Discontinued Purple-Days Vaporizer

I'll chime in and add to the chorus of, "I came to FC in love with PD, then I read the thread."

His penchant for being a disreputable and dishonest spokesman for his company left me loathing the man. Attacking competitors with claims that they were very risky to your health while providing no evidence to back it up is one of the slimiest marketing tactics possible. He and his fans relentlessly harassed other vendors. He would make contact with people through incendiary emails and pms and then lie in public and deny it, or edit the posts. These things speak a great deal about the character of a man.

I realize that there's a lot of people who really liked him, but I see that the people he had good relationships with on here rarely, if ever, questioned him in any way. Just because he was nice to a few people, doesn't absolve his numerous pitiful tantrums.

Like the girls say, "If your boyfriend is nice to you, but is mean to the waitress then he is an asshole." This isn't that he has a robust personality.

And as for conversation in this thread... The man gave us all the finger. I can think of nothing better than using this thread for an airing of the grievances against him. Mine is now finished.

kewpcer said:

.....his fans relentlessly harassed other vendors.

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Harassing other vendors? I would NEVER do such a thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJiu4jXfTk

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And that folks, is why we need lwien around.

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There's a quote about a man that when shown a coat of general fit claims passionately that it was tailored for himself...

kewpcer said:

There's a quote about a man that when shown a coat of general fit claims passionately that it was tailored for himself...

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Hmmm.........never heard that one before but I like it. But......you made a statement about PD fans harassing other vendors, but in all honesty, I can't think of anyone else that has been more vocal in this regard than I. Can you? And if so, I will gladly pass my crown that I wear so proudly .

(damn, been back one day and it's as if I've never left. )

I was one of the first here to buy a PD and as much as I enjoyed my SSV this thing blew me away to the point where it became my daily driver and my first PD remains a prized possession to me. Mine has the original LED light so I guess it's a bit of a collector's item. I always had really good communications with Tom and Pammy and I understand that this has not always been the case. So be it. It's been a fun ride with the contests which were often fun, funny and creative, lots of free prize giveaways of all good stuff - handmade stash bowls, etc. There's alot of good memories from this very obscure and tiny remote corner of the internets. I was just thinking of an extreme case of bad business manners - this guy who goes by the first name "Bleeker" who owns a record shop in NYC. I like him, I understand him. Once I walked in there with a date and "Bleeker" grabbed this woman's breast as he was answering her record album question. Normally things like this don't happen. Like this wouldn't happen by a waiter in a restaurant, for example. He did it in a playful way and we both thought this was funny and cool - part of the experience of shopping in this store. We didn't buy anything; I think we both went in there for the abuse. This was years ago before he had a stroke. "Bleeker" got my band a record deal in England in the '80's - I like the guy alot. Anyway this other friend of mine opened a record store in Seattle some years ago and he would sometimes chase customers out of the store with a stick, spit on the floor and use the floor as an ashtray. All while wearing his trademark Balorama sunglasses. Once I visited his store and a customer, because this is Seattle, asked if he had any "Heart" CDs. He said, "No, we don't carry that kind of crap." That store soon went out of business. Word got around that the owner is an asshole but he's one of my best friends. A different city, arguably a "politically correct" city; a different level of tolerance and manners. These stories have NOTHING to do with what's going on, I just thought they were funny true stories. I hope Tom and Pammy are doing OK; I wish them the best. I personally have only very positive experiences and I consider both of them to be friends. Not to take anything at all away from those who feel they did not, but I'm probably in the majority.

I have had some communication with Tom after hearing what happened here and while I don't want to betray any confidence here as to the reasons why he decided to do what he did, I will say that the reasons are multiple with the overriding one being health issues. When one is faced with a major health issue revolving around their life long love partner, ALL other things become a LOT less important, as it should be.

My thoughts and prayers go out to both of them.

I will say this though. While many here take issue as to how he communicated his decision to do what he did, I don't know if any of us, faced with the same circumstances that can produce both fear and frustration in mega loads, would have communicated their intentions in any better of a way.

lwien said:

I have had some communication with Tom after hearing what happened here and while I don't want to betray any confidence here as to the reasons why he decided to do what he did, I will say that the reasons are multiple with the overriding one being health issues. When one is faced with a major health issue revolving around their life long love partner, ALL other things become a LOT less important, as it should be.

My thoughts and prayers go out to both of them.

I will say this though. While many here take issue as to how he communicated his decision to do what he did, I don't know if any of us, faced with the same circumstances that can produce both fear and frustration in mega loads, would have communicated their intentions in any better of a way.

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Yeah yeah yeah. Sorry to hear of health problems but he's an adult business owner, or was. Neither one of those categories, IMO, tells their friends, families or customers that they are assholes and to essentially F-off.

Kill us or kill him with kindness if that is how you need to frame it but, at least for now, unless it's edited, per usual, his last post is representative of a lot and it is not kind, professional nor friendly.

Just because I have stress in my life it doesn't allow me to tell you or anyone else to f off.

lwien said:

I will say this though. While many here take issue as to how he communicated his decision to do what he did, I don't know if any of us, faced with the same circumstances that can produce both fear and frustration in mega loads, would have communicated their intentions in any better of a way.

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I know.

One guy loses the use of his legs and is bitter the rest of his life. Another guy starts skydiving.

Tom reacts the way he does. His recent behavior is not new. No surprises. It can't be blamed on the regrettably unfortunate circumstances in his life. And, it can't be excused by saying anyone would have done the same. No. Many of us have had extremely stressful family situations and not acted this way to others.

And again, this is far from the first time. Anyone surprised by the way he handled this has not been paying attention.

He put a lot of effort into his farewell. He could have just said there are extenuating circumstances at the root of our decision, we don't want to go into specifics. Goodbye.

lwien said:

I have had some communication with Tom after hearing what happened here and while I don't want to betray any confidence here as to the reasons why he decided to do what he did, I will say that the reasons are multiple with the overriding one being health issues. When one is faced with a major health issue revolving around their life long love partner, ALL other things become a LOT less important, as it should be.

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So why blame it on FC and call us all assholes? We didn't cause their health problems, did we? I don't have a problem with them closing up shop. I have a problem with the way they went about it. But it shouldn't have been surprising given Tom's previous actions on this forum.

I don't see how anybody could objectively follow this PD thread, and still wish to defend Tom....but I guess I'm not lwien or jeffp. I for one believe this forum will be *so much* better now that Tom and Pammy are gone. Much less negativity. Less unquestioning idol worship. And of course without the PD people will be concentrating on IMO better log vapes made by better people.

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I was just thinking of an extreme case of bad business manners - this guy who goes by the first name "Bleeker" who owns a record shop in NYC. I like him, I understand him. Once I walked in there with a date and "Bleeker" grabbed this woman's breast as he was answering her record album question. Normally things like this don't happen. Like this wouldn't happen by a waiter in a restaurant, for example. He did it in a playful way and we both thought this was funny and cool - part of the experience of shopping in this store. We didn't buy anything; I think we both went in there for the abuse. This was years ago before he had a stroke. "Bleeker" got my band a record deal in England in the '80's - I like the guy alot.

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wtf?

mod note: If you can't post more than 3 letters, it's a useless post that shouldn't be made. Don't make short posts that offer no significant content

lwien said:

I have had some communication with Tom after hearing what happened here and while I don't want to betray any confidence here as to the reasons why he decided to do what he did, I will say that the reasons are multiple with the overriding one being health issues. When one is faced with a major health issue revolving around their life long love partner, ALL other things become a LOT less important, as it should be.

My thoughts and prayers go out to both of them.

I will say this though. While many here take issue as to how he communicated his decision to do what he did, I don't know if any of us, faced with the same circumstances that can produce both fear and frustration in mega loads, would have communicated their intentions in any better of a way.

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Thanks. I wanted to send pammy a xmas hello, so long since I contacted her. I hope the best for both of them

I think that aliens came and killed them while they were sitting in front of the computer, man.

And, through the FC forum the aliens figured out our language, including how to read and write but not speak.

They next posted that last post while they were still logged into the Purple Days FC account to give everyone the impression that it was Tom and to cover their tracks.

YOU GOD DAM EXTRATERRESTRIAL MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!

God bless your souls Tom & Pammy. May you rest in peace (and have a happy new year).

Rather than quoting what has become simply too much text (am I violating FC rules by not doing this?), regarding several persons being perplexed why I would promote discussion of PD problems, modifications, upgrades and innovations, I say "Why not? Aren't these among the topics we should be discussing here?" In terms of personal motivation (why should those bringing up substantive issues in this thread so frequently have their motivation questioned?), recall that I explained that I've long been forced to fix Eterras and more recently cobble together similar (thus, PD-similar) vaporizers for personal use. My intent is to get the PD community, many or most likely not following other "log" vaporizer threads, to discuss potential and desired modifications, upgrades and innovations, particularly now that we are free of Tom's controlling influence.

Hopefully, discussion of PD issues will stimulate others with access to resources (e.g., a workshop, which I lack) to develop and provide novel PD upgrade and modification services, besides straight repairs (i.e., do things I, other vaporizer hobbyists and also commercial manufacturers can learn from). And of course, I want to see real innovations. I also would like to see more accessories, such as vapor tubes and adapters. Regarding respondents asserting that many of the cited PD's issues have been addressed in other "log" vaporizers (which I don't agree with; Let's talk about this), recall my stated interest is in improvements to the PD, with any PD improvements presumably relevant to all other current and future similar vaporizers. My motivations are selfish - I want more and better "log" (or rather hand-held, low-power, inhalation-driven, convection) vaporizers.

So again I suggest, let's get around to also discussing the PD and making it (or its successors) better; repairs and modifications; etc.

But critically discussing the PD itself will be something radical for this thread; and the PD community (and there definitely is one) is under stress. Like I said, if it is too soon to discuss the PD (which appears to be the case based on the few perplexed responses to my post, #10112), no problem, this can be revisited in the future. Or maybe there needs to be a new thread for the PD as a vaporizer, leaving this one, the "Purple-Days Experience," for communications among the PD community and those not interested in nerdy discussions of the PD.

vap999 said:

But critically discussing the PD itself will be something radical for this thread

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Very true, and the negative messages you received seemed premature and unnecessary. But I get the point that discussions such as you're proposing perhaps belong in a different thread, esp. since you yourself are modifying Eterras, not PDs. This PD thread (though it gets off topic a lot, and currently consists of back-and-forth criticisms/defenses of Tom) should predominantly be about reviews/problems/solutions for current PD owners.

PDs and Eterras are no longer available new, yet there are likely a number of skilled hobbyists on FC and elsewhere still rockin their units. This could lead to some fantastic experimentation and performance increases, esp. now that (as you note) Tom won't be around to flame any PD mod attempt.

But I'd suggest a new topic be established for this kind of discussion: "Basic log vape (Eterra, PD) modifications/improvements" .... or something like that

zmurder said:

vap999 said:

But critically discussing the PD itself will be something radical for this thread

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Very true, and the negative messages you received seemed premature and unnecessary. But I get the point that discussions such as you're proposing perhaps belong in a different thread, esp. since you yourself are modifying Eterras, not PDs. This PD thread (though it gets off topic a lot, and currently consists of back-and-forth criticisms/defenses of Tom) should predominantly be about reviews/problems/solutions for current PD owners.

PDs and Eterras are no longer available new, yet there are likely a number of skilled hobbyists on FC and elsewhere still rockin their units. This could lead to some fantastic experimentation and performance increases, esp. now that (as you note) Tom won't be around to flame any PD mod attempt.

But I'd suggest a new topic be established for this kind of discussion: "Basic log vape (Eterra, PD) modifications/improvements" .... or something like that

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I totally agree with 95% of this.

Regardless, I would like to see *this* thread stay and not be removed for the wealth of useful information that's contained here. I take exception to the notion that there was ever any "idol worship" from anyone toward Tom. I think that's completely ridiculous. Someone posted something along those lines today and I feel it should be responded to. Respect, appreciation, yes. Deferring to his wisdom regarding the PD I think is completely appropriate as well. My opinion. As I recall one of Tom's biggest concerns with modding or messing with the PD is fire hazard. That seems to be a completely reasonable concern. Personality conflicts aside, the PD is a really good vape; it's a favored vape by many, I'm sorry to see its official demise and I'm even more sorry that it ended on a bad note but I'm very happy to know that quality repairs will be available to the community by the community. That is extremely good news.

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But I'd suggest a new topic be established for this kind of discussion: "Basic log vape (Eterra, PD) modifications/improvements" .... or something like that

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I agree completely. There should be a different thread. There is no point in discussing modifications to a product that will no longer be produced.

Stu said:

zmurder said:

But I'd suggest a new topic be established for this kind of discussion: "Basic log vape (Eterra, PD) modifications/improvements" .... or something like that

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I agree completely. There should be a different thread. There is no point in discussing modifications to a product that will no longer be produced.

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Regarding "no point in discussing modifications to a product that will no longer be produced," there are many PDs out there and, as kit owners can likely confirm, modifications shouldn't be that hard.

I was speaking in regards to the design. Not aftermarket mods.

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I take exception to the notion that there was ever any "idol worship" from anyone toward Tom. I think that's completely ridiculous.

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I think the notion that anyone who has read this thread has seen no evidence of "idol worship" is ridiculous.

I've experienced it first hand. I still have the threatening email from a former member saying I "stained" the PD thread. I also have my email to Vtac, and his response. If you haven't seen any idol worship, shoot me an email and I'll show you.

I'm not trying to take anything away form your experience. It's great that yours has been positive. Not everyone has been so lucky. Some times, certainly not always, Tom instigated or overreacted and others jumped to support him even when he was wrong.

Hey guys, here's a question which would have been entirely taboo with Tom around - whats a reliable source for purchasing 13V power adaptors for the PD? I remember bringing this up a while ago, but Tom's fear of modifications prevented anyone from answering me.

Nebulous said:

Hey guys, here's a question which would have been entirely taboo with Tom around - whats a reliable source for purchasing 13V power adaptors for the PD? I remember bringing this up a while ago, but Tom's fear of modifications prevented anyone from answering me.

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Nebulous, the only person I know that uses a 13v is IAmKrazy2. I can't remember where he said he got it, so hopefully he will chime in here. There are some 13.5v's out there and a few varialbe voltages, but like I said, he'd be the one to ask.

There's a thread here about using variable power supplies with log vapes:
http://fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=5787
I think the dimmer switch that vap999 mentions there sounds interesting.