Discontinued ThermoVape Evolution

nowonknows

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I'm very sorry to hear you're not happy. For sure such is the exception. It is far harder and very dangerous to screen the customer names to decide who to take care of and who to hang out to dry. The chance of someone who knows such an abused customer and speaking up in the customer's behalf (exposing the company) is too real for a thinking company to consider such a policy I think.

It's very unfortunate you'll be missing out on some great products.

I also understand (or at least have experienced) the distrust of sales types for service guys. Sales often takes the heat for service screw ups, I've been there. I'm sorry that that too seems to be tainting this. Please don't press me for my opinion of sales types?

Thanks and best wises on your next vape. There are some other excellent offerings out there.

OF

Mate, I agree with you, it is all to common for the sales people to lie in order to cover up fuckups, I use to do the same as instructed when starting out in the game. Fact is people make mistakes, if you are honnest with what has happened when things go wrong customers take it a lot better, trust is built and you know they will be back.
 

jambandphan03

in flavor country
I noticed there is a rhythm to the inhale. If I am careful to make sure it's well heated up, battery and load is fresh, then I usually get good vapor no problem. If I go at it just a little too early, it seems to prevent the coil from reaching maximum heat and I don't get as good of a hit. If I use the batteries up just a little too much, it gets pretty darn hot, but not up to vapor temps, so it fools me. There is definitely a middle ground with the Evo. I try to count out my seconds, if I can remember to, once the switch is pushed, and allow a couple of extra seconds just to be sure it's good and hot. I also noticed that once the entire unit starts to feel hot, I don't seem to get as good of hits. I don't know if the battery is effected by the heat, or if it just gets too hot to keep my fingers on the switch, but once it gets that hot, I usually let it cool down and try again in a few minutes. I also like to switch batteries pretty often (when I am home) I chain vaped at least 7-8 hits on this before it starts to taste completely done (about half a bowl load) I don't know if this matches up with anyone else's experience, but this has been my observation.

With the 3.7v, it seems to produce better if I go really slow, and let it heat up extra long. Softer, gentler pulls until the vapor really kicks in, then I will draw harder, making a slight whistle sound.

With the 6v, it seems to heat up much quicker, so once I start to notice vapor, I pull a bit harder, and it's not nearly as gentle as the 3.7.

The Evo definitely requires a bit of patience until you get the swing of it.

** It seems those 18350 batteries pack a punch for such a small package. I have been getting really good vapor from my lil'chuck. I am surprised to say the least... That sabor mini just wasn't performing right, so all my earlier tests were pointless.
 
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OF

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Mate, I agree with you, it is all to common for the sales people to lie in order to cover up fuckups, I use to do the same as instructed when starting out in the game. Fact is people make mistakes, if you are honnest with what has happened when things go wrong customers take it a lot better, trust is built and you know they will be back.

Actually I wasn't really thinking of that, I was coming from a working life largely filled with trying to cover some salesman or another's unrealistic promise to a customer. I fully appreciate what has to be done to get a sale sometimes, Lord knows it's been explained to me enough. We all have our crosses to bear sometimes, which is why they call it work and pay us to do it.

I remain sorry you've had a disappointing experience. It is, IMO, a great product line. Very robust, well performing and near perfect quality. And now, having read some of the details, I see it's a highly exceptional order with exacting and changing conditions. Confused me just reading it. It's entirely possible, don't you think, that you were a 'first ever' shipment of this type? IMO it's small wonder that so few vendors will do international shipments these days. Trust me it's definitely not easy the other way about. I can regale you with horror stories buying stuff from the UK sometime over a few beers.......

Best of luck with your next vape.

OF
 
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jambandphan03

in flavor country
:clap: Just want to say how much I like the new BLACK EVO units!! They look slick!! But where did they go? I went to the site and the link no longer works... I didn't just imagine that did I ?? vapor day dreaming??
 
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bazzles

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Sat down for a morning bowl with the Evo and a dab from the DART, I quiet like the convenience. I still dont get much visible vapor, but I guess I was a little demanding of such a portable unit. I need to hone my Evo technique more I think and I will start getting better vapor but I am quiet enjoying this flavor. I have some pretty decent bubble should I try that or go ahead and wait till I get where I want with herb?
 
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2clicker

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:clap: Just want to say how much I like the new BLACK EVO units!! They look slick!! But where did they go? I went to the site and the link no longer works... I didn't just imagine that did I ?? vapor day dreaming??

i check in and now there is a black version? and it was available online, but now its not?

cant wait to see it. will def be purchasing the black sleeve once its available alone. was going to go the heat shrink route, but now ill just wait for the black sleeve.

one other improvement i would love to see would be having orings on the outside of the sleeve. basically turning the Evo sleeve into the water adapter. i know it already works that way, but it can be a little tricky getting a good seal with it as is. it works, but could be better IMO and would be a nice update.

oh and im waiting on my LV Dart kit to get here as i type this. should be here within the next few hours. better make sure my 17670s are ready to go. :brow:

id also like to say that its really impressive how TV takes our feedback and puts it to use... and all within a very quick time frame.
 
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OF

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Sat down for a morning bowl with the Evo and a dab from the DART, I quiet like the convenience. I still dont get much visible vapor, but I guess I was a little demanding of such a portable unit. I need to hone my Evo technique more I think and I will start getting better vapor but I am quiet enjoying this flavor. I have some pretty decent bubble should I try that or go ahead and wait till I get where I want with herb?

First off, two great, but very different products. I'm sure you'll grow to like them more as you get to know them better.

Evolution is different enough I think from other vapes that many guys start out the wrong direction and don't recover. Several tips were given me by the factory guys that helped me along. Key amongst them is to load it full but loose. I know a lot of guys talk glowingly of partial loads, and I've done them, but I think the designers of the machine know their stuff and the recommendation is a good one. I recommend full bowls and no stirring until you get the machine mastered. Another very important point is to build up plenty of heat in the core. Us it like other vapes and you're sure to get sub standard performance. If at all in doubt, let it run a while longer and try again.

I suggest 3 separate steps. First, key it on and let it run 15 or 20 seconds. You can watch the heater through the empty bowl. Fire it up and see how long it takes to get to 'full brightness', then add five more seconds and start there. Don't pull any air in this first step.

Second step, long, steady medium speed draw to transfer the heat up to the bowl. The sort of draw that takes half a minute or so to fill your lungs completely. Taste as you go, puff a bit out for 'test puffs' (another great tip from Tim) if you need to to figure out when vapor starts. Then blow it all out again.

Now, and only now, take your hit. Don't be shy, honk on it if you've a mood to and see what it does. If the bowl is fully warmed up and the core is still holding a lot of heat for you to tap off you'd be amazed at what can come out of this little guy.

But don't cheat those steps. If, for instance, you don't get a 'test puff' to show success in a reasonable time, go back to step one and let it cook a bit more to reheat the core before taking another shot. Likewise, don't accept the lame stuff from heat up as a hit. At least not yet, until you learn the machine.

Yes, this will give you less hits per charge, but they will be real hits. You can do the same later on less battery (more hits total) later as your skills grow, but try to cut it too close early on and you're working against yourself.

The bubble advice is not easy. Around here, good bubble is little more than top shelf bud, no big deal to get more. But even here I'd suggest a guy learn on herb anyway, it calls for tighter technique.

Good luck, stay sharp, the machine wants to teach you all sorts of wonderful things and will if you treat it right.

OF
 

jambandphan03

in flavor country
good explanation OF, I have been blowing clouds off both 3.7v and 6v Evos, so I know it should be working for other people. I think the biggest mistake must be hitting it too soon. I use the 1 mississippi 2 mississippi etc... count and go about 15-20 seconds on the initial warm up, and get great hits. Slow and steady pull until I feel the vapor, then I amp it up to a stronger pull. I hope to see more posts about people getting the hang of this. I will admit the first few days were frustrating, I wasn't working with the TV batteries, and I wasn't getting very good results, but I kept trying to follow the basic guidelines and it all fell into the groove at some point after getting the kit.
 
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jambandphan03

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This is kinda spooky. Any serious supply (other than schemes like TV uses) should sure tolerate a short better than blowing up......

I don't know this unit, nor know what a PT is, do you have a link?

OF


PT=passthrough and after talking to the maker, he thinks there was something wrong with it to start (I bought it used), and is building me a new one, full size so I can use my 18650, 17670, or the 3.0v as well as the passthrough. I'm still loving the TV battery, though, it's working great.
 

OF

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good explanation OF, I have been blowing clouds off both 3.7v and 6v Evos, so I know it should be working for other people. I think the biggest mistake must be hitting it too soon. I use the 1 mississippi 2 mississippi etc... count and go about 15-20 seconds on the initial warm up, and get great hits. Slow and steady pull until I feel the vapor, then I amp it up to a stronger pull. I hope to see more posts about people getting the hang of this. I will admit the first few days were frustrating, I wasn't working with the TV batteries, and I wasn't getting very good results, but I kept trying to follow the basic guidelines and it all fell into the groove at some point after getting the kit.

Thanks, Jam. I think you're absolutely right. Most guys (and let's face it we never read manuals or ask directions.....) wade right in with skills from other vapes. Treat it like say MFLB and you're screwed.

The real secret is the true convection mode with the heat core feeding it. This guy (and T1) have to store energy before it's needed. Try to draw it as it heats and you can't get enough energy fast enough (it cools as fast as it heats). Something like trying to start your car off the line by putting it in gear and cranking it up. It might actually work, sort of. But much better to have the motor going faster than needs be and using energy stored in the flywheel to pull you up to speed, not make the motor push the car as it's trying to start. The gas you use to get off the line you actually burned before you dropped the clutch and punched it, right? Same idea.

The heat core itself is a little work of art, IMO. No, a work of science, or engineering. It's very hot in there, much higher in degrees than we need. The extra heat (above about 400 F) is stored energy we can tap in a heartbeat when we need it. Just as important is the point this heat is flying all around the core, hot surfaces are emitting Infrared Radiation as fast as they can (they're also taking on heat at the same rate and 'have to do something with it...fast'). It's this IR that does the work, not actually air hitting hot metal (which would only heat the molecules that actually touch). The mechanics are designed so the air has no 'straight shot' path through the core but swirls around such that each molecule spends near the average time in the oven. Therefore it comes out at a uniform temperature to the load, helped by the thermal mass of the floor plate (which you'll note is thicker than it needs to be for this reason, IIRC it's called a homogenizer in this function?).

Anyway, neat little guy. Lots of very subtile but clever design aspects go into it's outstanding performance.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! I JUST missed it!! :/

Call or email them, it can be corrected, no big deal. But if it hasn't shipped it's better to do it now?


PT=passthrough and after talking to the maker, he thinks there was something wrong with it to start (I bought it used), and is building me a new one, full size so I can use my 18650, 17670, or the 3.0v as well as the passthrough. I'm still loving the TV battery, though, it's working great.

OK, thanks, that makes sense. I was hung on PA from MFLB lingo?

I agree, the TV supply is just the ticket to drive this guy with.....almost like they worked that part out too....go figure?

OF
 

niceone

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Call or email them, it can be corrected, no big deal. But if it hasn't shipped it's better to do it now?

it has... boo hoo...

but i e-mailed anyway to see if the parts can be switched out or if i can exchange.
 
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jambandphan03

in flavor country
So just putting 2 and 2 together, I am guessing the black evo was not officially released by TV yet, and that was why it got pulled??:cool:


Something else I've observed recently... I don't think I was putting the white cap on as far down as I was supposed to, it fit snug, but still had a lot of "head room" inside above the bowl and a good portion of my load would pull up to the top, away from the heat. It wasn't until today that I was putting the cap on, and pushed a little harder than usual, and got it to go down another 1/4- 1/2 inch, so that could possibly be a factor in fouling up other people's experience maybe?? The O ring makes it possible to not push the cap all the way down, if you have it up too high on the heat chamber. I have mine rolled down to the last groove before the threads. Now that I have the hang of this thing, I have been loading full bowls too.
 
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It seems the general consensus for the Evo 6v is around 1/3 more usage per charge than the T1, equalling approximately 12-14 pulls depending on the user. Early estimates for the Evo 3.7v were 50+. How many pulls per charge are the early adopters getting? Such an extraordinary number seems almost too good to be true. Thanks in advance for the field testing!
 
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jambandphan03

in flavor country
I can get about 20 pulls or so on 3.7v so far that I've paid attention, about 2 loads per battery change. I take long slow drags on 3.7v.
 
jambandphan03,

ThermoVape

Vaporizer Manufacturer
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So just putting 2 and 2 together, I am guessing the black evo was not officially released by TV yet, and that was why it got pulled??:cool:


We like to think we do a pretty good job building vaporizers... however building websites is a whole other story. the Black Evolution got brought "live" while the product page was under construction.

Our goal is not to release any products until we have everything set up to get the units to the customers, i.e web page, packaging, etc.

That said the whole team is here working on putting the following items on the website:

Black Evolution Full Kits in Standard and Low Voltage - with new insulated interface

White Evolution Full Kits in Standard and Low Voltage - with new insulated interface

Black & White T1 Base Unit with Insulated Interface

Black & White T1 Base Unit with Rounded Interface (better for liquids, i.e Revolutions and AVA Atomizers)

Black & White T1 Main Body with Delrin Insulator and Battery Sleeve

Black & White T1 Main Body with Delrin Insulator

Evolution Black & White PTFE Insulating Cover

Evolution Insulated Interface with switch assembly (this is a unique part, as the delrin insulator houses our top threaded interface. This allows this interface to be used with our RES tank systems, and ay future tank system we develop).

ThermoVape T1 Black & White Insulated Interfaces with switch assembly

ThermoVape T1 Black & White Insulated Top Caps

Battery Sleeves

17670 AW Protected Li-Ion 3.7V Rechargeable batteries

14500 AW LiMn 3.7V Rechargeable batteries

10440 IMR Rechargeable batteries

Evoltuoon Cores

Revolution Cores

DART

DART for Window Revolution

Replacement Switches

0-Ring Pack (one of every possible O-Ring we use on the ThermoVape Family of Products)



Basically our goal is to provide you guys with access to each and every component we make so you can "choose your own adventure."

We feel this adds value to our product line as it provides the option to allow people to customize, accessories, and build their vaporizer exactly how they want it.

NOTE: If any owners of an Evolution Kit, would rather have the insulted interface rather than the rounded interface just let use know. We will exchange them, free of charge (the rounded interface is better if you also use it for cartridges such as our Revolution, or AVA atomizer as the built in fluid well prevents leaking).

Email info@thermovape with your order number and Evolution Insulated Interface in the subject line. We will ship you the insulate interface an a return envelope for the rounded interface to send back to us.

Here is a few shots of the new Insulated Interface:

DSC_0049-1.jpg


ThermoVapeparts_-139-1.jpg

With the Delrin Insulating Piece Removed the top threaded interface is visible. This interface allows for attachment of our RES liquid tank system and will be utilized in future tank systems.

We really hope you guys like having access to all the parts, components and accessories that we manufacture. Let us know what you think!

Cheers,

ThermoVape
 

Peloton

Vapes Hard
We really ope you guys like having access to all the components and accessories that we manufacture. Let us know what you think!

Cheers,

ThermoVape

This announcement tickles me! I LOVE the modularity of the ThermoVape system - happy to see the rapid product development and expansion isn't slowing down either :tup: Those insulated interfaces look SO much better with the EVOs, too. Kudos to you guys.
 
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OF

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it has... boo hoo...

but i e-mailed anyway to see if the parts can be switched out or if i can exchange.

Give ya dollars to doughnuts they do right by you......

Not to worry, enjoy the machine it's mighty cool.

Something else I've observed recently... I don't think I was putting the white cap on as far down as I was supposed to, it fit snug, but still had a lot of "head room" inside above the bowl and a good portion of my load would pull up to the top, away from the heat. It wasn't until today that I was putting the cap on, and pushed a little harder than usual, and got it to go down another 1/4- 1/2 inch, so that could possibly be a factor in fouling up other people's experience maybe?? The O ring makes it possible to not push the cap all the way down, if you have it up too high on the heat chamber. I have mine rolled down to the last groove before the threads. Now that I have the hang of this thing, I have been loading full bowls too.

Thanks very much for clearing that up JAM, it's been in the back of my mind trying to figure how your experience could be so repeatable but different.

It seems the general consensus for the Evo 6v is around 1/3 more usage per charge than the T1, equalling approximately 12-14 pulls depending on the user. Early estimates for the Evo 3.7v were 50+. How many pulls per charge are the early adopters getting? Such an extraordinary number seems almost too good to be true. Thanks in advance for the field testing!


We have been round and round with this. 20 and 30 are probably good ballpark numbers for Standard and LV versions respectively. The 50 number came from using a prototype at TV, testing it at the same time. The supply we can get (uses a 17670 battery) is good for maybe 30, although it varies a whole lot with the guy driving it and his technique.

OF
 
OF,

ThermoVape

Vaporizer Manufacturer
Manufacturer
This announcement tickles me! I LOVE the modularity of the ThermoVape system - happy to see the rapid product development and expansion isn't slowing down either :tup: Those insulated interfaces look SO much better with the EVOs, too. Kudos to you guys.

Thank you! We think it looks pretty good too :D

DSC_0025-3.jpg


Cheers,

ThermoVape
 

ThermoVape

Vaporizer Manufacturer
Manufacturer
it has... boo hoo...

but i e-mailed anyway to see if the parts can be switched out or if i can exchange.

We will switch or exchange. Just email or call us. We will take care of you.

Cheers,

ThermoVape
 
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VAPORIZER22

Well-Known Member
Bit confused, what advantages does the insulated interface have over the one that came with my Rev?

Thanks
 
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Peloton

Vapes Hard
Here is a few shots of the new Insulated Interface:

DSC_0049-1.jpg


ThermoVapeparts_-139-1.jpg

With the Delrin Insulating Piece Removed the top threaded interface is visible. This interface allows for attachment of our RES liquid tank system and will be utilized in future tank systems.

We really hope you guys like having access to all the parts, components and accessories that we manufacture. Let us know what you think!

Cheers,

ThermoVape


I do have a question, what are those holes machined into the face for? I don't have them on my RES interface.
 
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OF

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I do have a question, what are those holes machined into the face for? I don't have them on my RES interface.

The 3 steel pins fit into them so you can unscrew the unit from the tube.

OF
 
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