the park. If we're talking quality of vapor then they both produce the best quality vapor I've had to date, but if we're talking about which one I enjoy more...it's the Cloud for sure. The aesthetics of the design and the execution of the ideas are superb, and they make my overall enjoyment of the unit that much greater. It's like a little black and silver rocketship that, instead of launching itself, blasts me into outer-space!!!
The only other contender that was in my arsenal pre-Cloud is the VHW: the all glass airway provides tasty, clean hits comparable to the Cloud. However the pleasure, comfort and ease of use of the Cloud knocks the VHW out of the park. If we're talking quality of vapor then they both produce the best quality vapor I've had to date, but if we're talking about which one I enjoy more...it's the Cloud for sure. The aesthetics of the design and the execution of the ideas are superb, and they make my overall enjoyment of the unit that much greater. It's like a little black and silver rocketship that, instead of launching itself, blasts me into outer-space!!!
Cannabinaut
Cannasseur and Glasshead
I still haven't gotten a tracking confirmation yet. I really hope they already sent my package without tracking. The idea of my Cloud just showing up on my doorstep is better than having to wait another two days after I get the email. It's hard hearing about people getting their Clouds back. I had another sleepless night last night because I don't have a vape that can medicate me at night like the Cloud. The Solo is my only other option, and I get tired of sucking on it before I get tired from my medicine. I would have bought a backup Cloud but I had no reason to believe it would get here before my replacement does. For the people getting their tracking numbers already, when did you send your Cloud/order in?
JDSupreme
Head of Pot
vorrange
Vapor.wise
Exactly sticks. I can get medicated perfectly
well with all sorts of devices and methods, and the end product (the high) is more or less the same...but as far as which vape is the most fun and satisfying for me to use, hold, look at, etc...it's the Cloud hands down. Given that any other non-portable vaporizer I'd be interested in is in the $200-$300 range anyway, why would I look anywhere but back to the Cloud for a "back-up" vaporizer? Especially given that the Cloud handles small, log vape sized loads as easily and effeciently as it does a fully loaded ELB!
The only other contender that was in my arsenal pre-Cloud is the VHW: the all glass airway provides tasty, clean hits comparable to the Cloud. However the pleasure, comfort and ease of use of the Cloud knocks the VHW out of the park. If we're talking quality of vapor then they both produce the best quality vapor I've had to date, but if we're talking about which one I enjoy more...it's the Cloud for sure. The aesthetics of the design and the execution of the ideas are superb, and they make my overall enjoyment of the unit that much greater. It's like a little black and silver rocketship that, instead of launching itself, blasts me into outer-space!!!
One little doubt, do you mean by "The only other contender that was in my arsenal pre-Cloud is the VHW: the all glass airway provides tasty, clean hits comparable to the Cloud" that you find the VHW has a better flavour experience than the Cloud?