Colorado Batman Shooting - More to the story?

Look, Ill be the first to admit that I enjoy a good ole conspiracy story (but still take them with a grain of salt)

But this one really has me scratching my head due to the amount of unanswered questions regarding this entire scenario.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

The story is very long (as most conspiracy theories) but its worth a read...
(In fact it was TOO long to quote here)

I enjoy watching Mike Adams when he hosts InfoWars Nightly News, and I have to admit that I thought the same thing as soon as I heard the news. However, I don't equate his surrender to the police as any indication of mind control. I know that it's very easy to buy guns and ammo online from sites like SportsmansGuide, etc., but not on the level of what was used, to my knowledge.

The fact that at least 1/3rd of the American public believes that 9/11 was an inside job is a harsh indication of distrust in government. The fact is, we just don't know but there are definitely a few red flags here and you can say the same thing for the assassination of John Lennon and possibly Abby Hoffman and Jerry Rubin as well.

When I was growing up there was a sense of optimism and further progress in all areas from medicine to technology and an excitement for things like the space program. The future was all about positive expectation. The 90's was also about positive expectation with the explosion of the internet and with it the idea that through global communication on it the world would become a more peaceful place.

Was this event and the aforementioned events part of the Hegelian Dialectic; of slowly, methodically, creating chaos and then imposing order out of that chaos? I don't know, of course, but one trend that I am aware of is a growing distrust toward mainstream journalism compared with the 70's when journalists brought down the Nixon regime. Those were real heroes; nowadays we have Batman.

jeffp said:

Was this event and the aforementioned events part of the Hegelian Dialectic; of slowly, methodically, creating chaos and then imposing order out of that chaos? I don't know . . .

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Me either, but "this" vvv exists for a reason . . .

AGBeer said:

Look, Ill be the first to admit that I enjoy a good ole conspiracy story (but still take them with a grain of salt)

But this one really has me scratching my head due to the amount of unanswered questions regarding this entire scenario.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

The story is very long (as most conspiracy theories) but its worth a read...
(In fact it was TOO long to quote here)

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Damn. That really does make you think. It makes so many fucking good points. I def think it was funded by someone else now. This story is only going to get weirder and crazier....

I think the guy was a first-class whacko.

Not much more to it. Not buying any of the Tea Party or OWS crap. Ideology doesn't matter, when you're bat-shit crazy. He would have done this, regardless of the reason.

As for his gear, I could purchase any and everything he was armed with and armored with. Hell, I am as well-armed as he was, when he walked into the theater. His "exotic" booby-traps... the guy was a genius. Crazy... but a @#$%ing genius.

Everything else, the information/warning he gave police. Again... he's bat-shit crazy. You can't reason why, he told them that.

I bet he did drugs

peterchen said:

I bet he did drugs

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I bet he didn't.

(Let me clarify... I doubt he did any illicit drugs)

the people who staged this event are well rehearsed in staging fake events and passing them off as real in order to advance certain agendas. exactly why they staged this event is speculative but one thing's for sure, it was staged. to even begin to address all the red flags would take far too long. but ask yourself this simple question. what kind of judge would allow this alleged psycho to actually appear in court with that ridiculous hair?

they even followed the trend of scheduling a drill for the exact situation that would occur in a nearby area on the same day. they did this with 9/11 (which wasn't an inside job as 'loose change' and alex jones would want you to believe. it was an outside job) and also with the gabby giffords event (which was also a drill. nobody was shot because everybody involved was an actor).
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...tes-training-exercise-at-parker#ixzz21SotiITF

if you think i've lost my marbles, that's fine. most people consider people who say these sorts of things crazy simply because they can't handle the possibility that they've been had. but if you're willing to entertain the possibility that the batman event was staged, here's how hey got away with the giffords event.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDE0DD6EA5ED45B9E&feature=plcp

The BS meter is starting to redline with this situation:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Holmes-fixated-by-altered-states-of-mind.html

Notice what is mentioned in the first paragraph.

Rahmbo said to never let a good crisis go unexploited!

goody8504 said:

the people who staged this event are well rehearsed in staging fake events and passing them off as real in order to advance certain agendas. exactly why they staged this event is speculative but one thing's for sure, it was staged. to even begin to address all the red flags would take far too long. but ask yourself this simple question. what kind of judge would allow this alleged psycho to actually appear in court with that ridiculous hair?

they even followed the trend of scheduling a drill for the exact situation that would occur in a nearby area on the same day. they did this with 9/11 (which wasn't an inside job as 'loose change' and alex jones would want you to believe. it was an outside job) and also with the gabby giffords event (which was also a drill. nobody was shot because everybody involved was an actor).
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...tes-training-exercise-at-parker#ixzz21SotiITF

if you think i've lost my marbles, that's fine. most people consider people who say these sorts of things crazy simply because they can't handle the possibility that they've been had. but if you're willing to entertain the possibility that the batman event was staged, here's how hey got away with the giffords event.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDE0DD6EA5ED45B9E&feature=plcp

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Well, having a SECRET clearance in the military... while I didn't have access to the really sensitive stuff, but enough to know... the WHOLE government operates on one simple principle...

The Need to Know. You (me, everyone in their minds)... doesn't have the need to know.

I'm not debating it, I know it has its value in some situations. Its used to the point of absurd in others. But, to pull off things like this. There's a WHOLE lot of people that have to keep a LOT of secrets. That's not human nature.

BigDaddyVapor said:

But, to pull off things like this. There's a WHOLE lot of people that have to keep a LOT of secrets. That's not human nature.

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I think that pretty much answers most major event gov't planned conspiracy theories.

I found the story interesting, but I would say natural news is the conspiracy site, did you notice half the articles lead to a product for sale, it's a fear mongering site.

I only read up to the "his behavior doesn't add up" bit, and I already disagree with them...

It's basically saying, these events don't make sense... THEREFORE CONSPIRACY...

I'm reading it as These events don't make sense... Because the guy seems bat-shit crazy...

e.g.
they say it's weird he surrendered to the police peacefully
according to the doco on the Son of Sam I watched not too long ago, he did the same thing when he was caught.
I know we're talking serial killer vs spree killer in this example, but my basic point is:
Crazy people do crazy things...

TBH, I'm surprised no-one has started blaming Batman Arkham city/insert other video game here...

OK, read a bit more...
If he couldn't possibly get the equipment from anyone but someone setting up a conspiracy, then why would they give him that equipment?
For people who are smart enough to master mind control, they don't seem all to smart at hiding evidence...

Another one - How could he afford it all:
First, I don't necessarily trust their numbers - how many times have you seen a weed bust, where they report it was valued at XXX $million - do the calculations, and it's invariably based on the absolute MAX street price of super small volumes... Not exactly accurate...
It wouldn't surprise me if he got some of his crap for cheaper than what they were saying...
and while $20,000 is certainly a lot of money, I've amassed something like $3-5k of vapes & glass over the last year or so...
Imagine if I had the self-restraint of a batshit crazy guy...
I'd probably have 20 SG pillars

I think I just don't like Natural News...
To me, it seems like they just decide why something happened, and spin it so that it is totally, completely obvious that;
The FBI is using mind control to instigate a false flag operation, by funding and training joe nobody to massacre a bunch of people for no apparent reason so they can come in and save the day...

Or my counter hypothesis:
The dude is batshit crazy...

2 things jump to mind whenever I hear about big conspiracy theories:
Occam's Razor - Look for the simplest solution... Rule that out before you go to conspiracies
Hanlon's Razor - Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity


EDIT:
Holy shit, there's a Hitler reference in there
Cool, So the government is Hitler... Way to go Natural News, that convinced me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

The media and "experts" always try to find answers, where sometimes... there just aren't any. At least any they're willing to accept. When I was younger, I thought long and hard and started to study to be a Forensic Psychologist. As I got deeper into the psychosis, that infects truly disturbed individuals, I got turned off to the field. Hindsight, I think I should have stuck with it... I think I'd be good at it. But, back then... it just stuck out as truly, horrendously mind-boggling... trying to "understand" crazy.

You can't. You can come up with theories and explanations of why possibly... but you'll never truly understand and people (as a whole), don't like that. They want ALL answers.

Answers or no, doesn't anyone find the timing of this with the UN Small Arms Treaty interesting? I mean they are getting ready to try and end-run the second amendment so it seems to me this would be a good strategy. Oh just in case you guys are interested in what the UN wants to do with your liberty, here is a draft copy of the treaty, sorry about the notes on it but beggars can't be choosers. Remember, everything in the preamble is nonbinding. It may sound good but is not enforceable.

http://nagr.org/UN_Draft_Treaty.pdf

If this passes, we are one senate vote away from losing it folks . . . think about it.

t-dub said:

Answers or no, doesn't anyone find the timing of this with the UN Small Arms Treaty interesting? I mean they are getting ready to try and gut the second amendment so it seems to me this would be a good strategy. Oh just in case you guys are interested in what the UN wants to do with your liberty, here is a draft copy of the treaty, sorry about the notes on it but beggars can't be choosers. Remember, everything in the preamble is nonbinding. It may sound good but is not enforceable.

http://nagr.org/UN_Draft_Treaty.pdf

If this passes, we are one senate vote away from losing it folks . . . think about it.

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If "they" were trying to set up something to help destroy second amendment gun rights then boy howdy, they sure fucked that up. Support for gun control has dropped and the purchase of guns has gone up according to the news stories I've seen.

Sometimes a nut is just a nut.

BigDaddyVapor said:

I bet he didn't.

(Let me clarify... I doubt he did any illicit drugs)

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Apparently he was addicted to vicodin and used cannabis. Jeff Cooner was talking about it the other day on Miachael Savage. He was saying because this guy used cannabis it was large contributor to him committing this massacre. I spent most of that ride home yelling at my radio. Lol

They should ban assault weapons and armor piercing bullets, ONLY.

I think the fact that he had a 100 round clip is the problem. How big of a clip does the military use? 30 round?

No civilian needs to shoot that many bullets without reloading. Unless they want to kill a bunch of innocent people in a short amount of time I suppose.

Puffers said:

Apparently he was addicted to vicodin and used cannabis. Jeff Cooner was talking about it the other day on Miachael Savage. He was saying because this guy used cannabis it was large contributor to him committing this massacre. I spent most of that ride home yelling at my radio. Lol

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I have heard a lot of crazy stupid and racist shit on Micheal Savage's radio show but blaming this incident on Cannabis? I give you credit for only screaming at your radio and not just breaking the damn thing haha

Vicki said:

They should ban assault weapons and armor piercing bullets, ONLY.

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I don't know if it's necessary to ban assault weapons, but I am not sure a ban on 50 or 100 round drums is possibly uncalled for.
A semi-auto assault rifle with a 10 round mag is much less of a threat to police then one with 100 rounds capable of suppressing LEO fire. As for the armor piercing bullets I don't believe these rounds are designed to be armor piercing I think they are such high velocity round it gives them that capability.

Haha aes beat me to it by less then a min

Notice the gun outside the UN is NOT an assault weapon? Its a defensive handgun. Besides, if you ban anything it just means the law abiding citizens won't have it. Criminals will always get what they want, they don't obey gun laws.

t-dub said:

Notice the gun outside the UN is NOT an assault weapon? Its a defensive handgun. Besides, if you ban anything it just means the law abiding citizens won't have it. Criminals will always get what they want, they don't obey gun laws.

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Agreed which is why I am still on the fence on this issue. If you ban drums the very next day will be hundreds of people watching you tube videos on how to modify and engineer their own drums out of materials bought from fabrication and hobby stores. There are also gun smiths with the knowledge to produce drums living in almost every county in America. They would be smuggled in from Mexico and sold on the black-market. It will make some of the public want to procure them just for being banned. So in the end I don't know if it really solves anything. If James Holmes couldn't have used an assault rifle with a one hundred round drum, he would have probably just built a bomb.

By far the largest murderers of innocent civilians with guns are governments. This is why they oppose liberty.

Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide

In the 20th Century:

• Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.
• Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.

How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.

Disarmed? What are you going to do? Shoot the government?

I found this post to be interesting relating to this story.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread863163/pg12