The Magic-Flight Box

BigDaddyVapor said:

Uhm... I got both of those points, guys.

paka... it was kind of a rhetorical statement.

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Understood, but still a misleading one. You'll have to forgive me for being picky, but I recently wrote a 1200 word article on vaporizing by temperature in which I went to great lengths to dispel this myth. The popular temperature chart that floats around the interwebs encourages people to think that at temperature x you get y, and that's not what happens. I am as guilty as anyone of aiding this, in that I formatted and posted such a chart to Vaporpedia--which reminds me that I should add this qualification to that article. Oops. BBIAB.

BigDaddyVapor said:

Uhm... I got both of those points, guys.

paka... it was kind of a rhetorical statement.

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I was asking a question for real to see how you felt about this, not being rhetorical.

Not really misleading, when taken into context. My comment was saying that the 40% - 60% numbers, by the math of the PA (1.2v - 2.0v), are not possible with a battery (40% PA is about the very max charge of a fresh battery).

However, we were really talking about two different things, or methods, theories... or something. We were basically agreeing... just two different wavelengths of communication.

luchiano said:

I was asking a question for real to see how you felt about this, not being rhetorical.

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Huh?

Quetzalcoatl said:

By the way, wanted to say thanks again to MF for this thing. ... was able to get my glass, PA, and box fitted together without having to open my eyes! ... I'm really glad I have something that goes from cold to delivering in 5 seconds. 5 more minutes surely might have meant the difference between me being here and me puking and crying for hours...

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Hi Quetzalcoatl,

Glad that it was of some help! Hope you feel completely restored soon.

pakalolo said:

... I recently wrote a 1200 word article on vaporizing by temperature in which I went to great lengths to dispel this myth. The popular temperature chart that floats around the interwebs encourages people to think that at temperature x you get y, and that's not what happens. ...

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We agree -- the notion of temperature is at best only a rough indicator of what is going to happen when. The notion of available energy and the latent heat of vaporization, the available surface area, partial vapor pressures (when all of the various ingredients are in a mixture), composite surface tension with the plant matter, etc, etc, all have a complex effect on what exactly will be the proportions of which components will be in vapor form. Even when cycling the exact same temperature profile from one draw to the next, the mix of actives will change significantly -- lighter and more aromatic components will tend to predominate earlier and more sedative effects tend to predominate later.

In regards to the power supply and with batteries both, the voltages will tend to vary more widely in an open circuit situation then when in actual use in the Box. The high active current tends to pull the measured voltage down quite a bit in both situations. The overall situation is really about the delivered power (product of voltage and current) more than it is about either factor independently. To a large extent, the brightness of the light in the Box itself is actually a fairly reliable indicator of the amount of energy being delivered. Once you learn to recognize a certain brightness as being indicative of a characteristic performance in a given Box, the PA units tend to be fairly interchangeable (though dial settings may vary somewhat from PA to PA). It is very much the case though that different Box units will have different light brightness for "equivalent" performance (due to the nature of the parts, this cannot be helped).

-- Magic-Flight

PS: Those charts posted earlier were made with a battery.

Edit: Pakalolo; Any chance we can get a link to that article?

luchiano said:

Bigdaddyvapor, the graphs I linked you to was the MFLB people showing temperatures using different methods. They used a battery not the PA(it wasn't available yet) and measured the temperature at the bottom of the trench(where the herb sits). You don't think there results aren't replicable in daily use if you just load the trench enough to cover the screen to keep the herb as close to the temperatures they found?.

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No, I don't think their results are easily replicable. Regardless, they were still performed in a controlled environment, from the temp, humidity, to the box, battery, etc.

Unless those conditions are replicated exactly, or very close to exact, you are going to see the variables pop up, in your results.

Was this the question? I'm becoming confused, because after coming to what I thought was an agreement, of the theory... we seem to be back at some disagreement.

To add to my answer, about variables and those test results (from MF's answer above)...

...the available surface area, partial vapor pressures (when all of the various ingredients are in a mixture), composite surface tension with the plant matter, etc, etc, all have a complex effect on what exactly will be the proportions of which components will be in vapor form. Even when cycling the exact same temperature profile from one draw to the next, the mix of actives will change significantly

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Bigdaddyvapor, I asked because the answers you gave were referring to the PA and I was wondering if you felt the same when the battery is being used. It was just to see how you felt about the battery but we are in agreement. Shit, I'm getting confused now.lol

I think we got mixed up, because we were talking about the PA and you brought the charts up, to make a point in regards to the nature of the cannabinoids. Then we strayed a bit talking about the charts... but it was the charts, that ultimately showed us we were speaking the same language, just different dialects.

Then paka showed up and all Hell broke loose...

Maybe we should just ignore all these other people. I blame them.

magicflight said:

...the notion of temperature is at best only a rough indicator of what is going to happen when. The notion of available energy and the latent heat of vaporization, the available surface area, partial vapor pressures (when all of the various ingredients are in a mixture), composite surface tension with the plant matter, etc, etc, all have a complex effect on what exactly will be the proportions of which components will be in vapor form.

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This is pretty much what I wrote, but in a simpler and less elegant fashion.

magicflight said:

Edit: Pakalolo; Any chance we can get a link to that article?

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Certainly. It was for Vape World: Vaporising by temperature.

BigDaddyVapor said:

Then paka showed up and all Hell broke lose...

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This is true, I did hi-jack the thread to talk about vaporizing by temperature.

mod note: Do not hi-jack the thread. Please stay on topic.

pakalolo said:

Certainly. It was for Vape World: Vaporising by temperature.

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Excellent article!

Hi FC & MFLB staff.

Just wanted to post about my experience, maybe it will help someone particularly if they're new.

I bought my LB about 5 weeks ago. It arrived in the UK in about 1 week with no bill from customs which was a nice start.

Everything I ordered was there, LB, PA, grinder, stems etc all in 2 nice black bags which are good for keeping it from prying eyes. There's also a nice hand written note.

Everything feels solid with a certain level of quality to it.

Within minutes I've successfully vaped for the first time and have vowed never to smoke again.

Within days my 'need' to smoke has gone entirely which I'm very pleased with.

Admittedly my vaping technique probably needs work but I'm getting suitably baked for 1-3 hours off just a couple of hits. I miss the immediacy of combusting but patience with the LB is well worth it.

I'm using herb at less than 50% the rate I was when combusting it with tobacco so I'm saving cash too.

Plus I enjoyed some edibles for the first time. 1g of abv per firecracker without baking and I was good for 6 hours or so.

My only criticism is the connector on the pa needs a bit of a twist/fiddle to make a good connection but that's no biggie.

I've only used the batts once but they worked as expected and were fully charged when they arrived.

All in all a very positive experience for me. Enjoying herb, tobacco has gone, I feel a lot better and I'm very happy with my MFLB.

on the vsyndicate credit card grinder. I have the 'classic' version with the V shaped grinder cut into it. It works perfectly, as it will lay flat on the mflb with ons side of the V directly above the trench. I love it! Other than having a tic tac container filled with preground, this is IMO the best way to load the beloved LB.

Bdv and luchiano...marijuana is a hell of a drug! That was informative and entertaining!

Hello, FC world. Just wanted to say hello, and that I've enjoyed reading the adventures of my fellow MFLB enthusiasts. My personal favorite is the walnut premium wood box, it has a unique flavor and aroma that compliments the herbal goodness. I first used the walnut as a limited run MF did almost two years ago, but I hear more are coming soon...

Also, just read about MF's creativity contest. How cool is this?

http://blog.magic-flight.com/magic-flight-creativity-contest/

BigDaddyVapor should enter the contest with his milky vaporbonging videos. Just because he's obviously using an SSV off camera shouldn't disqualify him.... I won't tell, I promise.

i'd love a dark stained MFLB

I'm fortunate enough to have an exotic walnut MFLB, and I love it. I really like the dark wood. I also have two other MFLB's in the regular stock wood too, but I use the walnut the most.

I would too.

My contest entry... unfortunately I have no cool physical mod ideas, so even though this is outside the purview of the contest I figured it would be fun. I know MFLB doesn't advertise, but the box deserves to be shown off.

From the blog:

>Show us something creative you have done with your Launch Box.

It's probably for things you've done with your actual owned box, be it customization or making a new case for it, or some such. I can't really explain right now but it's not pictures of it shopped.

I wonder if they'll accept my picture of me holding mine with a cop far in the background... in my car :x

Quetzalcoatl said:

From the blog:

>Show us something creative you have done with your Launch Box.

It's probably for things you've done with your actual owned box, be it customization or making a new case for it, or some such. I can't really explain right now but it's not pictures of it shopped.

I wonder if they'll accept my picture of me holding mine with a cop far in the background... in my car :x

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I know, that's why I said "I have no cool physical mod ideas, so even though this is outside the purview of the contest I figured it would be fun"... although it's not really what they asked for, it was fun to make, regardless of whether it gets considered for the contest .

Quetzalcoatl said:

From the blog:

>Show us something creative you have done with your Launch Box.

It's probably for things you've done with your actual owned box, be it customization or making a new case for it, or some such. I can't really explain right now but it's not pictures of it shopped.

I wonder if they'll accept my picture of me holding mine with a cop far in the background... in my car :x

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I'd leave that to Magic-Flight to determine. It's creative to me, but I can see where allowing it might get out of control. Something similar would be the only way I could enter. Unfortunately for me, I won't be anywhere near my LBs until after the contest is over.

I also have my good ol' jury rigged WPA, but it's way too ghetto to enter. Metal pencap "adapter" into a non-toxic iso washed RoseArt marker cap held into my downstem with rubber bands.

hellomyfrients said:

I know, that's why I said "I have no cool physical mod ideas, so even though this is outside the purview of the contest I figured it would be fun"... although it's not really what they asked for, it was fun to make, regardless of whether it gets considered for the contest .

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Hurrrr..... my mistake. It's been a really odd day and I'm really... "good" right now.

Here's my entry