Discontinued Purple-Days Vaporizer

Purple-Days

Well-Known Member
Wat says, "I'm also not having a great deal of luck with other devices either at the moment,..." you might consider a cheapo voltmeter, no need for an expensive tradesman's unit, just to get a couple of Voltage readings around the house. The cheapest meter will give you adequate readings. Be sure to set it to the right units, and if you aren't familiar with one ask the hardware store, they will show you how to check the Voltage. Voltage controls temperature of a PD all other things held steady. Unregulated transformers have an output based on fixed ratio... ie 240V / 20 = 12V so 230V / 20 = 11.5V etc.

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Folks seem to like our shop photos, so
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A shop photo of this morning's work. Wrapping up a batch of heat exchangers. Some folks are too funny... :cool:
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Sleeves and Soap: All our metal parts are well washed and rinsed prior to assembly to remove any manufacturing oils .
 
Purple-Days,

Purple-Days

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Nice glass, an Erlenmeyer? ;) , always a favorite shape NYC. Daddy was a scientist, after all, so . . . :science:

One thing I notice, for me, leaving the loaded 'bowl', pre-heat a few seconds, in contact with the Heat Exchanger helps vapor production start sooner. While conduction vaping is frowned upon around here, there is some conduction vapor production between the SS bowl and the material, and preheating the bowl just starts things sooner, since the 'bowl' walls are 'pre-heated' when you do decide to draw. ;)
 
Purple-Days,

Ash

vaporist
Nycdeisel said:
Ok, so for some reason I was hitting my PD today and kept feeling a lot of heat. its possible that my unit is warmer since its now in the 80s most of the time around here, its also possible that I wasnt used to such large hits(I had been using my LB a lot lately), and I used my bong with it, but I wasnt really looking for more moisture, just some cooling down, so I hooked the regular stem up to my mini beaker, dry, with no water. it hits pretty well, preserves taste, and cools it down, no plastic tubing, no water. I bet a dry gong steamroller would work well in place of this.

I'm just getting caught up on the last few pages of the thread and had to comment on this one. My go-to setup for the past year has been to use my PD stem with an GONG ash-catcher mouthpiece (shaped like a pipe). In fact, DW named it Sherlock. It cools the vapor significantly vs using just the stock PD stem. It also creates a 90 degree angle for the stem so there is never any chance of any herb-bits falling into the H/E.

I have a 9" beaker, but I honestly never use it. It's too much fuss to fill and empty the water, it doesn't fit in my stash-box the way the glass mouthpiece does, and I get a better vapor/air ratio with the mouthpiece.

It surprises me that this setup isn't more popular (surely I can't be the only one!). Am I? :rolleyes:

If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about, here's a pic. I got mine from the local headshop for $15.
 
Ash,

jeffp

psychonaut/retired
I'm new to this realm but I like the Sherlock pipe look of the glass. What is an "ash catcher"?
I have a straight tube bong from SSFG which I love but I intend to diversify as I go along - bong vaping with the PD is a must to anyone not yet initiated.
Haven't tried it dry yet but I know what it feels like using a Clear Dome extended glass stem.
 
jeffp,

Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
jeffp said:
I'm new to this realm but I like the Sherlock pipe look of the glass. What is an "ash catcher"?

Jeff, this just shows that we're getting fucking old. Back in my day, we had bongs and only bongs. Usually plastic, sometimes one of my buddies would have a glass one... but nowadays, glass has gone hi-tech. Everything is GonG (Glass on Glass) and we have names for our bongs. We have tubes, beakers, bubblers, ash catchers (which is just a small glass water tool that diffuses the hit and removes any ash before it enters the main water utensil). I would just do a google image search and you'll see that they are small water filtrations pieces with GonG connections.

So by hooking up that Sherlock piece to an ash catcher, you've essentially created a bong, er....... "bubbler".
 
Stu,

Purple-Days

Well-Known Member
Ash, your pic didn't show up so I post it. Be back...

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Interesting indeed. We never try to profit from our association with other trusted suppliers and welcome their products for consideration in this PD thread. I look forward to suggesting their products... :cool:
 
Purple-Days,

Ash

vaporist
Jeff, just google 'ash catcher' and you'll see what I mean. It's basically just a pre-filter that adds a second chamber to your glass tube. I think if you've used one of Clear Dome's stems then you've basically had the same experience as using one of these mouthpieces, though it would depend on the length and total volume of the stem. I find that in addition to the cooling effect, the extra air volume in the mouthpiece makes the PD draw much more easily. I definitely don't have to pull as hard as when I use a naked stem.

**EDIT**
Thanks Tom!
 
Ash,

jeffp

psychonaut/retired
Ash said:
Jeff, just google 'ash catcher' and you'll see what I mean. It's basically just a pre-filter that adds a second chamber to your glass tube. I think if you've used one of Clear Dome's stems then you've basically had the same experience as using one of these mouthpieces, though it would depend on the length and total volume of the stem. I find that in addition to the cooling effect, the extra air volume in the mouthpiece makes the PD draw much more easily. I definitely don't have to pull as hard as when I use a naked stem.

**EDIT**
Thanks Tom!


I guess it's called "ash catcher" for smoking since there's no screen - that is logical.
Last night I vaped some weed that was not dry with the PD but it was done through the bong and I got some nice hits and flavor. Not quite as sharp and strong but it was nice.
I commented that I doubt we would have gotten much of anything without the bong since the weed hadn't yet been dried. I think that relates to what you're saying regarding the extra
air volume engendering more of a pull. Does that make sense?
 
jeffp,

Purple-Days

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I'm not sure of that, Jeff. Not saying it's wrong or there is no effect.... Bernoulli or somebody says that the minimum diameter determines all other flow rates??? I don't know, get a fluid dynamics guy, but I think a LAW in big letters applies. Who knows? Does it just apply to fluids...?

Nobody believes me... ;) Something about canting two dis-similar tube sizes for a better seal?
We will see it someday says, NostroDaymus. :cool:
 
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Purple-Days

Well-Known Member
Oh, sorry, Alex, we have not started formal tests... wood vs. wood tests, in stable, replicable conditions. When I show a graph, I will try to explain the results in text for those that use a reader. Thanks for the reminder.

Tests of any significance will require a test stand. Holding the Unit and test equipment at repeatable heights and angles. Not a high priority right now. I was right about (my guess) of 'Coozie Effect'. And think I am nearly as right about wood density effect (though tests are yet to prove that)...
 
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alexwallis

Well-Known Member
Hi Tom,
many thanks for that, I am looking forward to seeing the results, when you do get started with the tests, though of course I totally understand its not your biggest priority.
I wonder what the densest wood is that you could make a pd out of, that would provide the hottest temperature.
 
alexwallis,

Ash

vaporist
Jeff, I think the mechanism at work here is that the extra air volume acts as a sort of cushion or buffer. It allows you to draw more air before you create a vacuum, engaging the "milkshake effect". With just the stock stem you hit that point almost immediately. With the mouthpiece or a bong you hit that point a bit later. I think you can simulate this with the stock stem by taking a few "choo-choo" puffs before taking your full hit. So, I don't think it has anything to do with flow rate, per-se. Of course, I was a liberal arts major, so this sciency stuff is is not exactly my area of expertise.
 
Ash,

alexwallis

Well-Known Member
Hey all,
I am a bit vaked, had two stems.
I thought I would share with you an interesting thing I have found you can use the pd for.

after my second stem, I put the pd on the ground, and sat in the chair with my socks off.
I then realised my feet were getting cold, so I wrapped them round the pd and its now acting as a foot warmer.
it also feels really good if you put your foot on top of the pd near the heat exchanger hole, but obviously don't get toes near the exchanger, ouch.
I have never done that, but I should imagine it would be very painful.
 
alexwallis,

Milk

Mike
I think the lightest or least dense would would make for the most insulated..

not sure though. I would be interested in seeing how small (while still stable on a desk or table) a PD could be made.
 
Milk,

alexwallis

Well-Known Member
I think its the other way around isn't it? The wood has to be dense.
as the lighter and less dense the wood is, the more heat it will lose, at least I think that's right, guess we need Toms input.
 
alexwallis,

Purple-Days

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Alex, the wooden body of the PD is an insulator. By insulating the migration of heat away from the Heat Exchanger it helps maintain the temperature equilibrium of the HE. In some ways the wooden body also acts as a heat sink absorbing some of the heat.

We set our optimum diameter and height at an American 12 oz. Soda or Beer can. About 2-5/8" across and 4-5/8" high. With that as a non-varying standard, and other variables held steady, wood density becomes the controlling factor.

Wood density varies, from Balsa to Lignum Vitae and maybe others on the outside of those extremes that I'm not aware of. Woods also vary in density from one tree to another and one part of the tree to another... ie. wood of any species is not homogeneous. One piece of Cherry may be more dense than another, same for any other species.

Given those qualifications, I can make some generalizations, that may not hold true for every single piece of wood in a species. But, will work, as general guidelines, based on a lot of woodworking experience and a lot of PDs made with a lot of woods...

Lighter (weight) woods are more "air filled", ie. have more empty space. You can crush Balsa, you can dent Douglas Fir, you can ding Cherry, you can try to harm Lignum Vitae, but good luck. That sorta gives you an idea of the range of hardness associated with the density too, but hardness can be associated with other factors. ie. hardness doesn't equal density in all cases...

So back to insulation... Given that wood is wood is wood, it's all basically made of the same cellulose, packed tight or loose (yes, that's an over simplification). Tightly packed insulation is not as efficient as loose material. So in general lighter woods are better insulators, resulting in higher HE temps, to a point.

At some point though, you realize that Balsa isn't going to make a very durable unit, and Lignum Vitae isn't a good enough insulator. Goldilocks syndrome. One's too soft, one is too hard. Too light, too heavy.

You need something that's 'just right...', or nearly so. We have always believed this meant Hardwoods. Softwoods as a category are out of the question. We have never used them.

Hardwoods then present the 'too dense' problem. The coolest temperature vapes I have ever made were Macasar Ebony and Pink Ivory. "Those were the days" as they say. Pammy still uses those prototypes for aromatherapy, but we consider them too dense and cool for other uses. You get vapor but it's not satisfying and wasn't something we wanted for our customers.

We also wanted to know exactly where our woods come from and don't want to promote 'poaching' of exotic native species, or the exploitation of native peoples. Thus, North American Hardwoods are our primary focus. American Cherry and Black Walnut from the Appalachian Mts. and Oregon Myrtle. All Kiln Dried (KD).

We have since found a very good supplier of exotics that has very strict standards.
The FSC (Forest Stewardship Council : http://www.fsc.org/ ) logo next to a buyer for our supplier of exotics.
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In the Beginning of 2008 I needed a 'house' wood. American Cherry was it, proto types were developed on a borrowed lathe in Myrtle and Western Maple

I wanted a consistent source of Kiln Dried lumber, I had worked with a lot of Cherry, it's easily available in the dimensions I needed. And just a bit lighter weight than Myrtle. Black Walnut is a bit harder than Cherry but about the same density on average.

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Got orders through 5-05 out (except a couple that missed the boat...) so hitting about 5 weeks in most cases (this week), but that can go from 4-6 weeks as we predict. Life can throw you a curve or two, or you might get clear sailing so we do our best and whittle away at it.
 
Purple-Days,

MajorDoobage

Stationary Traveler
Great explanation Tom! I got really excited when I saw your update on orders, mine can't be too far behind :D! The wait has been MUCH harder than I expected, but I'm sure it'll be worth it.
 
MajorDoobage,

alexwallis

Well-Known Member
Hi Tom,
thanks for the really detailed explanation, it was most informative.
So is there now a list of exotics that you are prepared to supply if people want to get something out of the ordinary?

I tried asking you on forum, and Pammy a few weeks back by e mail, would palm wood be any good for making a PD? as I love how smooth the wood is.
 
alexwallis,

Pammy-Days

Lovely Assistant
Hey alexwallis,

I'm sorry but I never got that email, or I would have answered it :( Tom said when he got a chance to he would answer your question.

On another point... unfortunately Yahoo Mail is acting up today :lol: so I'm not sure how many if any emails I'll be able to answer today. :/ Hope they get it up and running smooth soon.

Have a good day all! :peace:
 
Pammy-Days,

alexwallis

Well-Known Member
OK, no worries Pammy,
I thought you hadn't received my e mail, as you have always replied promptly.

A random question that just occurred to me, but what would happen if you didn't buz butter the PD?
does the butter simply make it look nice, or does it also help to preserve the wood, and stop it shrinking, cracking etc with the heat?
I love buttering my PD, so wouldn't stop, but am just curious about what the consequences
of not buttering it would be.
 
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