Vapocane

ilovebOObs

can i stick my male joint in there?
EXCELLENT ! I love your vid. I am a beginner to vaporization, I have a few noob question for you if you don't mind :-)

Well, First question, (thanks) does the vapor has to be opaque like on your vid for the vaporization to be effective ?

Second question, did you try without water ? Does it change a lot without waper, or is it the same ? What is your opinion, does water (with ice, why not) make a better vapor ?

Third question, I saw some vids of you on the youtube, so you may have an opinion about efficiency, taste, easiness of use for you about any vaporizer you tried on your bong. Can you tell me what's the best ? I saw that you used some woody electrical vaporizer to go with your bong. How this is called ?

BTW, your bong bowl is 14.5 mm , isn't it ?

Thanks for sharing man ! I wish you easy vap everyday.

naw vapor doesn't have to be all opaque like that to be effective. there are thread about this subject so i won't get into it.

yea i have tried vaping without water, i find it dries out my mouth and lungs when i do dry hits. the water smooths the vapor and helps me get bigger rips.

i don't think there is a best vape, thats why i own so many. each one has its place in my lineup for different situations. the wood one is called the HI, its kick ass and you should read up on it :).

the bong in this vid is a 14mm, and i used a 14-18 enlarger on it, cause i got the 18mm cane.

@ stu thanks buddy. just trying out a new technique hahahah i hit the same spot but gave it a slight turn every hit so far the cane has been holding up good. i will make another vid with different techniques when i have some time.
 
ilovebOObs,

notmyrealUSERname

Notmy Well-Known Member
the bong in this vid is a 14mm, and i used a 14-18 enlarger on it, cause i got the 18mm cane.

I think I need some clarification about this. I thought the only difference between the two sizes of vapocane was if you ordered a 14mm vapor and you got a 14male-14female adaptor, and if you ordered an 18mm vapocane it would come with a 18male-14female adaptor.

I believe all vapocanes (the part with the name written on it) are all 14mm, however, if I could get one that is 18mm it will mate perfectly with the gvb and I'll be very happy!

In the video you posted iloveboobs it looks like you aren't running the stock setup so what size is the joint on your vapocane (the part with the label on it)?
 
notmyrealUSERname,

ilovebOObs

can i stick my male joint in there?
I think I need some clarification about this. I thought the only difference between the two sizes of vapocane was if you ordered a 14mm vapor and you got a 14male-14female adaptor, and if you ordered an 18mm vapocane it would come with a 18male-14female adaptor.

I believe all vapocanes (the part with the name written on it) are all 14mm, however, if I could get one that is 18mm it will mate perfectly with the gvb and I'll be very happy!

In the video you posted iloveboobs it looks like you aren't running the stock setup so what size is the joint on your vapocane (the part with the label on it)?
your right about the cane part is 14mm but I bought it with 18mm adapter
 
ilovebOObs,

tor

Member
Hello, I got the "cane b" two days ago. Yes, the vapecane is 14.4 mm in size at its lower extremity. There is still a 14.4 mm (female) to 14.4 mm (male) adapter if you wish, which is used to put the metal grid and the herbs inside. Otherway I think, on the 18.8 mm model, it should be a 14.4mm (female) to 18.8 mm (male) adapter to put the herb inside.

I tested the vapocane with tobacco, and yick ! This is not good. However the tobacco becomes all dry.

Do you enjoy rather thick clouds or lighter vapors ? I noticed the more the temperature goes high, the thicker the vapor is. So it needs to get warmed very hot before to produce white vapor.

I ask for people who already enjoy this device, how many vape can you take with this system and how do you notice your herb is already dried from active principles ?

I love boobs, you must be very cautious to remove the vapocane, each time you are going to inhale the vapors. This thing is damn hot !

Thank you.
 
tor,

ilovebOObs

can i stick my male joint in there?
its really depends on my herbs. if its some really nice tasting herbs then i like to go for the tastier blue vapor. if some regular stuff i just crank up the heat and get about 2-3 big rips.

once you get the hang of it, you can tell if herbs are done or not by color of abv.
 
ilovebOObs,

tor

Member
Hi, here is the answer I got from the vapocane team :

Question :
Hello,

I would like to know what is the difference between vapocane B (30$) and vapocane A (60$) and what justify the price difference.

Also, can you make sure the vapocane B is made of the same material (borosilicate 3.3 glass) than the vapocane A which is sold along with a fire torch ?

Can you tell what are the differences between this two vapocane if any ?

Answer :
Hello,
the Vapocane Standard (A) is made in Germany and of higher precision / quality. Also the Vapocane Standard Set includes additionally a marker shaped case, a jetflame lighter and a cleaning brush.

Best regards

The Vapocane Team

I have no idea about the glass quality, though I suspect it to be low quality pyrex with soda lime into it :
http://consumerist.com/2010/12/cons...-of-glass-investigating-shattering-pyrex.html
 
tor,

dimStar

Member
Hi, here is the answer I got from the vapocane team :

Question :


Answer :


I have no idea about the glass quality, though I suspect it to be low quality pyrex with soda lime into it :
http://consumerist.com/2010/12/cons...-of-glass-investigating-shattering-pyrex.html


Hi,

I have used extensively both "A" and B versions and can share my experience with you.

Short version: the B is actually much better. Long verion follows:

Glass: there is a noticeable difference with the "A" version having a slight gray/bluish tint and the B version being perfectly clear. Note: there are golden and white "A" models as well. The "A" model *may* be made of better glass but is not more durable in my experience... in fact the opposite is true.

Shape: The "A" version is obviously hand made and each one is different. Some are a bit crooked, some seem thinner than others. The "A" version's tip is round and has a small hole whereas the B has a larger hole from edge to edge... it is kind of hard to explain without attaching pictures.

GonG connections: The "A" version's connection is PAPER THIN and extremely delicate. DON'T try to push the screen into place using the Vapocane top - it will break the damn thing. None of the "A" version Vapocanes I had (and that would amount to QUITE A FEW - more on that later) had reasonably well-formed ground glass connections - they all wiggled when set in place. In contrast, the B has standard industrial(?) ground glass connection that is MUCH thicker and appear to be perfectly round, at least in practical terms.

Screens: The "A" version comes with larger (20mm?) brass screens whereas the B comes with 10mm SS screens which I find much more convenient. Both work perfectly well but having less "margins", for lack of a better word, allows you to place the screen higher, therefore achieving higher temperatures.

Packaging: The marker style case is perfect for the Vapobong and Vaponic, as the entire thing fits inside conveniently. With the Vapocane however, the case does not accommodate the adapter and is therefore an impractical gimmick. The B versions box holds both pieces. As this is not a mobile vaporizer (unless one is in the habit of carrying a bong on his person wherever he goes), I think it makes much more sense. It is nicely padded as well.

Kit: The B version kit is minimal: top part, adapter and screens. The "A" version adds to that a brush, a crappy torch lighter which I find useless (for direct heating as well as retained heat method), a booklet, and the above mentioned case... this brings me to my next point:

At first I have been reluctant to try the Vapocane B because it was referred to as an inferior product. What made me eventually try one was being sick of having to buy the entire kit whenever the Vapocane top broke (i.e. once every few days... you only need to stare at them for that to happen). Well, I am very glad I did.

In my personal experience the B version improves on the original in every way. It is more durable (personal experience, YMMV), has less sample variance (machine made?) and the somewhat larger hole allows for better air flow. It is a superior product for half the price.

After having broken my first vapocane "A" top just one day after getting it (this was my mistake, I assume responsibility for it) I have contacted the Vapocane office to inquire whether replacement parts are available.

Vapocane is in fact two companies: Solwe in Spain and Rob Productions in Austria. My mail was processed by Solwe and was answered promptly and courteously. They said they will ask their Austrian partner to send me a replacement for a reduced charge.

I can only assume Rob would not willingly cooperate, as I had to write two more times to enquire about this. Eventually after a couple of months I got a top part which was practically unusable - I guess it failed QC (if not then it should have) - it was paper thin and had a tiny hole that allowed for very little air flow. I disposed of it.

Having waited so long Solwe were kind enough to offer the replacement free of charge (Thanks!), but what eventually came in the mail seemed like a "third finger" from their Austrian partner.

I can only assume that charging for the entire kit is part of their business model. How many brushes and crap lighters do you suppose I need? That said, replacement parts for other products such as the Vaponic are available, so I fail to see the logic in this. The Vaponic, BTW, is a very nice portable vaporizer, but it takes some practice to learn to use it.

Bottom Line:

Nothing beats either Vapocane version in vapor purity and flavor. It is a very cost effective setup (unless you find yourselves buying kit after kit like I did), does not require long heat up time, fits on any GonG pipe and works very very well. It is my go-to vaporizer when at home (I tried the MFLB, Vaporgenie, Herborizer, Vaponic and of course both Vapocane versions).
 

Bananiq

Well-Known Member
Vapocane was my in order 7th lighter-powered vaporizer that I have used. After reading some reviews, seeing the pictures and watching the demo video with funny music, I was looking forward to try this thing. The all glass air-path with 2 methods of heating (with or without butane inhaled) promises a satisfaction for my taste requirements.
However, before using the Vapocane, I have been using Gn0me Classic during my stay in Spain, and I have used UD and MW since then, so my view could not be more critical. Moreover thanks to the post above, clarifying the differences between A and B version I can provide updated impressions. Let's see how I rate this vape in different categories.

I have obtained Vapocane Standard (version "A") Gold 19mm




1. Portability

8 / 10

Vapocane or any gong glassware is not really intended for portable use, moreover the Standard A version is apparently thinner and more delicate than the B. However, the marker case provides excellent protection of Vapocane while carrying. If you have some small 19mm glassware, portable usage can be recommended but I don't relocate my glassware often because I broke too much of it. I have used the 19mm WS mouthpiece connector with the Vapocane.






2. Efficiency

9 / 10

The bowl is small. You can load small amounts for effective vaping but it's definitely not a party-hitter. Quite restrained air-flow contributes to the effectiveness. Bigger amounts work good but with additional stirring. The bowl can provide some solid hits with good vapor-air ratio of course depending on your learning curve. Unlike electric vaporizers, with majority of lighter powered vapes it is up to your (and lighter's) heating skill to determine the vape's efficiency. Vapocane can vaporize until really dark ABV (see the ABV on the picture below); nevertheless, I find vapes like HDVape or Gn0me to be able to turn the herb brown more easier (as will be stated in heating section).


3. Ease of use & manipulating

5 / 10

Vapocane is not the most easier vape to use. The heater gets really hot and you have to use the rubber protector from the marker case in order to manipulate with the heater. Messing with these things while high trying to stir the load is annoying. Additionally, the hot heater is tricky to put on a stable place without rolling away because the marker case is not good enough to take the heater when it is really hot.


4. Stealth

Due to its dimensions and methods of use, Vapocane is not really stealthy. You can vape alone, or in a circle of friends but hardly in public places. Fizzling sound of a torch lighter does not secure the stealthiness either.


5. Pre-heating & additional-heating

7 / 10 direct method
5 / 10 indirect method (need bigger torch)

The long, conic shape of Vapocane causes that the heating source is quite distant from the loaded bowl. This brings bigger heating time but comparable with Glass VaporGenie or HDVape. As with most of lighter powered vapes, the slower you inhale the bigger the temperature. Using the direct method of heating significantly reduces the heating time. However while using Vapocane, you have to inhale in such speed, as you "suck in" the outer blueish torch flame inside the heater or you have to point the flame slightly above the hole otherwise it can melt. Then you have to allow some time for "cooking" the herb in order to see some nice clouds exhaled. Nonetheless, there is a drawback. The tip is too small for proper airflow. I have found that some drag to the lung-pulling force must be applied. Apparently, the version A has even smaller air-hole than the cheaper B version. Moreover, over the time of usage, especially when you allow too much of flame touching the tip of Vapocane, the air hole shrinks even more. There are some methods to make it bigger again. You have to heat the end and push non-melting material through the Vapocane, but be careful not to burn yourself. Other method could be to break the end to make the hole bigger? (not recommended though).

Indirect method was very hard for me to accomplish with my torch lighters. Obviously, I don't own a big torch to deliver such heat. I have used the included plastic torch and my metal jim-beam torch, but I was not able to heat it indirectly with success. Nevertheless, when I use some other flame heat-source (f.e. gas oven) for indirect heating I had success. Anyways I think that Gn0me vaporizer solved indirect heating method better. The ripples in the heating element provide better heat penetration to the air-stream. Moreover, they provide a solid twist of the air that can allow vaporization of the whole bowl more evenly and thoroughly.


6. Taste & vapor path

9.5 / 10 direct method
9.8 / 10 indirect method

Since the taste and air-path cleanness is my primary concern regarding vaporizers, the Vapocane did not disappoint me in this field. Taste is classy glassy, without additional fumes and byproducts. Vapocane is one of the few lighter powered all-glass convection vaporizers. The possibility to use it by 2 methods is pleasing. If you want to get a nice tasty hit as fast as possible, use the direct method. If your primary concern is the top notch taste, buy a fat torch and do the indirect method allowing at least 1 minute of heating.

The airpath consist of the glass heater/bowl/bong + metal screen so it's 100% glass except the screen. The taste difference between direct and indirect method is noticeable.


7. Durability

5 / 10

The thin gong and generally fragile Standard "A" version needs your careful attitude. You have to treat the Vapocane like your baby, since it is easy to break or overheat and melt the hole. However, when one demands the glass-like cleanness, one have to deal with the consequences.


8. Maintenance

The Vapocane team provided with cleaning brush which is cool. The Vapocane and the 19mm bowl can be cleaned easily with ISO, salt and the brush. The marker case is also a very nice place to hide your Vapocane.


Verdict

Portability 8
Efficiency 9
Ease of use & manipulating 5
Direct heating 7
Indirect heating 5
Taste direct heating 9.5
Taste indirect heating 9.8
Durability 5

Pros: Cheap price, All-glass without butane taste, efficient, cost/quality ratio (B version)

Cons: Small airflow, prone to crack, no heat retention, bad indirect heating, hard to manipulate

Apparently, the B version is better choice because: is cheaper, has better case, the glass is thicker, the intake-hole is bigger (as confirmed in above review).
If you want all-glass cost-effective vape, buy the Vapocane-B.


Where to buy?

http://vapocane.com/


Some pictures (click to enlarge)






 

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Awesome review Bananiq ! I would myself try the vapocane. if i hadn't made the same composition out of downstem and half of a broken hook gong perc :p.
 
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dimStar

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Excellent review, my comments in-line.

3. Ease of use & manipulating

5 / 10

Vapocane is not the most easier vape to use. The heater gets really hot and you have to use the rubber protector from the marker case in order to manipulate with the heater. Messing with these things while high trying to stir the load is annoying. Additionally, the hot heater is tricky to put on a stable place without rolling away because the marker case is not good enough to take the heater when it is really hot.

I know what you mean :) this is what I came up with...

P1020572.jpg


I found these tweezers in a hobby shop and used Pattex (a two component epoxy putty) to form a curved shape that fits around the Vapocane... it doesn't look so nice but works perfectly. The mini beaker holder (I got it from Aqua Labs) works great to hold the Vapocane when stirring etc.

Apparently, the B version is better choice because: is cheaper, has better case, the glass is thicker, the intake-hole is bigger (as confirmed in above review).
If you want all-glass cost-effective vape, buy the Vapocane-B.

The Vapocane B has a thicker GonG joint, but the rest of it (the actual tube acting as a heat exchanger) may have thinner walls than version A. Mine got a little bent from heat (I use a big-ass torch as I find indirect heating gives MUCH better flavor) but it doesn't seem to have any detrimental functional effect.

I am very curious about the Gnome and have sent a couple of email inquiries about it but got no answer. Unfortunately the online ordering system accepts only U.S. addresses.
 

notmyrealUSERname

Notmy Well-Known Member
^ I would want there to be more clearance between my nose and the vapocane - you would definitely feel the heat when using the indirect method with this bubbler.

I would prefer to have a mini beaker 10" (or so) with a removable downstem (makes it easy and cheap to change the perc).

I use a silicon pot holder to handle the vapocane once it's been heated. The ridges hold the vapocane in the pot holder when I set it down between heating cycles, it doesn't roll around or touch anything that it can burn. It super easy to get your fingers in and out of too.

mastrad_pot_holder_finger_guards_top.jpg
 
notmyrealUSERname,

abbrev

Member
^ I would want there to be more clearance between my nose and the vapocane - you would definitely feel the heat when using the indirect method with this bubbler.

I went ahead and tried it and the heat has not been a problem for me so far. It is close indeed but not uncomfortably so. The vape is great, really enjoying this as my first rather purist experience with glass and water filtration having used exclusively Volcano bags for years now.

p1090240o.jpg
 

Kommyknocker

Well-Known Member
Got a vapocane A coming from PV after reading through this thread and trying my GVB.. again after reading its own thread.
What's this about the B version being better though?
So many posts stating otherwise so think i'll trust the veterans thanks.
Report shall of course follow..
Then to order me some Gnome products :)
Damned V.A.S!
 
Kommyknocker,

Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
Got a vapocane A coming from PV after reading through this thread and trying my GVB.. again after reading its own thread.
What's this about the B version being better though?
So many posts stating otherwise so think i'll trust the veterans thanks.
Report shall of course follow..
Then to order me some Gnome products :)
Damned V.A.S!
Dude, you are in trouble indeed. My Vapocane was a gateway drug that led me to the gn0me and more VAS/GAS.

AFAIK the regular europeon Vapocane is considered to be of a higher overall quality than the cheaper "B" versions.
:peace:
 

Kommyknocker

Well-Known Member
Dude, you are in trouble indeed. My Vapocane was a gateway drug that led me to the gn0me and more VAS/GAS.

AFAIK the regular europeon Vapocane is considered to be of a higher overall quality than the cheaper "B" versions.
:peace:

I blame all yous guys on here tbh. We're all brothers and sisters in this most consuming of hobbies..
In all honesty though i'm here to stay cause all you guys/girls on here are just the shit. When I grow into a big boy vaporist I wanna be just like yous. Lol

But thanks thats what I wanted to here
I'll probably pick yoir brains over on the gnome thread in the next few days Stu if thats cool.
In the meantime though, cannot wait to try this out.. I got the gold one.
Can I paint his yoohoo gold?.. It's kind of my thing :)
 
Kommyknocker,

dimStar

Member
What's this about the B version being better though?
So many posts stating otherwise so think i'll trust the veterans thanks.

"this" is a fairly detailed account of my personal experience with both versions, based on daily use over a period of many months.

I chose to open up a forum account and post my review just because of old forum posts that suggested the European version was better.

We are used to being told that we get what we pay for, and learn to take pride in our expensive acquisitions - this is how the system works. Mind you, the expensive European version was my first choice as well (more than once as I went through a couple of kits).

It so happens that in this case I was getting much less than what I was paying for as the Chinese product is cheaper and clearly superior.

I bear in mind that your mileage my vary and wish you lots of fun with your new toy!
 
dimStar,

Kommyknocker

Well-Known Member
Yeah I'm sorry, I guess that could've come across as a bit c*nty. Sorry no offence meant. In actuality I fully intend to get a B also to test this out. Then offload the "inferior" one lol whichever it may be to a buddy along with the torch that comes with A.. heavily discounted of course. I love converting smokers.. or rather opening their eyes to the vape.

Missed the damned post today and the vapocane along with... Oh well just one sleep away!
VASed out my nut lol
 
Kommyknocker,

dimStar

Member
I think the choice of a blow torch has much more effect on the end results than the choice between versions A and B.

Mine died and I got a small "industrial" butane / propane mix torch. It heats up the Vapocane to a brighter glow much faster. I broke the 18.8mm adapter so got yet another version B yesterday and this one came with brass rim screens similar to these (approximately 12 mm in diameter).

coneguaze.jpg


They sit a few mm lower than what I was used to which happens to be a good thing because the Vapocane reaches much higher temperatures now that I use a hotter torch.

End result: Decent amount of vapor even on the first take, the entire herb chamber gets warmer and the plant material gets baked fast and evenly.

Couldn't be happier, I doubt one can get better vapor than that.
 

ictus

Well-Known Member
I got a vapocane B yesterday and messed with it for a while. Mango Kush, Sour Diesel and OG Splash were all tested. Excellent flavor and nice thick vapor.


My only problem was not compensating for heat retention... on my 3rd hits I combusted twice.

I also think I have been overheating the tip of the vapocane. I tried to follow the "directions" but they are just a bunch of goofy smiley faces. I thought from the directions that I was supposed to heat the tip until red each time.

I think I may have been overheating it because it looks like the shape of the tip has actually sagged a bit, and the air hole has actually gotten smaller than when I first got it. It feels much harder to draw through. I am wondering if this is because while inhaling hard with the tip very hot, the negative pressure actually pulled the glass in, just like glass blowing?


Anybody else have that problem?
 

Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
Anybody else have that problem?
I haven't personally, but I have seen other members have this very issue. I think it's important to evenly heat the entire glass if using the retained heat method.

:peace:
 
Stu,

ictus

Well-Known Member
Ok saw a few pages back where somebody else had it close up all the way then used pencil lead to open it back up. I will have to try that as my tip looks shrunk compared to all the pictures I see. I know I overheated it since the letter E (closest to the tip) started to glow red and sizzle/spark briefly last night. I guess it was hot enough for a split second for the airflow and negative pressure to cause the tip to flex inwards like a pinched hose.

I will try two things. I have some hi-temp silicon tubing. I will try inserting the cane into some tubing, suspending it so it's hanging then getting the tip molten again and blowing OUT of the tubing. maybe I can create the opposite force and fix it... If that doesn't work I will try the pencil lead to physicall push it out. Will post back later tonight.
 
ictus,

GratefulVapor

Phish Head
ictus, you don't need to heat the 'cane up to a literal red. I just move the flame up & down the shaft of the cane, for maybe 10 seconds or so before inhaling, making sure to concentrate the heat semi-evenly(heavier towards tip and base, meaning hotter). I stay away from combustion this way.
Yes, their definitely is some heat retention. You will notice that vapor will continue to form long after you stop torching the glass. The vapocane has a bite to it, but can be a lot of fun IMO. :nod: :tinfoil:
 
GratefulVapor,

ictus

Well-Known Member
Well I attempted both repair methods last night. The graphite pencil didn't work, and just made a nasty searing sound and smell.

So then I tried inserting some hitemp silicone tubing and clamping it to a shelf, while I red-heated the tip and started blowing from the other end to try and widen the airhole(with glasses). Instead of opening up the existing hole, a bulge on the side near the tip appeared and a new hole opened up there. So now I have 2 little holes and the tip of my vapocane looks like or like a broken twig but it still works great :) I am calling the repair a success because it fixed the airflow problem and looks kinda neat.

And I was able to use the vapocane all night without any combustion. I found for me the best indicator to be the color of the flame that comes off the glass itself. I heat it until most of the length emits a very slight orange flame, then I wait about 5 seconds and hit it. Am able to get dark brown ABV with no combustion so far.
 

GratefulVapor

Phish Head
And I was able to use the vapocane all night without any combustion. I found for me the best indicator to be the color of the flame that comes off the glass itself. I heat it until most of the length emits a very slight orange flame, then I wait about 5 seconds and hit it. Am able to get dark brown ABV with no combustion so far.
:rockon: fuck dat combustion! :tup:
I didn't know you were having an airflow problem; my bad ictus. Glad your repair was a success! Always happy to hear of vapor being produced successfully .. always. I also do find that the best indicator (for myself) to be the color of the flame as it comes off the glass, as you described. Forgot to mention it earlier. Nice to have your vapocane ripping again, with its new *turbo-mode hole* :lol:
 
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