newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
Bought? You don't need to buy anything. The patent application was free to download.
Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud
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Bought? You don't need to buy anything. The patent application was free to download.
vaplexus
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You do if you want the the actual document formatted for print with the images inline. which i do. so i did.
it is also not "free to download". it is free to view on your screen. the PDF download is $3.
VaporBoxed
Baked
Yeah i wanted to put it out there that my bamboo also does not budge, and my unit functions perfectly.
Boobs, you're one lucky vaporist. I'd love to get my hands on a green cloud!
VapeNStone
Mark
I haven't used my cloud in a month but it also didn't budge. Although I think the first models were made that way and they have since added play. So we all probably have one of the earlier models.
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
You do if you want the the actual document formatted for print with the images inline. which i do. so i did.
I'm not sure what you are talking about? I posted the link to get the PDF with the document formatted with images inline. It was completely free. No problems. Maybe directly from the patent office you have to pay, but if you go to any number of free patent sites, they'll convert the file to PDF for you for free.
http://free.patentfetcher.com/Patent-Fetcher-Form.php
They give you 10 patents free a day.
-- I am in no way affliated with that site, I just used it to get the PDF of the patent.
bassplayer
Well-Known Member
Where can I download the Cloud patent application PDF? I have no problems with my Cloud and am just curious to see the inner workings
Please disregard, I found your earlier post - time for coffee!!!
Thanks! Do you know the patent number?
Please disregard, I found your earlier post - time for coffee!!!
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
vaplexus
Well-Known Member
No flaming. Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member.
oh well I didn't know that. but geez why be such a jerk about it. people.
Slightly Medicated
(SliM) Iron Lungs
Anyone else think the patent diagrams would make a kick ass t-shirt?
Check out my idea for the shirt:
Check out my idea for the shirt:
vaplexus
Well-Known Member
Love it!
VaporBoxed
Baked
I just got mine about less than a week ago. So im guessing i got a new model with no wiggle. I think I prefer it that way.
Slim, those shirts would be awesome. I'd take just one with the diagram and no vxh logo on the front. Or maybe even the diagram on the back and the logo stays on the front.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
Honestly, I didn't intend to be a jerk about it. I'm sorry if I came across that way to you. But I had just posted the free link to the pdf patent yesterday or the day before (actually my second time posting it in this thread), thats why I was confused. I was trying to figure out if you bought it because of my post and wanted to rectify the situation. However, I guess you didn't see it at all.
I just want to inform the FC community that there is no need to buy the patent application, and had someone read your post, they would feel inclined to buy as well when there is no need too. That's all I was trying to accomplish.
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So I'm sitting here with my EQ, thinking about my beloved Cloud at the Quality Control location. And, here I am thinking, how does VapeXhale do quality control? Do they bring in a bunch of people, grab like a quarter pound, and just start hitting them one after another, LOL :-). That would be the craziest scene I could ever think of. All of them on an assembly line, hydra tube in hand, going from unit to unit. LOL. This one is good! Check!
In all honestly, I wonder what do they do? Do they put it on max, and let it run for it's maximum allotted time and take the temperature? Etc. Anyhow, just me thinking out loud to you guys.
High Sigh
SG addict
I am finally home to post pics so here goes.
I will try to break it down as simply as possible.
This is what would happen BEFORE the break, even though it is clearly broken in the pic. The weight of the hydratube sitting on the unit would push down the tube as far as possible, and this is what would happen when I tried to pull it off. I never pulled it out further than it needed to before it snapped.
This next picture shows my broken cloud, with the Bamboo removed.
Heres another pic of how the bamboo would slide out, before the joint snapped, even though the pic was taken after.
These next two show the angle pointing into the cloud, as you can see, the heater seems to be intact
As you can see, the tube does indeed come all the way out, but the unit still works. Im not claiming that the breaking of the joint was vapexhales fault, but I do not believe it should have been sliding like that after normal, careful use. I do not even see how the joint snapping would cause this to slide out, because wouldnt it get pushed in from a hit too hard, instead of having the bamboo slide out. Also, to clarify for SM55, when I submitted my ticket I didnt mention the sliding of the tube because I read in this thread, a post from a VXL rep., that the play should be normal. It is quite obvious now that this is not the play they were talking about, but I mistakenly thought it was, since the unit still worked fine.
I will try to break it down as simply as possible.
This is what would happen BEFORE the break, even though it is clearly broken in the pic. The weight of the hydratube sitting on the unit would push down the tube as far as possible, and this is what would happen when I tried to pull it off. I never pulled it out further than it needed to before it snapped.
This next picture shows my broken cloud, with the Bamboo removed.
Heres another pic of how the bamboo would slide out, before the joint snapped, even though the pic was taken after.
These next two show the angle pointing into the cloud, as you can see, the heater seems to be intact
As you can see, the tube does indeed come all the way out, but the unit still works. Im not claiming that the breaking of the joint was vapexhales fault, but I do not believe it should have been sliding like that after normal, careful use. I do not even see how the joint snapping would cause this to slide out, because wouldnt it get pushed in from a hit too hard, instead of having the bamboo slide out. Also, to clarify for SM55, when I submitted my ticket I didnt mention the sliding of the tube because I read in this thread, a post from a VXL rep., that the play should be normal. It is quite obvious now that this is not the play they were talking about, but I mistakenly thought it was, since the unit still worked fine.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
About the "wiggle" (or lack thereof) . . . without getting into too much detail, the heater wraps the tube mid-section in such a way that the glass can withstand thermal effects (as Troi ref'd in an earlier post). That slack also permits to tube to move slightly up or down. If the tube doesn't move, it simply means that it is held tight by the wrap; push on it enough and it will. But the tube could disengage from the heater if moved too far; the stops at each end prevent that.
Also, the tube/heater is very tightly encased in a thermal jacket. If anyone has the urge to disassemble a working Cloud to see this, IMO there is a very high probability you won't be able to reassemble it and have it still working. Even if the Cloud is already non-functional, disassembling it can easily result in components being broken, particularly the tube/heater/jacket sub-assembly.
Also, the tube/heater is very tightly encased in a thermal jacket. If anyone has the urge to disassemble a working Cloud to see this, IMO there is a very high probability you won't be able to reassemble it and have it still working. Even if the Cloud is already non-functional, disassembling it can easily result in components being broken, particularly the tube/heater/jacket sub-assembly.
SD_haze
Well-Known Member
Unless I'm missing something, if you have a non-functional non-repairable cloud, is there any reason breaking components during disassembly would matter?
neve13
i think i overmedicated.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
No, you're right. I should have worded that better. What I had in mind is that taking apart the tube/heater/jacket assembly, especially if the tube has already been damaged, can result in a mess of very fine glass shards mixed with other material. Be extra careful.
Thanks for catching that.
vaplexus
Well-Known Member
If you look at the patent application its pretty interesting: the bamboo has two chambers separated by narrower channels. the idea is that this causes turbulance in the larger open areas which "homogenizes the temperature" better through the air. also it looks like the heater could be a big sucker. i dont see any reason to fuse the heater to the bamboo though, its about radiating IR into the bamboo glass - fusing it would cause higher temperatures where the heater contacts the glass. better to have them separated by air and allow the IR to do the work. i hope its not really fused or they can give rationale for why its better.
but its a good design and certainly evidence that they worked through a number of different variations as they made discoveries on how to improve the previous design. its that kind of simple design that you know is simple because so much research was done on it. in other words - functional art.
i have not seen a cloud but presumably they are well made. if that is the case, that and the R&D on this plus perhaps some manufacturing and fabrication challenges contribute to the cost. but really in a bundle with glass, compared to the a la cart glass, the cloud is coming in at around $275. so if you say the glass is maybe $50 over priced a la cart, then that makes the cloud $325 which is still really good for what it is. compare that to the cost of an Herbal Aire or Arizer Extreme, or whatever. even an SSV or LSV.
you have to keep in mind that this is a system: a high quality, well conceived and designed vape and a presumably high quality and effective glass. hence the price. not like any other vape.
One thought: the cloud is not really an all glass path. the bowls are what, stainless? might be ok but you can't say its all glass. thats a little disappointing. so now my mind is working out how to truly make it all-glass.
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but its a good design and certainly evidence that they worked through a number of different variations as they made discoveries on how to improve the previous design. its that kind of simple design that you know is simple because so much research was done on it. in other words - functional art.
i have not seen a cloud but presumably they are well made. if that is the case, that and the R&D on this plus perhaps some manufacturing and fabrication challenges contribute to the cost. but really in a bundle with glass, compared to the a la cart glass, the cloud is coming in at around $275. so if you say the glass is maybe $50 over priced a la cart, then that makes the cloud $325 which is still really good for what it is. compare that to the cost of an Herbal Aire or Arizer Extreme, or whatever. even an SSV or LSV.
you have to keep in mind that this is a system: a high quality, well conceived and designed vape and a presumably high quality and effective glass. hence the price. not like any other vape.
One thought: the cloud is not really an all glass path. the bowls are what, stainless? might be ok but you can't say its all glass. thats a little disappointing. so now my mind is working out how to truly make it all-glass.
Modnote: Merged. When possible, please avoid making back-to-back posts in a thread. Use the Edit feature located at the bottom of your posts.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Glass bowl insert, possibly like the cup one that the solo has?
vaplexus
Well-Known Member
yes . or i wonder if a sack made of fibreglass weave would work. but oooh gotta be careful about inhaling glass fibres... yeah probably not a good idea. i wonder about some kind of find mesh... well glass. to make it all glass, it has to be glass.
what material are the stock bowls made from? and, do you know that definitively? can you cite a source?