Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud

t-dub

t-dub

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ili said:
They don't post anymore because some fun-boys over the Thermovape camp bashed them for their not so favourable review of it... :2c: I know he (VS) didn't use with the best possible technic but again... :rolleyes:
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I caught that "professional consultant" (his claim) using techniques in a "review" video that he KNEW had previously failed with the device. He didn't disclose that the video was a "demonstration". That means it goes from review to hit job in my opinion.

Back to the Cloud . . .

I wish every medical patient could have one of these. The way this thing spikes my dose is, incredible, and with just flowers. I like to give it plenty of time to warm up to what I call, "Cloud Ambient" at about 10:30 on the dial and just get rip after rip of amazing, tasty, vapor. I'm not going to bother rehashing stuff, my experience is pretty an par with SliMs, especially when you hook this thing up to a Fritted Disc (heaven :luv:) but I will add a few things:

A trained ELB is your friend. An overnight (EDIT: My ELBs are training in about an hour) train in just about any 18mm gong will do it. I have a little training center lined up and am marching them through. I also find keeping them clean and having extras a must. I use an ELB once then into the iso bath it goes. I'll post something to show the little regimen I am establishing right now.

LED firmware glitch confirmed. The SGW HT is awesome but with the Fritted Disc I'm not using it much.

Conduction Percolation: At last I can finally relax when I medicate and not feel rushed. Especially with the Cloud sitting upside down in the DG, you can just leave it there and come back when you want, a little primer hit, a la SliM, and your back in action. So much nicer than the rush with the HerbalAire . . .

ABV, I am going to shoot a pic with Cloud ABV and HA ABV when I have about 1/4 cup of each to compare, shouldn't be long, and this will give us a nice homogenous color base. I feel that the Cloud not only extracts way better than the HA, denser more tasty vapor, but the ABV doesn't look as dessicated. Perfect, even, beautiful ABV every time, everywhere on the dial.

Has the Cloud exceeded my expectations? Yup, absolutely :tup:(and I have never said that about a vape before) We will see what the service dept is like but so far I am a happy, happy, camper. I want to thank not only SM and the entire VapeXhale crew, but also vtac and this entire community for helping me on my vapor quest. I really feel at this point, quite satisfied. But then again, I'm medicating through almost $1,000 worth of equipment when you think about it ;)

Edit: The ELBs are training much more quickly than I thought. I am using 2 18mm gong/vapor hose adapters and putting the ELBs in with the caps on and then placing these on top of the warm Cloud to heat. One of the adapters is slightly more snug than the other so I am doing a progressive, size down. By the time I put it in the Cloud joint, it goes in and out with no tool required. Smooth.

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stonemonkey55

stonemonkey55

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Manufacturer
t-dub said:
I caught that "professional consultant" (his claim) using techniques in a "review" video that he KNEW had previously failed with the device. He didn't disclose that the video was a "demonstration". That means it goes from review to hit job in my opinion.

Back to the Cloud . . .

I wish every medical patient could have one of these. The way this thing spikes my dose is, incredible, and with just flowers. I like to give it plenty of time to warm up to what I call, "Cloud Ambient" at about 10:30 on the dial and just get rip after rip of amazing, tasty, vapor. I'm not going to bother rehashing stuff, my experience is pretty an par with SliMs, especially when you hook this thing up to a Fritted Disc (heaven :luv:) but I will add a few things:

A trained ELB is your friend. An overnight (EDIT: My ELBs are training in about an hour) train in just about any 18mm gong will do it. I have a little training center lined up and am marching them through. I also find keeping them clean and having extras a must. I use an ELB once then into the iso bath it goes. I'll post something to show the little regimen I am establishing right now.

LED firmware glitch confirmed. The SGW HT is awesome but with the Fritted Disc I'm not using it much.

Conduction Percolation: At last I can finally relax when I medicate and not feel rushed. Especially with the Cloud sitting upside down in the DG, you can just leave it there and come back when you want, a little primer hit, a la SliM, and your back in action. So much nicer than the rush with the HerbalAire . . .

ABV, I am going to shoot a pic with Cloud ABV and HA ABV when I have about 1/4 cup of each to compare, shouldn't be long, and this will give us a nice homogenous color base. I feel that the Cloud not only extracts way better than the HA, denser more tasty vapor, but the ABV doesn't look as dessicated. Perfect, even, beautiful ABV every time, everywhere on the dial.

Has the Cloud exceeded my expectations? Yup, absolutely :tup:(and I have never said that about a vape before) We will see what the service dept is like but so far I am a happy, happy, camper. I want to thank not only SM and the entire VapeXhale crew, but also vtac and this entire community for helping me on my vapor quest. I really feel at this point, quite satisfied. But then again, I'm medicating through almost $1,000 worth of equipment when you think about it ;)

Edit: The ELBs are training much more quickly than I thought. I am using 2 18mm gong/vapor hose adapters and putting the ELBs in with the caps on and then placing these on top of the warm Cloud to heat. One of the adapters is slightly more snug than the other so I am doing a progressive, size down. By the time I put it in the Cloud joint, it goes in and out with no tool required. Smooth.

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Tdub - glad to hear that your unit is treating you well. I look forward to hearing about more of your experiences as you get more familiar with the Cloud.
 
Ed's TnT

Ed's TnT

Woodsman
Manufacturer
What if it was just a mouth piece, with a 5/16" bore hole all the way through opening into a 3/4". The 18mm male is .71" and the closest I could get would be .75" the bowl would have a taper to fit snug over the male protruding from the unit. Whats your thoughts?

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luchiano

luchiano

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VapeNStone said:
So from the sounds of it you don't like taking huge rippers out of a bong? So why are you here? You know the cloud is a waterpipe vape right? That gets the hugest of the hugest hits?
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Where did I state that I don't like bong rips?.

I stated I like doing it before doing exercise or something physical due to the adrenaline rush but I don't do it all day because it will raise my tolerance and not get me super high(overtime) like a slow process will but that is for when I just want to chill or hangout at a party or get together after the session, use extremely small amounts of herb(divide .20 grams by 4 so I can vape around .05) and raise the temperature in increments to not waste any vapor through exhaling clouds. Remember this is not smoking so constantly blowing clouds is a waste and you aren't get as high as you can get by using small amounts as to where it goes into your lungs with the air in a nice dilution and doesn't cause your body to send it to fat cells which thick vapor will because I have theory that when the ratio of air to vapor/smoke is low in your lungs your body reacts to thinking it needs more air and gets your body into an adrenaline rush which sends a lot of the vapor to fat cells, if you don't do anything like sitting around, so the substances can't be used for energy, they go to the fat cells and then the fat cells will make metabolites which have been shown to raise tolerance overtime. Also you won't exhale a lot, if any, vapor which means MEGA HIGH just without the rush the big hits bring and it will take a longer than 4-8 hits. In other words the big hits is for the daytime when I am exercising or busy and the slow hits for when I want to chill, get mega high and have fun with some people or do something creative.

Each process has it's benefits when used the right way and needed for certain things.
 
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Ed's TnT said:
What if it was just a mouth piece, with a 5/16" bore hole all the way through opening into a 3/4". The 18mm male is .71" and the closest I could get would be .75" the bowl would have a taper to fit snug over the male protruding from the unit. Whats your thoughts?

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Do it Ed!!! I'll get one of those too! You can send it with my solo dugout ;)
 
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luchiano

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m0j0h4nd said:
I love when stoners have theories.
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I didn't just make this up out of the blue, it was years of me figuring this out. I call it a theory because I don't have scientific facts to back me up using cannabis but this is well known as to why white bread, sugar and other processed foods cause problems overtime with people who are sedentary, it's because they are absorbed so fast that it causes the body to deal with everything fast and inefficient, if you aren't active within the period of eating them so a lot goes to fat cells, lower cell receptors for insulin and causes obesity but in our case it lowers tolerance by making less receptors which means more to get super high and who knows what else down the line although I don't think it is the cause of any sickness, at least major.

It's one of the reason why dabbing raises tolerance so fast.
 
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I'd just to interject and say that in spite of this vape having a reputation for a huge-hitter (which it can be, and does quite well), it's also a wonderful vape for conserving meds, medicating quickly and safely.

I often only load about .05g in my ELB, and vape it at the lowest setting. This means the ELB barely has enough herb to cover the bottom of the bowl.


A rockzap on steroids, you might say...
 
luchiano

luchiano

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Tea Party said:
right....
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As usual people get mad or try to be sarcastic when you state something they don't like but I will stop talking about this before it turns into someone saying something disrespectful and going into another direction. I just don't get why people always talk down on something they don't understand instead of just using their brains and seeing if what is stated makes sense or not.

Stonemonkey, you know I have much respect for you and your product so don't take the things I'm stating as a way to try to diss your product in a sneaky way because like I've stated numerous times in this thread I think it's the shit and perfect for what I want it for. Hopefully down the line people will open their eyes and see what I'm stating is true. I remember when people used to laugh at vaporizer users and some still are. I just read an article stating vaporizers are just expensive incense but of course it's because they don't know how to use them. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER and you don't just get it from reading books, you have a brain to figure things out also so use it, communicate with others and put everything together to come up with an answer just like the first person who invented vaporizing cannabis in Jamaica, as we know it,with coconut charcoal, wood bong, and metal scraps to the vaporizers we have today. They figured things out, communicated by studying each others work and came up with their products. No different then what I'm doing.
 
Irie

Irie

Chant Down Babylon
luchiano said:
as to where it goes into your lungs with the air in a nice dilution and doesn't cause your body to send it to fat cells which thick vapor will because I have theory that when the ratio of air to vapor/smoke is low in your lungs your body reacts to thinking it needs more air and gets your body into an adrenaline rush which sends a lot of the vapor to fat cells, if you don't do anything like sitting around, so the substances can't be used for energy, they go to the fat cells and then the fat cells will make metabolites which have been shown to raise tolerance overtime. Also you won't exhale a lot, if any, vapor which means MEGA HIGH just without the rush the big hits bring and it will take a longer than 4-8 hits. In other words the big hits is for the daytime when I am exercising or busy and the slow hits for when I want to chill, get mega high and have fun with some people or do something creative.

Each process has it's benefits when used the right way and needed for certain things.
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I'd be interested to know how you and your hypothesis or "theory" is predicting this statement. Especially how your lung transports cannabis vapor into your fat cells. What's the pathways you are considering? I can relate and possibly agree with some of your experience, though I believe you are making some leaps.


luchiano said:
everything together to come up with an answer just like the first person who invented vaporizing cannabis in Jamaica, as we know it,with coconut charcoal, wood bong, and metal scraps to the vaporizers we have today. They figured things out, communicated by studying each others work and came up with their products. No different then what I'm doing.
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In support, discussion and education in effort to not lead folks astray, I would suggest looking into, thinking or researching the possibility of India and or Persian ancestry of cannabis and likely vaporization.

There are a lot of intelligent people here. Communication and clarity is a priority.
 
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natural farmer

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Ed's TnT said:
What if it was just a mouth piece, with a 5/16" bore hole all the way through opening into a 3/4". The 18mm male is .71" and the closest I could get would be .75" the bowl would have a taper to fit snug over the male protruding from the unit. Whats your thoughts?
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Maybe a little longer? :myday:
 
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luchiano

luchiano

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Irie, I explained already how the vapor gets put into the fat cells a few times already. If you want to learn more just do a google search on high glycemic foods and what happens when you eat them and are sedentary.

Again, READ what I stated because I wrote vaporizing as we know it today was first known in Jamaica in the 70's. The type of vaporizing you are referring to is putting seeds, flowers, and hash on a piece of charcoal or some type of heat and inhaling the vapors. The Jamaican version is the prototype of the vaporizers we use, it is called the Steampipe and was used since the 70's. There's used to be a video that went more in depth but I can't find it anymore. Here's an article on it:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4281.html
Bubbleman's steampipe journey

Tradition and cannabis come together on the sunny Rasta Island
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Here's someone using it but this isn't the same person:
 
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Slightly Medicated

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Ed's TnT said:
What if it was just a mouth piece, with a 5/16" bore hole all the way through opening into a 3/4". The 18mm male is .71" and the closest I could get would be .75" the bowl would have a taper to fit snug over the male protruding from the unit. Whats your thoughts?
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That looks great. I really like the form factor. It could be a little longer. The area where it transitions from 5/16th to 3/4th will that be abrupt angle/transition, or are you going to sort of taper the transition from 5/16th to 3/4th on the inside? I think it would be great if you could make a cone/funnel shape inside for the taper. Does that make sense? I think that looks really good though. :tup::tup:
 
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Irie

Irie

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I dunno man....first search I did showed this source which shows the exact same pipe designs as early as the 17th century.
http://www.hookahhookah.com/hookahhookah_com_-_store2/hookah-history.html
And the hookah is certainly earlier. Why on earth would you not consider the hookah as relevant, I am not sure.

I will have to try and look for your past theories of thc in fat cells. I would have thought it was not actually thc but the metabolizes or byproducts or processing the thc and other cannabinoids.

But what do I know?

luchiano said:
Irie, I explained already how the vapor gets put into the fat cells a few times already. If you want to learn more just do a google search on high glycemic foods and what happens when you eat them and are sedentary.

Again, READ what I stated because I wrote vaporizing as we know it today was first known in Jamaica in the 70's. The type of vaporizing you are referring to is putting seeds, flowers, and hash on a piece of charcoal or some type of heat and inhaling the vapors. The Jamaican version is the prototype of the vaporizers we use, it is called the Steampipe and was used since the 70's. There's used to be a video that went more in depth but I can't find it anymore. Here's an article on it:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4281.html
Bubbleman's steampipe journey

Tradition and cannabis come together on the sunny Rasta Island
4281-CC_R1_048.jpg

Here's someone using it but this isn't the same person:
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THCMuscle said:
I'd just to interject and say that in spite of this vape having a reputation for a huge-hitter (which it can be, and does quite well), it's also a wonderful vape for conserving meds, medicating quickly and safely.

I often only load about .05g in my ELB, and vape it at the lowest setting. This means the ELB barely has enough herb to cover the bottom of the bowl.


A rockzap on steroids, you might say...
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True, I just tried what you stated, put a tiny amount in the ELB, just a little more than covered the screen, let the unit heat up on the lowest possible setting (7:00) and hit it and got pretty satisfying vapour actually and a nice cerebral low temp effect. I got a couple more whispy hits and then cranked it to 3:00 and got one more tiny one. However the resulting ABV is pretty green, due to the massive ELB for this little amount of flowers. It's gonna be sick when new high efficiency ELBs come out!
 
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m0sh

m0sh

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vape4life said:
True, I just tried what you stated, put a tiny amount in the ELB, just a little more than covered the screen, let the unit heat up on the lowest possible setting (7:00) and hit it and got pretty satisfying vapour actually and a nice cerebral low temp effect. I got a couple more whispy hits and then cranked it to 3:00 and got one more tiny one. However the resulting ABV is pretty green, due to the massive ELB for this little amount of flowers. It's gonna be sick when new high efficiency ELBs come out!
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So in this regard, what is in your opinion the optimal amount to put ? .2?
 
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Ed's TnT

Ed's TnT

Woodsman
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Slightly Medicated said:
That looks great. I really like the form factor. It could be a little longer. The area where it transitions from 5/16th to 3/4th will that be abrupt angle/transition, or are you going to sort of taper the transition from 5/16th to 3/4th on the inside? I think it would be great if you could make a cone/funnel shape inside for the taper. Does that make sense? I think that looks really good though. :tup::tup:
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Where the 5/16" meets the 3/4" would have a slight taper on the inside kinda like a soft cone. The distance between the wood to the glass male would only be .04" so it should fit well and not be so hard to get off. This piece is only 3 1/2" in length, I just turned it to see how it would look. I think it should be a little longer and will try it at least at 4" next.

What is the temp ranges this unit runs at?
 
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m0sh said:
So in this regard, what is in your opinion the optimal amount to put ? .2?
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Not sure if there really is an "optimal" amount, but I think you can put in as much as you want. If you put in .2 or cram in more, you may require one stir. I think .15 may be a sweet spot for me personally, around that to .2.

I still can't believe how effective this thing is at extraction...with one stir and increasing the temp to the higher range and my ABV becomes basically powder.
 
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vape4life

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I always thought i'd be able to put .3-.5 in the ELB like I used to with my EQ but I was way off. I find i'm having problems putting in more than .2g so i'm pretty happy about that.
 
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MacRadish

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Ed's TnT said:
What if it was just a mouth piece, with a 5/16" bore hole all the way through opening into a 3/4". The 18mm male is .71" and the closest I could get would be .75" the bowl would have a taper to fit snug over the male protruding from the unit. Whats your thoughts?
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I'd go for one, in place of the GonG adapter I've been using as mouthpiece.

As I leave cumulus clouds behind, passing through nimbostratus on the way to cumulonimbus clouds, I find myself having difficulty managing the HT. IOW, I am fuckin scared I'm gonna break it while medicated.
 
Ed's TnT

Ed's TnT

Woodsman
Manufacturer
MacRadish said:
I'd go for one, in place of the GonG adapter I've been using as mouthpiece.

As I leave cumulus clouds behind, passing through nimbostratus on the way to cumulonimbus clouds, I find myself having difficulty managing the HT. IOW, I am fuckin scared I'm gonna break it while medicated.
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I was wondering if anyone used it as a direct draw straight from a mouth piece. Just went and picked up a piece of tooling to make it happen! How do you enjoy it using that method? Is it a hot dry vapor? I am sure you can dial it back to your liking right?
 
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