Pure Gold

Since many of us using Pure Gold (or attempting to) in our portable vapes, I thought that it might warrant a thread all it's own. Since it's arguably the most pure, and easiest to fill carts with, there are some obvious pluses. But many people have reported difficulties in using it. In my own case I started with a brand new O-Phos, brand new 2.4 cart, and .5 gram of PG. The first hit I took was huge with hints of orange peel and walnut, slightly floral, etc. You get the picture. Heaven.
And there basically was no second hit. After the first hit, in order to get any smoke at all, I had to keep heating the cart until my lips were burning from the heat at the tip of the cart. I heard pops, etc. like there was a clog, but no smoke would come out until I got the cart blazing hot. I tried it heating slowly, and waiting. I sherlocked it. I tried everything I could think of or had read about. There was quite a bit of leakage onto the heating element. When I cleaned it with a q-tip and alcohol, there was a lot of unburned PG, but not .5 grams, so I kept trying. In short, I got one hit out of my new system. Vapor Brothers is sending me a new cart, but I'm clueless. I followed the instructions precisely. Unless the cart just doesn't work (it's a hollow tube with a heating element and the heating element is working?) then I have no idea. Anybody?

Here's my actual question: with a new O-Phos, new 2.4 ohm cart, and .5 gm.s of Pure Gold freshly loaded, shouldn't I expect to be puffing thick clouds of burnt orange peel tasting smoke in 3-4 seconds?

Zim said:

Here's my actual question: with a new O-Phos, new 2.4 ohm cart, and .5 gm.s of Pure Gold freshly loaded, shouldn't I expect to be puffing thick clouds of burnt orange peel tasting smoke in 3-4 seconds?

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Yes Zim, that's a winning combination! Go for it and enjoy.

Adobewan said:

Yes Zim, that's a winning combination! Go for it and enjoy.

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Hey thanks man! Have you tried the same combination? For me there was a definite learning curve. Because I stored the O-Phos standing upright in a hot room, all of the gold soaked through the wick and settled in the little cavity underneath the air tube, but still inside the cart. Once the oil got in there, it wouldn't burn so, after receiving advice from the Omicron Gurus, I flipped the the cartridge upside down and heated the bottom side with a lamp, which allowed the gold to slowly soak through the wick and back into the cylinder. I've learned that the gold is so thin and viscous that I have to store the unit on its side, and basically every hit has to be loaded by drawing it with your breath carefully into the tube. But, when you get it right, you know it!!!! I hear that Omicron is coming out with carts designed to work better with thin oils like pure gold. And that might just be The Holy Grail I've been looking for!

First .5g goes great, then you need to baby it.
G is testig the Hercules cart right now and is having great results. I've no doubt we'll soon have carts that last 6 months to a year.

Zim said:

Hey thanks man! Have you tried the same combination? For me there was a definite learning curve. Because I stored the O-Phos standing upright in a hot room, all of the gold soaked through the wick and settled in the little cavity underneath the air tube, but still inside the cart. Once the oil got in there, it wouldn't burn so, after receiving advice from the Omicron Gurus, I flipped the the cartridge upside down and heated the bottom side with a lamp, which allowed the gold to slowly soak through the wick and back into the cylinder. I've learned that the gold is so thin and viscous that I have to store the unit on its side, and basically every hit has to be loaded by drawing it with your breath carefully into the tube. But, when you get it right, you know it!!!! I hear that Omicron is coming out with carts designed to work better with thin oils like pure gold. And that might just be The Holy Grail I've been looking for!

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This has been my experience as well. Hadn't come across the tip about flipping the cart upside down but I'll try that! Really, thanks to some advice from OF on here, I have been storing the cart on its side, and making sure to take some "cold" pulls through the cart after usage (cold meaning I'm not running the heater.) This combo seems to have mostly stopped leakage.

Yea, same here exactly. If you get anymore tips let me know and I'll do the same!

I use PG in my TV Rev Daty and let me tell you, Ive managed to make a gram last 6 weeks, hitting it several times a day.

Wow! That's great man.

Hi all, was curious regarding what the odor of vaped pure gold was like? Distinct at all? Similar to other EO concentrates? I find those to still have a slight cannabis odor when vaped, so was mostly wondering if PG differed. TIA.

Oski2012 said:

Hi all, was curious regarding what the odor of vaped pure gold was like? Distinct at all? Similar to other EO concentrates? I find those to still have a slight cannabis odor when vaped, so was mostly wondering if PG differed. TIA.

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Good point.

If you took a 5 gram dab of pure gold and put it on a hot plate, all it would make the room smell like is orange/citrus. It's the smell of "d-limonene", which is what "Orange Essential Oil" is mostly composed of, (like 90%+)

I got it to work amazingly through my stock solo stem+ waterpipe setup



Edit: my buddies told me this was called pure gold so I got jacked, but I guess it was just honey oil

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

that is true. To a sensitive palette it does make a difference. What most people dont understand is no matter how clean you think your oil is there is still compounds in there that are not what is needed in the body, these are left behind and when they are not vaporized at lower temperatures they just gunk up and cook over and over again causing a awful burnt taste, many people are not trained to recognize this and just keep on going and going, the small amount of people who do not compromise soon learn that it is best to clean often to have the best taste.

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This is true. I ran Pure Gold through my old non Ti cart (nothing else in between) and it still got that black shit caked on it after a period of time. Granted it took like 3x as long, but still. It doesnt get much more refined than PG.

Caligula said:

This is true. I ran Pure Gold through my old non Ti cart (nothing else in between) and it still got that black shit caked on it after a period of time. Granted it took like 3x as long, but still. It doesnt get much more refined than PG.

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Pure gold does add a % of d-limonene so there is an impurity. Doing bud runs of BHO in a closed loop at -50f does a wonderful job of getting very pure results, but there is always some impurities that will get through.

GR said:

Pure gold does add a % of d-limonene so there is an impurity. Doing bud runs of BHO in a closed loop at -50f does a wonderful job of getting very pure results, but there is always some impurities that will get through.

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You might think that...



BTW 4 out of the 5 reults that came back under 500PPM were solventless. Only one BHO shatter made it. And these are all professionally made contest entries from big name extraction artists.

Point is, your BHO isnt as contaminant free as you may think.

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You might think that...

BTW 4 out of the 5 reults that came back under 500PPM were solventless. Only one BHO shatter made it. And these are all professionally made contest entries from big name extraction artists.

Point is, your BHO isnt as contaminant free as you may think.

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To give a scale of reference, according to the lab that did these tests, you get between 700 and 1200PPM of butane and related residuals from using a bic lighter to combust a bowl.

That 500ppm limit is a bit crazy. I mean it's great that people are forced to make the purest product ever in existence, but how come the food industry can have much higher ppm limits? More people eat then get high.

Plus, their is still no standard method or benchmark for testing. It's just a bunch of independent "labs" that use different methods and techniques to test the sample(s) they receive. I would love to see those same samples tested at another lab. I bet you get very different results. Kind of bullshit to enforce such extreme ppm regulations, but not implement a legit system of testing for those ppm's. All anyone has to do is find the "lab" with the shittiest testing and they will pass.

I mean, wtf?

Typical case of Marijuana being so extremely over regulated, while everything else we consume and breathe is so laxly regulated. Gotta make sure that you make a safe substance, not dangerous, ya know?

CO and WA might as well make using a bic(flint) lighter, or combustion in general, illegal. It only makes sense using their "logic" and standards.

aesthyrian said:

That 500ppm limit is a bit crazy. I mean it's great that people are forced to make the purest product ever in existence, but how come the food industry can have much higher ppm limits? More people eat then get high.

Plus, their is still no standard method or benchmark for testing. It's just a bunch of independent "labs" that use different methods and techniques to test the sample(s) they receive. I would love to see those same samples tested at another lab. I bet you get very different results. Kind of bullshit to enforce such extreme ppm regulations, but not implement a legit system of testing for those ppm's. All anyone has to do is find the "lab" with the shittiest testing and they will pass.

I mean, wtf?

Typical case of Marijuana being so extremely over regulated, while everything else we consume and breath is so laxly regulated. Gotta make sure that you make a safe substance, not dangerous, ya know?

CO and WA might as well make using a bic(flint) lighter, or combustion in general, illegal. It only makes sense using their "logic" and standards.

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It was this lab which did all the testing for the LA Secret Cup entries:

http://steephilllab.com/

Not exactly a fly by night enterprise. Regardless, it wasnt any specific labratory but rather regulators which imposed that PPM limit. I should also note that this isnt straight butane residuals, it also includes testing for pentane. Something which hasn't been closely looked at as a residual component of BHO until recently.

In any case, the point is that its there, not that specific states have imposed seemingly arbitrary PPM standards. Keep in mind what I was initially replying to, and the point I was trying to make. Lets not get too far off track here.

Edit: Just throwing out some personal opinion... but if people are selling this as medicine, then they damn well better be held to the most stringent purity standards that are exacted on big pharma.

Interesting side note... OSHA lists acceptable exposure limits to vaporized pentane @ 1000 PPM.

http://hazard.com/msds/mf/baker/baker/files/p0737.htm

I highly doubt concentrations as such would fly for any FDA approved pharmaceutical, or even OTC medication.

Caligula said:

You might think that...

BTW 4 out of the 5 reults that came back under 500PPM were solventless. Only one BHO shatter made it. And these are all professionally made contest entries from big name extraction artists.

Point is, your BHO isnt as contaminant free as you may think.

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Pretty much what I would expect. I used the word pure and was referring to the extraction of flower and getting the most THC out of the process. I have far less concern about butane and its health risks when consumed as many do. I have smoked herb and cigarettes with a butane lighter for well over 30 years and consumed more butane this way then any oil consumption I have done. Lol.

Still need to pick up some TI kiss carts.

How is it that everyone is forgetting the whole point?

We were initially talking about impurities in concentrates which accumulate on the wick and coils of LYAG (KISS) style carts. Laws regulating PPM, how much THC is in your eerl, or the MSDS analysis of WTF ever is in it has nothing to do with this.

To come full circle, d-limonene or not, Pure Gold is going to be a cleaner/more pure material to run through your chosen style of vape than basically any non-solventless concentrate.


edit: You know what, this probably deserves its own thread.

mod note: 8 posts added to existing Pure Gold thread

Caligula said:

It was this lab which did all the testing for the LA Secret Cup entries:

http://steephilllab.com/

Not exactly a fly by night enterprise. Regardless, it wasnt any specific labratory but rather regulators which imposed that PPM limit. I should also note that this isnt straight butane residuals, it also includes testing for pentane. Something which hasn't been closely looked at as a residual component of BHO until recently.

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Yeah, Steephill has been around for a minute and seems fairly respected, but my point remains. Which is, that no two labs will provide the same results, unless their is some standards implemented into the testing of the product, and not just the limits to the product.

The pentane tests are quite revealing as well, as it seems that nearly all shatter has pentane residuals left in it. Shatter sure is purdy, but it may not be the ultimate extract after all, at least in terms of cleanliness and purity.

Caligula said:

In any case, the point is that its there, not that specific states have imposed seemingly arbitrary PPM standards. Keep in mind what I was initially replying to, and the point I was trying to make. Lets not get too far off track here.

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Sorry, just trying to have a conversation. This stuff really excites me, I know, I have problems.

Caligula said:

Edit: Just throwing out some personal opinion... but if people are selling this as medicine, then they damn well better be held to the most stringent purity standards that are exacted on big pharma.

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Totally agree. However, keep in mind the fact that these standards for PPM never existed for MMJ, at least not in CO. They are a part of Amendment 64, which is a strictly recreational bill. So it's the stuff that is sold for "fun" that is held to the 500ppm standard, not the actual medicine. As far as I know, concentrates sold to MMJ users are not held to any sort of testing. Which is totally bizarre, because you have some shops that are split into half rec, half medical, and the concentrates in the rec side, are held to a higher standard. Under the same roof, none the less.

Ass backwards much?

Caligula said:

I highly doubt concentrations as such would fly for any FDA approved pharmaceutical, or even OTC medication.

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Well, I guess that depends on much you actually trust the FDA to regulate foods and drugs. They certainly aren't regulating them as strictly as CO and WA are regulating their recreational concentrates, unfortunately.

oh and, uh, puregold. Never had, looks nice.

Hey guys,

I'm a big fan of puregold and have always thought it was very potent in comparison to other extracts. However I've seen in other forums links to lab results like the link below that suggests that puregold is not anymore potent than other, much cheaper extracts. I can't tell if these sources are reliable or as many seem to do in the mmj industry, these are just competitors trying to dissuade people from using puregold.

Here's a link to one of the test results I've found:

http://analytical360.com/m/expired/15174

If it works for you, isnt that all that matters? IMO PG's main selling point is its purity and consistency. Not its potency.

Yessir you are right Caligula. I do really like puregold, but it is pricey.

Hi all -

I wanted to share my recent experiences with Pure Gold in the hope this provides some helpful insight. My first go around was NOT a pleasant experience, unfortunately. About a year ago, I bought the Gold Pen with the .5g cartridge included and was hoping for a turnkey, "made for Pure Gold" plug n play heavenly experience. That was naive optimism to say the least.

This, my first entry into anything that even resembled concentrates was with the hope that I could find a great stealth portable option to my VXH Cloud, and while it worked "okay" the first few times, I found the pen would clog quite often making it difficult to draw anything, and then it started to get a terrible metallic taste at which point I sort of gave up on it. Shame, because when it worked those first few precious times, I loved the experience!

All that being said, I recognized that my problem with PG was the pen, not PG itself, and started reading through all of these various PG threads looking for a better alternative. Ultimately, I heard great things about the oft-praised GotVapes Sapphire solution but was discouraged when I saw that they were out of stock.

Based on some PG comments I had read recently on these forums, I had heard that TetraLabs had come out with a GoldPen 2.0 that supposedly fixed the issues that the first pen had and once again my interest was piqued. Now the pen held a .75g prefilled cart that had the atomizer built in, and it retrofitted onto my first gen pen battery so the entry cost was cheap to try once more. I called TetraLabs to snarkily ask why I should trust the new pen, and the (very nice) lady that answered reassured me that they were aware and apologetic for the 1st gen pens, but felt that this second gen should be a great experience with no residual issues like that frightening metallic taste.

Well, here I am a few days after, with the new 2.0 cart attached to my existing battery (which TetraLabs said was the same battery in both gens) and guess what?? It works PHENOMENALLY!!). Granted, I need more time to see if any probs develop but so far, so good. I'm not normally a one hitter quitter type of robot but one tasty hit of PG on this pen and I've been deeply deeply medicated. In fact, it seems to last longer for me than my average Cloud session as I've been hitting the 3-hour mark before the effects wear off noticably.

Sorry for the long message and certainly, I'll want to come back and update this after I have more time with this, but it's been nearly impossible to find any info about this 2.0 pen that came out maybe 6 months or so ago, and so I wanted to get the word out in the hope it might be a good option for those interested vs. going the "create your own" route.

My only criticism would be that the .75g cart has a wick, but given that it's PG running through it, I'm not overly dissuaded by the negative implications as it doesn't really bug me too much. Sure, I'd prefer wickless but oh well.

I'd love to hear some other opinions from those that have tried the GoldPen 2.0 and see if we have similar experiences, or if I'm the exception? For now though, I'd say give it a shot?

Cheers,

Giant Robot