Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud

stickstones said:

I have been trying to hook up with my dealer who has been holding some good shit for me, but it took us days to get it set up right. I was thinking about it today and how if this doesn't happen quickly the money will be gone. Nothing disappears quicker than weed money that is not getting spent!

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I feel sorry for you guys . . . I get my flowers free, but only once/year . . . however we are STILL going strong on 1.5 lbs of God's Gift and Blue Dream baby !!! + 2 others . . .

And the Cloud continues to extract my older material like it is new.

Tstat,
I think the first scenario is the case here. While I don't have data on actual operating temperatures in the Cloud's heating chamber, I do have data on external temperatures that are a secondary effect of the heat being generated in the "business zone".

If you look at this chart, you will see the temperature continue to rise in all 3 scenarios, however the green light came on at widely varying points for each test.

For the 9:00 test the light turned green after 12minutes and 29 seconds. While it took a full 29 minutes and 45 seconds for the light to turn green for the Noon test. The max temp test took the longest: 48 minutes and 39 seconds.

So you see the light turning green has no real meaning at least when it comes to secondary external temperatures.

"Dude, forget the lights"

My post wasn't because I am in any way upset about the light, or would even care negatively if my theory is right. I am offering a theory that could explain why some people experience fluctuating light problems. I have been using my Cloud for several months now, so I pretty much know how to use it

I just made an observation and thought Id throw it out there to see if anyone with more knowledge of electricity could chime in.

Edit: thanks Stu, great info there!

You are correct, just commenting that I found forgetting them helped after a while. And in fact, I like the "glitch" and I will tell you why. When my Cloud heats up to "ambient" it goes green and I like that, It does it faster than I though possible until I started looking. More to come.

Any chances that the VXC will be offered standalone for those of us who can't invest too much and already own a suitable piece?

As well as for "non-warranty" replacements ...

JCat said:

As well as for "non-warranty" replacements ...

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Good point, and now that you mention it I'm sure they will offer just the vape eventually. I'm currently on the fence between the LSV, VXC and the VHW. I was leaning towards the LSV due to price and availability, but after I saw that the VXC was available for order, I shit my pants and had to sign up here right away and start asking questions. I'm trying to achieve the best medicating possible here.

The Cloud will be my 11th vaporizer in maybe 15months (trying to find the ultimate desktop and portable). Just get the Cloud.

I've been researching heavilly for these 15 months and actively participating in these forums for a little while ... based on personal experience and research, I believe the Cloud will be the end to my search for now! (will have to move on to the pursuit of the ultimate glass I suppose ) The Cloud seems to be THE ultimate vaporizing device on the market today according to most people that have tried it, but of course, not all (this is, of course, just my opinion as there is no one right vaporizer for every person nor situation)

My opinion on the best portable so far is the Solo (w/ Ed's stems preferably) ... unless your into concentrates in which case my experience is limited to the Persei which works quite nicely but I am having issues with my carts leaking although I think that's due to my lack of experience

It's really looking like it's going to be top of the line, no doubt about it. I know I don't have as much experience as most people on this forum with vaporizers, as I've only owned a MFLB w/ PA and an Extreme Q, both of which serve their purpose and are quality vapes, but I'm still looking for something more. You brought up concentrates, and yes, I love concentrates. Ever since I started using concentrates, I have become more sensitive to the taste and smell of the medicine. Now I am trying to achieve the cleanest vapor possible, and it seems like the top contenders for that are the LSV, VHW and the VXC.

Funny you bring up concentrates, because the reason I don't want a hydratube is because I would just use it connected directly to my waterpipe that is dedicated to concentrates. Not to mention, I do kind of question whether it is a good idea to have the vapor that diffused. In my experience, and bear in mind I have much more experience with concentrates through waterpipes as opposed to vaporized herb, I find it preferable, flavor wise, to keep the diffusion to a minimum. It's almost like a less is more situation; less diffusion means more taste.

pyramid said:

It's really looking like it's going to be top of the line, no doubt about it. I know I don't have as much experience as most people on this forum with vaporizers, as I've only owned a MFLB w/ PA and an Extreme Q, both of which serve their purpose and are quality vapes, but I'm still looking for something more. You brought up concentrates, and yes, I love concentrates. Ever since I started using concentrates, I have become more sensitive to the taste and smell of the medicine. Now I am trying to achieve the cleanest vapor possible, and it seems like the top contenders for that are the LSV, VHW and the VXC.

Funny you bring up concentrates, because the reason I don't want a hydratube is because I would just use it connected directly to my waterpipe that is dedicated to concentrates. Not to mention, I do kind of question whether it is a good idea to have the vapor that diffused. In my experience, and bear in mind I have much more experience with concentrates through waterpipes as opposed to vaporized herb, I find it preferable, flavor wise, to keep the diffusion to a minimum. It's almost like a less is more situation; less diffusion means more taste.

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My first vaporizer was my Extreme Q which I still have (and love). I also have a recently acquired MagickWand that I've really been liking but it's really not much better than the EQ except that it doesn't have the tube.

Best experience with EQ that I've gotten is as follows:
- Heat with bowl on top at 205C for at least 20-30 min. (I leave mine for hours if not the whole day ...)
- I use a Da Buddha hose as it's bigger and more flexible and works better with the 2 elbows one on each end.
- I elbow pack the one end, and put the other elbow into the GonG adapter on my bubbler.
- I can take an elbow pack that usually holds about .15 in 2-3 hits and it is vaped fairly evenly ... decent anyways and the clouds I get are impressive

The MagickWand is marginally better in some ways and marginally worse in others in my opinion ... I really don't think the LSV would be that much different ... the VHW does look pretty awesome and if the Cloud hadn't come up for me soon I may well have gotten one just to try (the coiled heating glass cover I figure would heat the air quite efficiently ... might be better than all the others I've tried ...)

Also would be the Herborizer or the Verdamper as options that look pretty enticing ...

For concentrates why not just use something like the HMK Ti Curves?

I think the design of the embedded herb chamber in the long all glass heating element (as well as I'm sure a number of other design reasons) make the extraction that occurs in the Cloud superior to others ... but I've only tried a handful of vapes in comparison with a lot of people on these forums so it's just my

I had to share this here because I am too bummed to concentrate and I need to get back to work.... maybe it will help me vent and refocus. The only thing it has to do with the cloud is that I was about to head in to the photo studio to take some photos of the cloud. I was going to have a session with my SSV and the new Saturn VaporTamor I got yesterday. I had never used it before and put it in the freezer for the first time. Anyway I was pulling it out of the freezer and the male end of the joint tapped against the side of the fridge. It broke the mail joint.

I spent like $150 on this Saturn VaporTamer and custom mouth piece combo. When the package arrived yesterday they included the wrong mouthpiece. I called them and got it sorted out. I sent the wrong one back yesterday and the correct mouthpiece left their shop today. I am so bummed because I did not get to try and VaporTamer at all... and I had the mistake with their shipping the wrong mouthpiece, so before my mouthpiece even arrives the VaporTamer is broke...

I will give them a call in the morning to see what can be done. I don't expect much though, it was my fault after all. It barely tapped against the freezer though, I am kind of surprised it broke. I purchased the VaporTamer for the review I was doing... so now I am kind of wondering if I want to spend the money to replace it or not. What a bummer. Anyway... Sorry I needed to vent. I was trying to get all ZEN for the photoshoot and that threw me for a loop.

Concentrate-wise, I own a Ti nail and dome, but I do like skillets. I prefer to use a bubbler for dabbing because they are usually smaller (and I know the HTs are not huge) and because they offer minimal water filtration, which I feel is the key to retaining the flavor of the oil. My experience with vaporizing herb through a water pipe is practically nonexistent, but with vaporizing oil, it's another story. With well made oil, I notice a change in flavor more than a change in smoothness with a heavily diffused piece. I can't help but assume the same will be true for vaporizing herb, and seeing as I am trying to get the most full-flavored inhalations as possible, I can't justify committing to a VXC and a HT, when I already own suitable glass.

Hey Slim, that's a bummer, call'em up tomorrow, IMO that should not have cracked that easy... Maybe a bad joint?

jambandphan03 said:

Hey Slim, that's a bummer, call'em up tomorrow, IMO that should not have cracked that easy... Maybe a bad joint?

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Hard to tell, I don't really know. I was trying to be ultra careful. I have always felt like getting your pieces freezing cold is not good for the molecular structure of the glass. I have no proof to back that up... just my limited experience and knowledge with glassblowing leads me to feel that getting your glass freezing cold can weaken the crystal structure. I could be completely wrong. Even if I am wrong, I try and be extra careful when I get my pieces cold. I do feel like it broke with less force then it normally should take... although it is difficult to know if it is just the perfect hit at the perfect point in the glass... or a fault in the manufacturing process.

How hard did it tap the fridge?
Like, a literal tiny tap, or a solid ding or ?

7th floor have always been really easy to deal with for me, if you just lay out what happened, they'll more than likely take care of you.
(and if you mention it was for a review, it might help )
It sounds to me like you got a bum joint/weld.

I would say it was a light/medium hit. There was not much of a tapping noise at all. The glass piece that broke off made more of a noise hitting the ground. I was surprised it happened with the force that was involved.

The piece could still possibly be usable... although it is not safe. There is a chip that is taken out of the male joint, it is like 1/4th of the joint got chipped off. If could still go in a female joint... but I would worry about the sharp edges cutting the female joint and damaging other glass after repetitive use. Unfortunately, I don't think it could be repaired. Even though it is a minor break it is in a location that is not the easiest to repair.

I will give 7th Floor a call in the morning. I imagine they will help me out. They were good about fixing the issue I had with receiving the wrong mouthpiece.

When i worked at the shop in college. We experimented with Glycerin cooling. They were pretty much the same concept, but the technology was a little behind. Instead of doing a sealed glass bead, we would use a cork to plug the hole. Anyway the shop quit making them. We would get allot of people that said it broke after they brought it out of the freezer and tape it against something, or put it down to hard. It left me feeling like the thermal shock of glycerin cooled chambers might weaken their durability. I remember our experience when I purchased the VaporTamer... but I still wanted to purchase one. I still think they are a really interesting concept.

Okay, I finished up in the photo studio for tonight. Once I managed to get myself in the right mindset, I got lots of work done. I spent about 4 hours messing around in the studio and then decided to go edit everything. I thought I would share some of what I accomplished this evening.


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Awesome photos!

Just to let everyone know, this morning I shut my air conditioner off, turned on the Cloud and within 10 minutes (at noon) the green light came on and stayed on. SO... if anyone experiences the Cloud lights not turning green, make sure it's getting enough power. This could really explain some of the complaints!

pyramid said:

Not to mention, I do kind of question whether it is a good idea to have the vapor that diffused. In my experience, and bear in mind I have much more experience with concentrates through waterpipes as opposed to vaporized herb, I find it preferable, flavor wise, to keep the diffusion to a minimum. It's almost like a less is more situation; less diffusion means more taste.

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I agree with you here, although I do love the small amount of water required for a HT, there is alot of diffusion and I find myself cleaning the HT constantly.. Not sure how all you glass heads deal with it, but it's enough to turn me off all other glass (other than small HT)... i always lose a bit of iso in the process, which gets expensive since I have to clean 1-2x /day... and that's going through less than 1-2g.

Also wanted to add that after nearly 7 weeks of use, my Cloud still performs flawless and I never have any led issues. It also continues to amaze me which is actually shocking myself because i'm prone to boredom quickly and moving on to the next hunt....not this time! Still have the urge for portables, but not desktop. I mean it would be NICE to own a herborizer or VHW, but the desire has dropped due to the Cloud.

Slightly Medicated said:

I would say it was a light/medium hit. There was not much of a tapping noise at all. The glass piece that broke off made more of a noise hitting the ground. I was surprised it happened with the force that was involved.

The piece could still possibly be usable... although it is not safe. There is a chip that is taken out of the male joint, it is like 1/4th of the joint got chipped off. If could still go in a female joint... but I would worry about the sharp edges cutting the female joint and damaging other glass after repetitive use. Unfortunately, I don't think it could be repaired. Even though it is a minor break it is in a location that is not the easiest to repair.

I will give 7th Floor a call in the morning. I imagine they will help me out. They were good about fixing the issue I had with receiving the wrong mouthpiece.

When i worked at the shop in college. We experimented with Glycerin cooling. They were pretty much the same concept, but the technology was a little behind. Instead of doing a sealed glass bead, we would use a cork to plug the hole. Anyway the shop quit making them. We would get allot of people that said it broke after they brought it out of the freezer and tape it against something, or put it down to hard. It left me feeling like the thermal shock of glycerin cooled chambers might weaken their durability. I remember our experience when I purchased the VaporTamer... but I still wanted to purchase one. I still think they are a really interesting concept.

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Sorry to hear for your damaged goods, one thing that I have noticed in my long history of glass use is, sometimes with glass you'll drop it and watch it drop and expect the break and it doesn't happen and then other times the slightest dings crack the glass.

I'm no engineer but I think that sometimes when glass is dinged int he right direction against the right surface in the right manner, no matter how hard the ding was it causes a break.

Additionally temperature is a known factor, my hypothesis is that the extra weight of the glycerin inside the chamber maximized the stress against the glass, and when you dinged it a perfect storm was present for "breakage"

pyramid said:

Good point, and now that you mention it I'm sure they will offer just the vape eventually. I'm currently on the fence between the LSV, VXC and the VHW. I was leaning towards the LSV due to price and availability, but after I saw that the VXC was available for order, I shit my pants and had to sign up here right away and start asking questions. I'm trying to achieve the best medicating possible here.

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IIRC (not positive) there was some discussion/debate comparing these vapes earlier in this thread.

there is def a good one 'vxc vs vhw' either here or in the vhw thread.

having owned both, imo the winner is easily the vxc.

Tstat said:

Just to let everyone know, this morning I shut my air conditioner off, turned on the Cloud and within 10 minutes (at noon) the green light came on and stayed on. SO... if anyone experiences the Cloud lights not turning green, make sure it's getting enough power. This could really explain some of the complaints!

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I saw your post yesterday about this. Presumably the a/c is a window unit running off the room's 110V on a 15A circuit? If the unit is running continuously and running hard (which besides heat can be due to the room size being large relative to the unit's rating, and the age of the unit), it could conceivably cause modulations in the current to other devices. Putting a light on a dimmer switch set low may reveal this; the light will fluctuate. It's also possible that there is an issue in the outlet or wiring somewhere on the circuit causing leakage; did the Cloud behave the same on another outlet? On a different circuit? If you're comfortable doing it (don't do this if you're not), switch off the main at the box and pull the panel to expose the wires into the breakers. Check that the screws holding the circuit's wire are cinched tight to the bar, otherwise current flow can fluctuate. You can get a meter that checks the current at all points in the circuit. Or, an electrician should be able to check this very quickly.

I agree with obg. I probably wouldn't want to run the Cloud on the same circuit as the AC if possible. The one time I had a whole house problem with lights dimming, etc., it was a bad wire connection on one of the circuit breakers. Electricity is a finicky, dangerous thing. If you have no experience with it, call someone who does!

stickstones said:

I agree with obg. I probably wouldn't want to run the Cloud on the same circuit as the AC if possible. The one time I had a whole house problem with lights dimming, etc., it was a bad wire connection on one of the circuit breakers. Electricity is a finicky, dangerous thing. If you have no experience with it, call someone who does!

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Hey man if I run my gaming PC and media center at the same time, and then make the mistake of turning on my AC it'll blow a fuse...happens every time 80% of the time