Heat Gun Question

vtac

vtac

vapor junkie
Staff member
For sure the SSV kicks ass. But...

Take my word.... I know what you are trying to achieve get the SSV and use it once and then come back and tell me you think you made the wrong decision... never happen!!
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Some people may prefer a heatgun setup for various reasons. The OP seems like he may be one. :)

Really, the pros of a heatgun system are pretty nice: Usable with pretty much any glass, big hits, etc. Someone needs to make a no-compromises heatgun with a glass/stainless steel path specifically for us picky vaporists. :brow:
 
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vaporcloud

vaporcloud

lurking kiwi
Because most heat guns run thru some sort of water filtration ... wouldn't this filter out any mystery particles.

The problem with heatguns IMO is the noise. When I'm vapping at 11pm ... if I started a heatgun up it would wake the bloody house!
 
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vtac

vtac

vapor junkie
Staff member
Water should filter out particles, but of course they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Yep, cons for heatguns as well, different strokes. :)
 
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vtac

vtac

vapor junkie
Staff member
Mark McCoy said:
The Steinel heat guns are not "intended" for phyto-inhalation; however they
have been used for over 20 years and are used in clean room applications for
medical device and semi conductor manufacturing. The materials around the
heated air flow are medical grade: Ceramic encapsulated nichrome element
inside a stainless steel nozzle. Could it be better sure? I'd love to see
the boards all silicon dipped as is standard practice for electronic medical
devices and I'd love to see the be changed to a different material but at
the end of the day the greatest risk you're looking at pragmatically
speaking is a carbon ion coming off of the fan motor and maybe getting into
the air flow. This should be filtered off if you're running through water
anyway and to put it into relative terms all the carbon ions that would ever
come off the fan motor on that heat gun during its entire lifespan would be
significantly less than the carbon found in ONE SINGLE INHALATION OF SMOKE.
There has been a lot of demonizing of the heat guns by Storz and Bickel who
ironically, first went to Steinel in Germany when developing the Volcano for
possible manufacturing solutions. Also a bit ironic: they chose to go with
an Aluminum element!!! Cheap yes....clean? I hope so!!! Also dry hot
vapor and with most medicinal herbs its actually the heat and dryness that
does the majority of the damage whether your talking smoke or vapor.

But that said, we are about to release a Vaporization Heat Wand that
utilizes an all glass heating surface and nozzle so there is nothing
touching the air you're inhaling except hot glass!!! It's smaller, silent,
only 60W, and less expensive too. It will take a little longer to heat up
(a couple of minutes after plugged in) and when you're taking inhalations
you'll have to take a pull or two to get it going (no fan)....BUT, for most
people concerned about purity and vapor quality it will be the best way to
get a true clean and aromatic vapor extraction and inhalation. And because
it is part of our modular "tools" approach you'll benefit sequential venturi
extraction efficiency (the broadest spectrum vapor in the world bar none)
and water/ice moisture conditioning and cooling. The heat gun, especially
the new HG2510 is still the elephant gun of vapor...ridiculously accurate
and ridiculously huge inhalation potential, but the wand has some really
nice perks and is my choice of tools if I'm not in a huge hurry.

Stay posted. Production availability expected in the next 30 days.


Thanks for the interest,

Mark McCoy
VripTech Int.
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vtac,
max

max

Out to lunch
It's smaller, silent, only 60W, and less expensive too.
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THAT'S the upcoming 'vapor gun' I was hearing about.

Good 'horse's mouth' info vtac. You get a gold leaf today. :leaf: (you'll have to imagine the right color).
 
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vtac

vtac

vapor junkie
Staff member
THAT'S the upcoming 'vapor gun' I was hearing about.
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Yeah, I'm interested to see what it's all about. Do you have insiders or something?

Gold leaf? Thanks! Well... since Photoshop was open. :lol:

goldleaf.png
 
vtac,
max

max

Out to lunch
Do you have insiders or something?
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Well, I could tell you but then ..... (you know how the rest of that hackneyed line goes) ;) . Somebody on another forum reported the same Vriptech statement a while back. And they have this on their site now:

The VripMaster High Performance Vaporization Heat Tool
The first ever vaporization-specific heat gun designed to optimize the SVT.

PRICE: Coming Soon!

http://www.vriptech.com/product.htm

Nice gold leaf (showoff :/)
 
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SpiralArchitect

SpiralArchitect

? & beyond
Damn. first off, I'm saving that giant gold leaf for use later. :brow:

A heatgun setup is very appealing to me. I think I'll wait until the new vaporizing heat tool is released. I wasn't aware of the problem with microscopic carbon inhalation, but water filtration should ease any concerns. It looks like Steinel realizes their market for people wanting to use them as vaporizing tools.

It says product update in 30 days, and that was last month.... hopefully soon we can hear from them on the new heatgun. :D
 
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vtac

vtac

vapor junkie
Staff member
SpiralArchitect said:
I wasn't aware of the problem with microscopic carbon inhalation, but water filtration should ease any concerns.
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You did see the "all the carbon ions that would ever come off the fan motor on that heat gun during its entire lifespan would be significantly less than the carbon found in ONE SINGLE INHALATION OF SMOKE." part right? I'm not saying it's true (how the fuck would I know), but since you're such an avid bong smoker I just had to ask. ;)

DigitalDavinci said:
Nice work on the leaf vtac. Really pro! :cool:
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haha thanks :) I actually just traced a real leaf with the pen tool.

Same as :bigleaf:
 
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Khantagious

Khantagious

Well-Known Member
Sorry to revive such an old thread, but I'm new here, and I have some questions about heat guns.

I got a Craftsman 27801 from my local Sears for $89 (they are apparently now discontinued, so it was inexpensive, but it was the last one in stock) to use with a Vriptech VCB/PerK. I know that the SVT manual on Vriptech's site mentions that this model is basically the guts of a Steinel HL 2002 LE with the Craftsman name on the label (it says "SWISS MADE Sears, Roebuck, and Co." on the device). But I'm wondering if I am taking risks with my health by having gotten a cheaper heat gun, rather than a higher end Steinel.

I know that I am much better off than I would be with combustion (especially considering I used to use a Bic lighter that would cook it's cheap little metal nozzle-guard nice and carcinogenic-like). But I can't help getting sketched out every once in awhile with the thought of using a tool designed for stripping paint off the sides of buildings to deliver medicine into my lungs on a daily basis.

Any comforting words from long-time heat gun users?
 
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Carbon

Carbon

Well-Known Member
It has a ceramic heating element does it not? I think the only issue people saw with those guns was the fact that the electronics were not isolated from the path of the hot air. I used a Steinel heat gun with Vriptech water tool setup for a good couple years or more. I too shared your sentiment that it was perhaps a scary device to be using for this purpose, but I don't think the temperatures are high enough that you should be very worried. Disclaimer: I'm not scientist and have not read much literature on this topic. I ended up moving away from the Vriptech system mostly because it got to be an annoying and cumbersome thing to operate. It had great effects and was quite efficient, but the hassle and forced air aspect of it left me desiring something else. I think Vriptech had similar concerns which is why they came out with that wand which I still have yet to try.
 
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Khantagious

Khantagious

Well-Known Member
Thanks for your reply, Carbon. The 27801 does indeed have a ceramic heating element.

Carbon said:
I think the only issue people saw with those guns was the fact that the electronics were not isolated from the path of the hot air.
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When you say "those guns" is that in reference specifically to the 27801, or to heat guns in general? If this represents some difference between the Craftsman and Steinel labels, I would definitely want to know more about it.

So, I guess, when it comes down to it, I have two concerns: a) am I taking health risks using a <$100 gun instead of a >$200 gun? and b) am I taking health risks using a heat gun in general. This thread has certainly given good coverage to my second question, though it is a question that will clearly remain an ongoing discussion, until some respiratory toxicologists come along and perform a study that passes the rigors of peer review and gets published, and that is unlikely to happen due to lack of interest in that field.

I have indeed tried Vriptech's VHW (wand) and it is amazing, and I want one (either that or a MagickWand, I actually started a thread to compare the two here), but I see it as more of a complement to, rather than a replacement for, the heat gun. There is something I find very satisfying about the heat gun method that makes me really wish to have some confidence that I'm okay using it. I am now considering whether getting a higher end model (e.g. one of the models in Steinel's 2000 series) might help give me more of that confidence.

By the way, Carbon, when you mentioned having moved on from a heat gun system, should I infer from your forum picture that you switched to a Volcano?
 
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Hippie Dickie

Hippie Dickie

The Herbal Cube
Manufacturer
two other concerns i read about the heat gun some time ago (different forum):

(1) the fan has carbon brushes (cylinders of carbon that carry the electricity in the motor) that can disintegrate into carbon powder that gets into the air stream

(2) there is insulation the air blows through, and could pick up particles of insulation.

you could take it apart and see if either of these concerns apply to your model heat gun.
 
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Khantagious

Khantagious

Well-Known Member
Wow, HippieDickie, way to be a buzzkill :ko:

But seriously, I do appreciate you bringing that to my attention. I will definitely have to take apart my gun to check for those potential issues.

Any heat gun veterans out there know whether these are issues with certain guns and not others?
 
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iksworbeZ

iksworbeZ

Vapour Connoisseur
I agree with Spyder, I started with (and still use) the steinel, but ended up eventually buying a DBV (I sort of think of it as SSV Junior)

Sometimes i will place the DBV on an empty three ring binder to emmulate the downward angle of the SSV, but to be honest I see no real advantage (unless i'm vaping keif)
 
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