VapeNStone
Mark
IMHO no. The DBV hits bigger and tastes better.
Seek
Apprentice Daydreamer
Purpleness: Elbow packs can provide fat tasty hits, but it needs stirring as the SSV, but it's uncomparably harder to stir an elbow pack than a SSV bowl. Cyclone bowl is easily striable, but doesn't hit good. IMO EQ glass should be made better. It's more simple, than efficient.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Interesting. I'm also one of the minority who does not elbow pack - at the end of a whip it just adds too much drag for me. (Btw, many if not most who elbow pack raise the temp by ~10C to compensate for the herb being a little farther from the heat source.)
I use a similar method to yours. Essentially I pull like with a cigar, short puffs which pull up the vapor and stir the herb until my bubbler is filled with vapor. I inhale all that but don't clear, and after exhale resume the puffing. I don't clear until after several of these short-puff/long pulls because that requires on the next pull to again displace all the air in the whip and bubbler; I keep the air out and the entire path to my mouth filled with vapor. Plenty thick, less work, I do just need to be just a bit careful not to pull too fast/hard or the elbow screen gets clogged. fwiw.
I don't like the elbow pack either. You don't need to turn up the heat to make your technique work. I do pretty much the same thing but I start at 160°C and hardly ever go above 190°C. Higher temperatures spoil the taste and use up your load faster.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Same here with the heat. I stay in the 170-190C range except maybe if I want some extra CBD's like for going to sleep.
As a side note, I discovered another benefit of this range: Better ABV. With the lower temps there is more residual THC and still plenty of CBD's, even after vaping thoroughly. I'm making a vanilla/banana smoothie these days with ~3/4 tsp of powdered ABV and it's like a 5-6 hour muscle relaxer. Great medicine.
likevaping
Well-Known Member
I got chest pains when i use my six months old extreme q vaporizer! Is my unit defective??!! Because when i use my iolite or MFLB no PAINS ANYMORE. And NO heater cover is not broken on my extreme q! Doctor says that EKG and x-chest ray looks fine with no problems at all. So my extreme q vaporizer cause me PAINS???? Cause me chest and back pains! I cant believe! Anybody here with same problem? What about warranty for my extreme q???
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
It is very difficult to respond to your message. You provide very little information. And of course we are not doctors. But I'd like to be of help if I can though. I'm aware of a couple physical conditions which can be aggravated by using a vaporizer.
How are you using the Q? Whip? Bag? What temperature? Exactly what are you doing the moment you feel the pain? And what exactly does the pain feel like? How long does it last?
likevaping
Well-Known Member
I use extreme only with bag at temperature 170-175 celsius, also i clean my extreme with alcohol very often. Sorry for my english im from Slovenia. I cough from vapor and feel pain in my chest when high started
My weed is outdoor grow with no chemicals at all ( even no fertilizer ) and weed is water cured! I feel no pains when vape with iolite or MFLB. My doctor says is just costochondritis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costochondritis. Doctor do EKG and with heart everything looks great, im very active person ( i run about 5-8 km per day ), 27 years old male, i eat very healthy, im no overweight, also doctor do blood work and my blood is perfect. I also no experience other symptoms but only pains in my chest when i vape with extreme q - symptoms seems to disappear in 1-2 days when i stop vaping with extreme( doctor says if there be something else wrong with my lungs i was experience some other symptoms like fever, constant cough and maybe also blood from my lungs, but i experience only pains! and can run 10 km without problems 
Strange thing...because i feel pains ONLY with extreme q. Maybe combustion problem ??? or something bad inside my extreme? Or only anxiety? But why i dont experience same symptoms from iolite and MFLB if is just anxiety?
My weed is outdoor grow with no chemicals at all ( even no fertilizer ) and weed is water cured! I feel no pains when vape with iolite or MFLB. My doctor says is just costochondritis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costochondritis. Doctor do EKG and with heart everything looks great, im very active person ( i run about 5-8 km per day ), 27 years old male, i eat very healthy, im no overweight, also doctor do blood work and my blood is perfect. I also no experience other symptoms but only pains in my chest when i vape with extreme q - symptoms seems to disappear in 1-2 days when i stop vaping with extreme( doctor says if there be something else wrong with my lungs i was experience some other symptoms like fever, constant cough and maybe also blood from my lungs, but i experience only pains! and can run 10 km without problems Strange thing...because i feel pains ONLY with extreme q. Maybe combustion problem ??? or something bad inside my extreme? Or only anxiety? But why i dont experience same symptoms from iolite and MFLB if is just anxiety?
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
@likevaping -
I really hesitate to speculate - I am not qualified to do that. So please take the following with that very large caveat:
Costochondritis can result from physical strain. I notice that you are physically active. Perhaps without realizing it you strained the cartilage or a muscle or a ligament in your chest? If so then when inhaling you could be expanding or moving your chest in a way that puts pressure on or causes the strained cartilage to move. Or you inhale enough to make yourself cough (the THC in herb naturally causes a cough reflex), which makes your rib cage expand and contract rapidly. What I'm trying to describe is similar to what happens when you crack a rib or hurt your lower back or even strain a muscle in your rib cage - at rest you might not even feel it, but if you turn or move in a particular way - or take a deep breath or worse yet cough - there can be a very sharp pain. And the reason it might happen with the Q but not the MFLB could be as simple as different posture or different inhalation.
Your doctor checked you for a cardiac problem which indicates that the pain you described to the doctor sounded similar to the pain of angina. There are a number of internal disorders which, like the above muscular strains, can mimic the symptoms of angina, and in fact many people go to the ER mistakenly thinking they are having a heart attack from these; one that is rather common is acid reflux. Inhaling a bag could aggravate a reflux condition, for example, if the reflux has really irritated your esophagus.
Something else that comes to mind is that herb commonly causes tachycardia. If you are coming on to the herb and you already have some anxiety - and from your message it does sound like you have a lot of worry about this - that might result in your chest tightening, and that could be painful - especially if you've already strained your rib cage somehow.
Good to keep in mind that stress aggravates a lot of conditions; e.g., it tightens the muscles making a chest or back strain worse, and with reflux it causes the body to generate more acid, or it can make herb negative side-effects a lot stronger. The mind is very powerful, and anxiety can take on a life of its own.
About the Q, I find it hard to imagine how the unit could be the root of the problem. If you were getting combustion, you would know it for sure. And besides, if that were having an effect you would feel it as irritation in your bronchi or lungs, not as angina-like pain unless you have severe asthma or COPD. Your questions about something bad inside the Q, the warranty, etc. do suggest a lot of anxiety about the unit itself.
So just my - personally, I would just hold off the Q for a good while and let myself heal.
Good luck.
I really hesitate to speculate - I am not qualified to do that. So please take the following with that very large caveat:
Costochondritis can result from physical strain. I notice that you are physically active. Perhaps without realizing it you strained the cartilage or a muscle or a ligament in your chest? If so then when inhaling you could be expanding or moving your chest in a way that puts pressure on or causes the strained cartilage to move. Or you inhale enough to make yourself cough (the THC in herb naturally causes a cough reflex), which makes your rib cage expand and contract rapidly. What I'm trying to describe is similar to what happens when you crack a rib or hurt your lower back or even strain a muscle in your rib cage - at rest you might not even feel it, but if you turn or move in a particular way - or take a deep breath or worse yet cough - there can be a very sharp pain. And the reason it might happen with the Q but not the MFLB could be as simple as different posture or different inhalation.
Your doctor checked you for a cardiac problem which indicates that the pain you described to the doctor sounded similar to the pain of angina. There are a number of internal disorders which, like the above muscular strains, can mimic the symptoms of angina, and in fact many people go to the ER mistakenly thinking they are having a heart attack from these; one that is rather common is acid reflux. Inhaling a bag could aggravate a reflux condition, for example, if the reflux has really irritated your esophagus.
Something else that comes to mind is that herb commonly causes tachycardia. If you are coming on to the herb and you already have some anxiety - and from your message it does sound like you have a lot of worry about this - that might result in your chest tightening, and that could be painful - especially if you've already strained your rib cage somehow.
Good to keep in mind that stress aggravates a lot of conditions; e.g., it tightens the muscles making a chest or back strain worse, and with reflux it causes the body to generate more acid, or it can make herb negative side-effects a lot stronger. The mind is very powerful, and anxiety can take on a life of its own.
About the Q, I find it hard to imagine how the unit could be the root of the problem. If you were getting combustion, you would know it for sure. And besides, if that were having an effect you would feel it as irritation in your bronchi or lungs, not as angina-like pain unless you have severe asthma or COPD. Your questions about something bad inside the Q, the warranty, etc. do suggest a lot of anxiety about the unit itself.
So just my
- personally, I would just hold off the Q for a good while and let myself heal.Good luck.
likevaping
Well-Known Member
I dont have asthma or COPD. I can run 10km without problems and i can breath normal without any pains so no asthma or COPD. Also i dont have tachycardia i have normal pulse when im on weed (70 beats per minute ). Last times im under a lot of stress ( school and so on ) also i have anxiety, but with iolite vaporizer and MFLB vaporizer i have got NO pains, just with extreme q. Maybe whip can help for that problem what do you think? Maybe bag is the cause becuase of hard pulling from that bag? ( bag is somehow huge ). Maybe i aggravate costochronditis somehow with that huge bag? and also with a lot of stress because of my pains. Today i use just iolite and i have no pains. So i doubt that cause for my pains is anxiety. I will try to use just iolite and MFLB for a week and i will see if pains disappear. Yes and when i got pains my ribs are somehow painful when i put pressure with finger on some spot on my ribs and also i got pains if i move and when i dont move no pains Maybe really is just costochronditis aggravated with extreme q bag? Is that possible? My doctor say that is costochronditis, but who knows
AND YES i vomit one time when i use extreme q bag???? a lot of vomiting really, is that bag cause of acid reflux? and that is the cause of my pains?
Maybe really is just costochronditis aggravated with extreme q bag? Is that possible? My doctor say that is costochronditis, but who knowsAND YES i vomit one time when i use extreme q bag???? a lot of vomiting really, is that bag cause of acid reflux? and that is the cause of my pains?
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
@likevaping -
It seems to me that your doctor's diagnosis of costochronditis is reasonable. There is what is sometimes called the "large body muscle" which basically encloses your rib cage and diaphragm (it is not literally all muscle, it also consists of cartilage, etc.). It's not all that uncommon to bruise or strain an area. If you cough or turn wrong or lift a weight, anything like this, it can hurt like hell. And it can take a very long time for an injury like this to heal - easily months.
About the anxiety: You said it yourself, you have a lot of stress because of the pains. You are worried; that comes through in your posts. Anxiety produces stress which produces pain which produces anxiety which produces stress which . . . you get the picture. IMO the first thing you need to do is accept the doctor's diagnosis, take it easy on yourself, and just settle in for the long wait until you heal.
Finally, while I would just put the Q aside for the time being, if you want to still use it IMO you should definitely switch to the whip with the cyclone bowl (not elbow-pack). And do not hit it hard. If you vomited using the bag, which you say is "huge", that suggests you are over-doing something - too much vapor, too fast, too deep, too much of something. This is what is most different compared to your iolite or MFLB.
Re the reflux, yes reflux is known to not only cause chest pain (this will typically be along your sternum and/or a little to the left, and will radiate to your back) but also nausea and can be related to various gastro problems. But if you are not experiencing other symptoms (frequent heartburn, sore throat, night cough, frequent belching, etc.), then it is unlikely.
My is to stay away from the bag altogether, and if you do use the whip, keep your session light. Then give yourself time to heal. Be patient. And work on getting out of the stress vicious circle.
Good luck.
It seems to me that your doctor's diagnosis of costochronditis is reasonable. There is what is sometimes called the "large body muscle" which basically encloses your rib cage and diaphragm (it is not literally all muscle, it also consists of cartilage, etc.). It's not all that uncommon to bruise or strain an area. If you cough or turn wrong or lift a weight, anything like this, it can hurt like hell. And it can take a very long time for an injury like this to heal - easily months.
About the anxiety: You said it yourself, you have a lot of stress because of the pains. You are worried; that comes through in your posts. Anxiety produces stress which produces pain which produces anxiety which produces stress which . . . you get the picture. IMO the first thing you need to do is accept the doctor's diagnosis, take it easy on yourself, and just settle in for the long wait until you heal.
Finally, while I would just put the Q aside for the time being, if you want to still use it IMO you should definitely switch to the whip with the cyclone bowl (not elbow-pack). And do not hit it hard. If you vomited using the bag, which you say is "huge", that suggests you are over-doing something - too much vapor, too fast, too deep, too much of something. This is what is most different compared to your iolite or MFLB.
Re the reflux, yes reflux is known to not only cause chest pain (this will typically be along your sternum and/or a little to the left, and will radiate to your back) but also nausea and can be related to various gastro problems. But if you are not experiencing other symptoms (frequent heartburn, sore throat, night cough, frequent belching, etc.), then it is unlikely.
My
is to stay away from the bag altogether, and if you do use the whip, keep your session light. Then give yourself time to heal. Be patient. And work on getting out of the stress vicious circle.Good luck.
ilovebOObs
can i stick my male joint in there?
had the chance to visit my old EQ. so here you go EQ with VXC hydra circ. only had time to try one bowl and it was pretty good but the elbow bowl was too loose for my joint to hold in place so bowl keeps on falling down to the bigger bowl.
Ganjafly
Member
Interesting. I'm also one of the minority who does not elbow pack - at the end of a whip it just adds too much drag for me. (Btw, many if not most who elbow pack raise the temp by ~10C to compensate for the herb being a little farther from the heat source.)
I use a similar method to yours. Essentially I pull like with a cigar, short puffs which pull up the vapor and stir the herb until my bubbler is filled with vapor. I inhale all that but don't clear, and after exhale resume the puffing. I don't clear until after several of these short-puff/long pulls because that requires on the next pull to again displace all the air in the whip and bubbler; I keep the air out and the entire path to my mouth filled with vapor. Plenty thick, less work, I do just need to be just a bit careful not to pull too fast/hard or the elbow screen gets clogged. fwiw.
<imgsrc="http://db.tt/BZh1Didr"/>Interesting. I'm also one of the minority who does not elbow pack - at the end of a whip it just adds too much drag for me. (Btw, many if not most who elbow pack raise the temp by ~10C to compensate for the herb being a little farther from the heat source.)
I use a similar method to yours. Essentially I pull like with a cigar, short puffs which pull up the vapor and stir the herb until my bubbler is filled with vapor. I inhale all that but don't clear, and after exhale resume the puffing. I don't clear until after several of these short-puff/long pulls because that requires on the next pull to again displace all the air in the whip and bubbler; I keep the air out and the entire path to my mouth filled with vapor. Plenty thick, less work, I do just need to be just a bit careful not to pull too fast/hard or the elbow screen gets clogged. fwiw.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Can you post a picture of your cyclone/new glass piece?
likevaping
Well-Known Member
I tried whip with no fan yesterday and today and i got NO pains in my chest with whip, so i got chest pains just with extreme q bag.
Can be something wrong with airway when i use fan? Can fan cause pains in my chest, because is somehow defect?
Can be something wrong with airway when i use fan? Can fan cause pains in my chest, because is somehow defect?
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Are all the pieces clean? Including the short whip, and is it stock tubing? And when you cleaned the pieces, if you used ISO did you very thoroughly rinse with fresh water? And is the bag fresh? And is the herb the same both bag and whip?
If you are sure everything is perfectly clean and fresh, it is hard to imagine a problem in the air path into the bag. There is only an elbow (and you use an elbow with the whip, too) and a short piece of tubing (and you use an even longer piece of the same tubing with the whip, too) and the glass mouthpiece into the bag. That is all.
As far as the fan being the problem, that is also hard to imagine. It simply draws up and pushes air from outside the unit into the vapor path, the same air as you pull with the whip through the same path. But it's simple enough to test this: Turn on Fan 1 or Fan 2 with the whip. Watch the end of the whip, it will take a few moments before the vapor comes out. Then hit the whip. If the problem was the fan-to-bag, you'll experience it the same with fan-to-whip; there is no difference.
If everything is clean, and you are fine with the whip including if the fan is running, then that only leaves . . . something in your technique. (You did say that you vomited, maybe that's a clue.)
trichomefox
Member
Does anyone's Extreme Q power brick make a really loud whining noise while on? I use it for extended periods and when trying to relax the whine can be heard over tv and 2 fans sometimes....I did contact the supplier and they said it's not a normal problem. I tried trading cords and it still does it. Not sure if it's really worth sending back if perhaps the power bricks are just noisy to begin with and maybe it's just my ears, though other people have noticed it as well (they thought it was the unit, but it's not).
I also want to ask - is it really safe to use full melt hash on top of a cotton ball? What temperature might be good for that?
I also want to ask - is it really safe to use full melt hash on top of a cotton ball? What temperature might be good for that?
Yes, everyone of my 1/2 dozen EQ power bricks have done the exact same thing. Apparently it's normal but yeah bugs the snot out of me. Luckily my Solo ac adapter battery bypass is quiet as a stoned mouse. I think it's the switching power supply?
Funny though, wiggle the cyclone bowl a little and it makes it go away for a sec or so.
Funny though, wiggle the cyclone bowl a little and it makes it go away for a sec or so.
Maybe so, but it is not normal. I know a few EQ owners and none of them have had the problem. If you read through the Extreme threads, you will see that while a few people have reported the issue, every time it happens several others report that they don't and never have had the noise.
It is a noise associated with switching power supplies, and the whine is at a frequency that a lot of people can't hear. Before you rush to say that this is why some people say they don't have the problem, more than one owner has reported having the whine from one brick they own and not another.
Since it is a switching power supply noise, if the noise stops when you wiggle the cyclone bowl then that implies that you have a loose connection to your heater. How else would the cyclone bowl affect your power brick?
Yeah i'm not sure, but I think i've had an EQ that was silent too, and I think the wiggling actually stopped that whining sound from INSIDE the EQ so maybe a different problem.
Regardless, it was extremely annoying to me but I have good hearing. I no longer own an EQ and never will again. The Solo has taken over.
Regardless, it was extremely annoying to me but I have good hearing. I no longer own an EQ and never will again. The Solo has taken over.
I think your talking about 2 different things now. The high pitched whine coming from the ceramic heater is a reasonably well documented issue. Trichomefox is talking about a sound coming from the power supply - that's a different issue I'm not familiar with.
URL?
Let me clarify that statement. Throughout this thread - which I have read in it's entirety - there are several discussions relating to the high pitched whine. I did a quick search and here are a few posts discussing the issue - #1578,1871,2471,2605,2862,2878 - there are more I just couldn't be bothered to list them all 