The Magic-Flight Box

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rhc974 said:
Hey if I can piggyback on the battery question I have the MFLB batteries and the charger and I purchased 4 DigiPower batteries and charger. Even using the batteries in the charger they came with they get they batteries to hot the charger aren't hot but batteries are to hot to hold. I understand PowerEx batteries are the best and will re-supply with those in the future.

My question, is there a charger that is noted as the best Charger or one that will charge my two or three different battery manufactures?
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DigiPower sells several different combinations of batteries and charger. From your description, I suspect that you bought a Rapid Charger because you say the batteries get quite hot. Regardless of whether your batteries are HSD or LSD, a Rapid Charger is bad for them. You are getting shorter charging time at the expense of shorter battery life.

See the Chargers section of the MFLB Vaporpedia entry, and you might also want to read the Batteries section. If you're not sure what HSD and LSD mean, they're explained there.
 
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Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl

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willieR said:
So nothing more powerful than the 2700 Powerex. Got it. Thanks all.
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For now, yeah. I'm always on the lookout for a better battery, but due to actual physical constraints, you can't get an awful lot of mah more out of a AA form factor.

SteveStevenson said:
Anyone ever heard of the Da Kube?
Is it really the same as the LB?
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Yes. No.

Well, it's the same in the idea and build, but other than the price, what improvements have been made? None. It's a ripoff of the LB for a bit less but I wouldn't trust that thing. Can't speak for how well it works, but if my line of though is right, they haven't put as much R&D into it as MF did.
 
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Quetzalcoatl said:
For now, yeah. I'm always on the lookout for a better battery, but due to actual physical constraints, you can't get an awful lot of mah more out of a AA form factor.


Yes. No.

Well, it's the same in the idea and build, but other than the price, what improvements have been made? None. It's a ripoff of the LB for a bit less but I wouldn't trust that thing. Can't speak for how well it works, but if my line of though is right, they haven't put as much R&D into it as MF did.
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If it's not broken, why fix it?
From what I gathered, even the replacements parts from LB fit with it. So as long as no health damaging parts are used in the production of it, it should be literally the same for a lower price.
Of course it's shady business (how does that even work legally?), but aside from that, is it viable?
 
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Seek

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It will probably not work well or at all. MFLB heater screen is very complex to calculate for "just right" performance. Heat up fast enough, heat transfer, not too much or too little heat. If someone just welds screen to rails and puts power to it, chances that it will actually vaporize will be neglible. I don't believe there will ever be a MFLB knockoff that will perform better than the original. The original is too much "optimized" for the best performance possible with this idea.
 
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I would not buy a ripoff item just to save some small $$. Surely there's poor support when you need it.
 
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Seek said:
It will probably not work well or at all. MFLB heater screen is very complex to calculate for "just right" performance. Heat up fast enough, heat transfer, not too much or too little heat. If someone just welds screen to rails and puts power to it, chances that it will actually vaporize will be neglible. I don't believe there will ever be a MFLB knockoff that will perform better than the original. The original is too much "optimized" for the best performance possible with this idea.
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Actually those who have tried MFLB knockoffs have said that they do work. I agree, however, that there is no way they will work as well as the LB because you are absolutely right about the optimized design. As for legality, Magic-Flight has filed for a patent but until it is granted there's no protection from ripoffs. Except, of course, people like us who educate potential buyers about the differences.
 
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Quetzalcoatl

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I was thinkin' about a couple of other things and couldn't reply, but basically what Seek said.

It looks simple in construction, and in fact it is, but you have to think about the people behind it. Well-learned people. People who know it's damn-near impossible to calculate air flow and other crazy stuff like that. Heat transfer, conduction, infrared beams bouncing around, etc. Someone that owns a Dragon Lite told me it took them 10 seconds to warm up properly and begin hitting it... I'm laughing cuz 2-3 seconds on mine and I'm ready to hit it (with PA), and by the 10 second mark I'm already off the power and sucking up the vapor through the ice and setting the piece down.

Also, re: the legal thing, I don't think Magic Flight has even been awarded a patent yet, hence the knockoffs.

Edit: nevermind, pakalolo beat me to it :cry:
 
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Re ; Da Kube
Sometimes you have to rely on word of mouth .

There's over 700 pages for the mflb thread .
How many pages are there for Da Kube thread, or is there even one ?

I saw a pic and read some reviews about it on this thread back on page...?
Sorry , don't know what page .:shrug:
 
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X24

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The box costs like $10. You're paying the extra 60-70 for the R&D and, more importantly, the LIFETIME warranty.

Even if you can look past the shady business practices, knockoffs still aren't as good a value as the MFLB.
 
rhc974

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pakalolo said:
DigiPower sells several different combinations of batteries and charger. From your description, I suspect that you bought a Rapid Charger because you say the batteries get quite hot. Regardless of whether your batteries are HSD or LSD, a Rapid Charger is bad for them. You are getting shorter charging time at the expense of shorter battery life.

See the Chargers section of the MFLB Vaporpedia entry, and you might also want to read the Batteries section. If you're not sure what HSD and LSD mean, they're explained there.
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Thanks Pakalolo,
Yes thanks so much for creating Vaporpedia website. I have used it And read it over and over again. Yes the answer was there but I quit reading each time when I got to: "with millions of possible test configurations" Yes it is a rapid charger that takes 3-4 hours so thought rapid was marketing. But, the standard charger with the batteries it came with over heats as well. Not over night but shortly after the green light goes on they are to hot.
Thanks again,
Harry
 
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pakalolo

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rhc974 said:
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Thanks Pakalolo,
Yes thanks so much for creating Vaporpedia website. I have used it And read it over and over again. Yes the answer was there but I quit reading each time when I got to: "with millions of possible test configurations" Yes it is a rapid charger that takes 3-4 hours so thought rapid was marketing. But, the standard charger with the batteries it came with over heats as well. Not over night but shortly after the green light goes on they are to hot.
Thanks again,
Harry
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To clarify, I created the MFLB entry but not the entire Vaporpedia, credit for that goes to vtac (for the base) and other contributors (for other entries).

A rapid charger takes only 15 minutes or so. If yours is taking 3-4 hours and makes the batteries too hot to hold, stop using it and get another charger. That shouldn't happen. A good charger will make the batteries warm but not so hot you can't hold them.
 
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Rusty778

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SteveStevenson said:
If it's not broken, why fix it?
From what I gathered, even the replacements parts from LB fit with it. So as long as no health damaging parts are used in the production of it, it should be literally the same for a lower price.
Of course it's shady business (how does that even work legally?), but aside from that, is it viable?
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It is "viable" in the sense that it will produce vapor. But the facts remain that Da Kube has no lifetime warranty unlike the MFLB, and is based upon another product. Who knows if they use lead solder to fuse the screen to the bars? Additionally, there is no such thing as "replacement" parts for the MFLB, excluding accessories like batteries.

At the end of the day you are taking part in undermining a good natured company that legitimately cares about it's customers. Not sure if that matters to you but that sort of thing tends to weigh on my conscience..
 
Vicki

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I don't use my batteries as often as my PA, but I'm going to top them off for the weekend. Hurricane Isaac is supposed to be hitting us beginning Sunday night.
 
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Cereal_MF

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haha so your batteries are reserved for emergency use.. I like it.
I should have my PA in a few days. O M G :)
 
schmokinVapes

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Vicki said:
I don't use my batteries as often as my PA, but I'm going to top them off for the weekend. Hurricane Isaac is supposed to be hitting us beginning Sunday night.
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I get my PA tomorrow and then possibly lose power on Sunday? Damn it! Need to keep my batteries charged and top-off my charging on my car's jump-box, since it has a plug on it it would be great for the PA or Volcano in no-power situation.
 
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Vicki

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schmokinVapes said:
I get my PA tomorrow and then possibly lose power on Sunday? Damn it! Need to keep my batteries charged and top-off my charging on my car's jump-box, since it has a plug on it it would be great for the PA or Volcano in no-power situation.
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Yeah, I wasn't happy when I saw the track either. Hopefully they are wrong.

I do use my batteries, situations like being in the yard or being in bed, etc. I love the car adapter too. :)
 
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Cereal_MF

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i ordered the car adapter with my PA and bong insert. Figured what the hell, why NOT? maybe I can even vape the bong in the car! Roadtripvilla!
 
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Vicki

Vicki

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Cereal_MF said:
i ordered the car adapter with my PA and bong insert. Figured what the hell, why NOT? maybe I can even vape the bong in the car! Roadtripvilla!
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The car adapter is worth every penny. Just another way (in addition to the PA) to save batteries for times when electricity is not readily available. :)
 
al bundy

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Last major hurricane i was in was David.1979 actually used a canoe on Kimberly Blvd.
Be safe down there Still have family in South Fla.
 
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VapingLobster

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Does anyone else experience battery life degrading at an alarming rate?

I've had my MFLB since May and the original 2 powerex batteries it came with died by the end of June, they wouldn't hold charge past an hour even without use.

I purchased some new Sony NiMH 2700s and they worked GREAT for about 2 months and now instead of being able to last about an hour each they only last 10 minutes.

I use rechargeable batteries in a lot of electronics and none degrade at this rate...I think it is because I charge them too often and perhaps use them at a much faster rate than the manufacturer had predicted. I charge my batteries around 4 times a day.
 
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Quetzalcoatl

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VapingLobster said:
Does anyone else experience battery life degrading at an alarming rate?

I've had my MFLB since May and the original 2 powerex batteries it came with died by the end of June, they wouldn't hold charge past an hour even without use.

I purchased some new Sony NiMH 2700s and they worked GREAT for about 2 months and now instead of being able to last about an hour each they only last 10 minutes.

I use rechargeable batteries in a lot of electronics and none degrade at this rate...I think it is because I charge them too often and perhaps use them at a much faster rate than the manufacturer had predicted. I charge my batteries around 4 times a day.
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They don't come with Powerex (rather, LSD Imedion 2400's I believe?), but your use sounds heavy if you're draining them 4 times a day. I think you need to invest in the power adapter and get infinite power. I know it sounds like a sales pitch, but adjustable power from just about 0 vapor up to "combustion-in-5-seconds" high if you want/like a fast draw. It IS $60 so it's an investment for sure, but IMO it's already paid itself off for me since I got it ~1.5 months ago.

You're doing a full cycle on the batteries from charged to near-dead I assume, I remember reading a long time ago most batteries are rated for 500 cycles before they start to degrade, so at 4x a day, that 500 charges is achieved in 125 days, if not less... see where I'm going with this?

I also think maybe you need a different vaporizer, although that's almost the equivalent of heresy around these parts ;) are stealth and portability major factors? Have you considered a desktop vaporizer like the Extreme Q or an Underdog? Possibly even a Pax?
 
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