MarcellusWiley
Dab Trotter
nice fact sheet quantum. gunna bookmark that for the people that tell me to use different butane cause vector isn't "good enough"
Gear Tamasium Concentrate extractor?
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SD_haze
Well-Known Member
my name is erl
I know where your mama parks your house!
basically you answered my question, i wanted to know how long your oil sat in butane while the unit recovered the butane, and you said an hour. cool, too long for me.
i've smoked oil for 3 years so i am far from an oil hater, its the only thing i prefer, to be honest.
i've smoked oil for 3 years so i am far from an oil hater, its the only thing i prefer, to be honest.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
no sweat. am curious what your concerns of long exposure are based on? if there is an actual problem i would love to know. trying to follow your logic. seriously not trying to come off as rude, just don't understand where this concern is coming from. as QTS said, it's chemistry. don't want to live in ignorance myself, but if this concern is baseless i'd rather you didn't continue to live in fear. does that make sense? apologies if my tone seems aggressive as i have been accused of before. thanks again
and actually he also said as low as 20 min. (although he didn't clarify as to if that was under vacuum, as he has previously mentions he uses am guessing it is. and if you are making your own you should have a vac for purging anyway.) i've seen normal purges take just as long so i still don't see your concern. not shilling for the company or anything, just trying to keep the facts out there.
my name is erl
I know where your mama parks your house!
there is just no hard data. i was watching a 2 hour long panel by hightimes(yes i know it sucks and i agree) about the dangers of bho. that was brought up, and they didn't know if its bad long term. that is all. there was a doctor on the panel who is on the board of safety for cannabis on colorado, he seemed the smartest one. he suggested they all use n-butane and may force it soon. they brought up a few concerns, but there were no definitive answers.
my main concern is that it is my preferred method, and like i said, i dont want this to be the thing that drags me down. i'd rather it be doing a line off a chics nip(just kidding but you get my drift)
my main concern is that it is my preferred method, and like i said, i dont want this to be the thing that drags me down. i'd rather it be doing a line off a chics nip(just kidding but you get my drift)
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
thanks for the clarity, 'preciate it. everything is a risk and i don't fault you for your concerns. personally i alleviated them for myself a long time ago. i bet i could go thru your fridge/cupboards and find much more to concern you than vaping possible trace butane. iso and ethyl are both alcohols which do create poisons when heated too high. there are some concerns w/ butane under heat but it is by far considered the safest for consumption under heat. there are reasons it is the favored solvent for this type of concentrate. what do you use as a solvent, may i ask?
QuantumTimeSpace
Hashtronaut
Just for clarification, yes my recoveries are always done with some vacuum to help speed things along. The quickest I've noticed a recovery go was around 20 minutes, but usually average 30-40. I believe this has to do with the amount of extracts the run returned, the largest yields taking longer to purge the butane out of compared to those not resulting in as much.
my name is erl
I know where your mama parks your house!
i use butane just like you.
you guys are running 2 oz of material at a time? how much butane?
you guys are running 2 oz of material at a time? how much butane?
MarcellusWiley
Dab Trotter
normally 1 oz = 1 can so i'd assume 2 cans maybe a bit more just to be sure you are getting it all
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
i usually (3 runs so far) run about 45 grams and about 2 cans
QuantumTimeSpace
Hashtronaut
I run about as much as I can fit in the extractor, which varies depending on the plant material at hand. Anywhere from 45-70 grams. I also tend to keep the Tami's recovery tank topped off, roughly 4 cans of vector.
Side note: Doing a run for a neighbor of some low grade today, but tomorrow I'm gonna run 2 oz's of some incredible Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze nugs in preparation for Roger Waters on Friday! It'll be the second batch I've done with this herb, the first one tasted incredible and had over 18% return by weight.
Side note: Doing a run for a neighbor of some low grade today, but tomorrow I'm gonna run 2 oz's of some incredible Super Silver Sour Diesel Haze nugs in preparation for Roger Waters on Friday! It'll be the second batch I've done with this herb, the first one tasted incredible and had over 18% return by weight.
my name is erl
I know where your mama parks your house!
so 4 cans is what it will hold, whats your best return, and what was the product you used.
QuantumTimeSpace
Hashtronaut
Currently the best two batches came from the same cut of Sour D grown by 2 different neighbors last season. They were both over 23%, with a difference of only .25%.
Edit: Here's a pic
Edit: Here's a pic
my name is erl
I know where your mama parks your house!
ah, you post other places. i read that a few weeks ago. good looking stuff i must say man!
your neighborhood sounds amazing
your neighborhood sounds amazing
QuantumTimeSpace
Hashtronaut
There are indeed some caring and kind folks around these parts .
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Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
ok so i have been gone awhile. i have started doing sub-critical extractions
w/ both pressure and vacuum. here is some nice amber shatter i made from
some trim leaf.
gettin' my system down. two more runs and i think i'll be ready to run flower!
w/ both pressure and vacuum. here is some nice amber shatter i made from
some trim leaf.
gettin' my system down. two more runs and i think i'll be ready to run flower!
Puffers
Micro-Climate Mastermind
Hmmm does that mean u can get n-butane from air gas??? Thats good to know because my local hvac whole saler didnt stock it but i know some do. Although most wholesalers will only sell to contractors for those looking at that option. But given tge msds data on vector it doesnt seem to matter as i understand propane is a fairly good solvent itself.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
some nice shatter from some early harvest low quality flowers
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
so i picked up some limonene as i had seen it as a possible carrier solvent.
after doing a run and letting the remains sit for too long to scrape i decided to try it instead of my usual 99 iso. i had been hesitant as i had read that limo (easier from now on) has a high boiling point, really close to thc. i figured at worst i'd just leave it thin in a large pan and put it in a dark cupboard w/ a seedling mat w/ a thin filter layer protecting it from debris for a few days. completely unnecessary.
that stuff boiled off no prob. as to added citrus flavor, no harm there as this was a fruity strain to begin with. as to added potency, well i can't tell if it's the placebo effect, but a little seems to go a lot further than it should. got mine from gratefulbuys.com
was really surprised at the effectiveness and considering it's food grade, i don't see a downside.
after doing a run and letting the remains sit for too long to scrape i decided to try it instead of my usual 99 iso. i had been hesitant as i had read that limo (easier from now on) has a high boiling point, really close to thc. i figured at worst i'd just leave it thin in a large pan and put it in a dark cupboard w/ a seedling mat w/ a thin filter layer protecting it from debris for a few days. completely unnecessary.
that stuff boiled off no prob. as to added citrus flavor, no harm there as this was a fruity strain to begin with. as to added potency, well i can't tell if it's the placebo effect, but a little seems to go a lot further than it should. got mine from gratefulbuys.com
was really surprised at the effectiveness and considering it's food grade, i don't see a downside.
SD_haze
Well-Known Member
What I dont understand is those PureGold folks, where the hash oil is apparently 5% d-limonene by weight? Where they arent boiling it off I guess...
If you look up the materials safety data sheet on food-grade limonene, it says:
inhalation: may cause nose, throat, and respiratory tract irritation, coughing headache
Apparently pure orange essential oil is like, over 90% d-limonene by weight, and that stuff you're not even supposed to directly put on your skin.
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WatTyler
Revolting Peasant
I think the pure gold guys add it after refining the hash oil.
I think it is an irritant at high concentrations, but at low concentrations it just tastes nice.
Seems there haven't really been any study done on long term exposure by inhalation, according to the us epa: http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0682.htm
I think it is an irritant at high concentrations, but at low concentrations it just tastes nice.
Seems there haven't really been any study done on long term exposure by inhalation, according to the us epa: http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0682.htm
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
thanks for the responses guys. have put it directly on skin and had no adverse issues and i have fairly sensitive skin. hit it off a nail and in a cart and no irritant issue so far, either. will keep ya updated. can understand worries of some, but of all the things i've "smoked" over the years, this is pretty low on my list of concerns. unless good data hits about how this stuff is bad for you then i'll probably continue to use it. safer than iso and at least as safe, if not safer than eth, both of which turn into toxic sugars when heated. my two cents
SD_haze
Well-Known Member
Thinking about my experiences too,
There's no question in my mind that a dab of puregold compared to some random BHO from a dispensary feels 10x smoother with much less/no coughing... so that certainly helps debunk that issue.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
ditto, and thanks again, btw!I have a bottle of the d-limonene and have been hesitant to experiment with it. Please keep us informed Bob? Still love the "seed" atty btw . . .every time I see it I laugh.
how's that rezblock treating ya?
will keep ya posted. i didn't even vac purge this as it was late and my fiancee was asleep plus it is the clean-up from trim so this is definitely worst case scenario. haven't noticed any acridity in the omi cart, however a liiiiittle bit with the nail. the second hit with a different wax on the same nail yields a little left over orange flavor. also it buddered easily.