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I love my PD for who she is 
Discontinued Purple-Days Vaporizer
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lwien
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I've done business with Tom and Pammy for over two years now and one thing that I do know is that Tom is pretty damn intolerant when in comes to his vape and especially when it comes to safety issues, be it his vape or any other vape and when it comes to safety and health, I would MUCH rather have a manufacture be passionately intolerant of these issues than not.
DevoTheStrange
Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
LaunchBox420 said:
It cools down much faster than it warms up. I would say unplug it, let it sit 15 minutes, then put it away.
fail
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Purple-Days said:TV, I don't want your business
Tom,
What you are doing is called false advertising. The PD doesn't have a fixed temperature, saying otherwise is a lie. What it has is a fixed voltage.
The temperature of PD changes constantly during the day and night, winter and summer, warm apartment and cold apartment... The PD will have a different temp in your town and for example a buyer's location like Miami.
False advertising is highly unethical business practice and is also illegal as you surely know.
fail
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lwien said:
It is not about knobs, even without a knob the device can maintain a fixed temperature by having a thermostat function, this is not the case with PD. PD doesn't have a fixed temp, this is a fact many times discussed by yourself.
Also you have an idiotic avatar...
mod note: Careful with the personal comments.
Gunky
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I bought a PD a couple months ago and love it. It is now my main delivery method. My cherry wood PD is very well put together. It's very tight, if you slap it the whole thing rings like a bell, including the steel core. The woodworking details, fit and finish are very professionally done. If I am not mistaken, these log vapes go through a burn-in period and the temp increases slightly. After running continuously for a couple months this cherry PD is very good now and reaches a very nice temperature where it is easy to vaporize and the abv is generally quite dark. I don't feel the need to vary the voltage/temp on this one. The simplicity is actually part of the goodness of this type of vape. The log vape experience is somewhat different from other vapes in that there is a distinct pace and style to using it. In using a small bowl like this there is a danger of feeling like the process is too busy, too much loading and unloading, too much fussing. The beauty of these log vapes descended from the eterra is that there is very little fuss and muss: you can load a bowl quickly by sucking some herb up through the tube, discard a spent load with a little click of your tongue, and no picking, stirring, or getting your hands dirty is necessary. It is not necessary to touch the herb at all with your hands and the entire process is quite neat and clean. Cleaning the tubes requires nothing more than putting them in the little purple iso bottle, shaking a bit, and removing later and rinsing with hot water. The small bowl also has a way of regulating your intake: there is a natural, comfortable pace and dosage that you tend to fall into when using it. I do like the occasional massive hit and have other vapes to scratch that itch.
Edit 6:26 PM friday:
I would like to add that I don't support Tom's recent over the top rhetoric in this thread. I understand that he may be stressed out about several things and I would urge him to reserve comment when emotionally upset.
Edit 6:26 PM friday:
I would like to add that I don't support Tom's recent over the top rhetoric in this thread. I understand that he may be stressed out about several things and I would urge him to reserve comment when emotionally upset.
"Non-Variable Temp" would be more correct than "Fixed Temp".
A variable voltage power supply could actually extend the life of a log vape. Just set it for 10 volts when not using. It only draws 5 watts at 10 volts. You also save money on electricity.
The max voltage that can be applied is 15. That is only 11.25 watts theoretically. The thermal degradation to resistance would probably only allow 10 watts. That is less than 3 night lights and would only be applied for a short period of time.
Anyone who is smart enough to realize the advantage of voltage control would not be likely to damage their log vape. Would be so nice to have a 15 foot long cord.
A variable voltage power supply could actually extend the life of a log vape. Just set it for 10 volts when not using. It only draws 5 watts at 10 volts. You also save money on electricity.
The max voltage that can be applied is 15. That is only 11.25 watts theoretically. The thermal degradation to resistance would probably only allow 10 watts. That is less than 3 night lights and would only be applied for a short period of time.
Anyone who is smart enough to realize the advantage of voltage control would not be likely to damage their log vape. Would be so nice to have a 15 foot long cord.
Brother Brigham
King, Priest and Ruler over Israel on Earth
OK, let's see:
TV,
Go easy buddy, we can all be friends. Tom is entitled to finally saying enough is enough...read this thread...the topic has come up many times. His reply seemed a bit uncharacteristic, but it sure sounded like his day wasn't going so swimmingly. Tom has said from the getgo that the PD ISN'T for everyone...all good brother. I've been considering a variable temp vape too, the EQ, DBV, SSV, or even the Volcano. Perhaps we could pack a bowl on Kolob one day.
lwien,
I sure like your pussy. It's cool, I'm a prophet of god, I can say that.
For me, when I have a hard time sucking back, it is because I have over-loaded the bowl, or have ground my herb too finely. Try and load a half bowl and see if that helps.
TV,
Go easy buddy, we can all be friends. Tom is entitled to finally saying enough is enough...read this thread...the topic has come up many times. His reply seemed a bit uncharacteristic, but it sure sounded like his day wasn't going so swimmingly. Tom has said from the getgo that the PD ISN'T for everyone...all good brother. I've been considering a variable temp vape too, the EQ, DBV, SSV, or even the Volcano. Perhaps we could pack a bowl on Kolob one day.
lwien,
I sure like your pussy. It's cool, I'm a prophet of god, I can say that.
Purple-Days
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Please folks, if you are reading along and saying, hey, this TV guy sounds reasonable, well let me go back a bit and give you some facts.
This is a 5 watt resistor which is being slightly overdriven at 12 Volts and produces the 'right' amount of heat. And has done so, for the Eterra since 1978, the Aromazap products since 2001 and the Purple-Days products since January 2008.
Yet, TV is advising you to run your PD, or any other 'log vape' as he called them, at 15 Volts and admits that this is 11.25 Watts (haven't checked his math) well over twice the rated specs. He even suggests, in post #6738, "This power supply should work perfect for a log vape." As if he is some sort of expert. Or just helping out. He is not, from what I can see. And is now hedging his bets, "That is only 11.25 watts theoretically. The thermal degradation to resistance would probably only allow 10 watts. ... and would only be applied for a short period of time." Who says it would only be applied for a short time? Nobody around here ever forgets anything, do they?
TV, you are a very short sighted person, it seems, who is posting with no consequences, taking no responsibility for your bad advice, that could damage a another persons PD or even cause other property damage.
Hey, did I call you stupid earlier? Sorry, I shouldn't have. You are far worse than that, you are dangerous. Stop giving electrical advice.
BTW TV, if you haven't read the rules, there is an interesting one, "Do not state opinion as fact. We don't want to spread bad information.". Your electrical opinions, "resistance would probably only allow 10 watts" are not facts and are therefor, "bad information".
Please folks if you have electrical questions just ask, but watch who you take answers from.
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Yes, Brother Brigham, not a swimming day, Kori our white dog was having convulsions til about 2AM and quite confused til about noon. Back to normal this evening. Something inherent in this breed and not very common, this is the first bad episode we have seen in him and it was pretty upsetting. He is Pammy and Kali's baby.
This is a 5 watt resistor which is being slightly overdriven at 12 Volts and produces the 'right' amount of heat. And has done so, for the Eterra since 1978, the Aromazap products since 2001 and the Purple-Days products since January 2008.
Yet, TV is advising you to run your PD, or any other 'log vape' as he called them, at 15 Volts and admits that this is 11.25 Watts (haven't checked his math) well over twice the rated specs. He even suggests, in post #6738, "This power supply should work perfect for a log vape." As if he is some sort of expert. Or just helping out. He is not, from what I can see. And is now hedging his bets, "That is only 11.25 watts theoretically. The thermal degradation to resistance would probably only allow 10 watts. ... and would only be applied for a short period of time." Who says it would only be applied for a short time? Nobody around here ever forgets anything, do they?
TV, you are a very short sighted person, it seems, who is posting with no consequences, taking no responsibility for your bad advice, that could damage a another persons PD or even cause other property damage.
Hey, did I call you stupid earlier? Sorry, I shouldn't have. You are far worse than that, you are dangerous. Stop giving electrical advice.
BTW TV, if you haven't read the rules, there is an interesting one, "Do not state opinion as fact. We don't want to spread bad information.". Your electrical opinions, "resistance would probably only allow 10 watts" are not facts and are therefor, "bad information".
Please folks if you have electrical questions just ask, but watch who you take answers from.
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Yes, Brother Brigham, not a swimming day, Kori our white dog was having convulsions til about 2AM and quite confused til about noon. Back to normal this evening. Something inherent in this breed and not very common, this is the first bad episode we have seen in him and it was pretty upsetting. He is Pammy and Kali's baby.
LaunchBox420
Quinton
DevoTheStrange said:
alright cool thanks...
Quick question to everyone...When using your PD with a water pipe, do you prefer to use a connecting tube, or just apply the PD directly to the water pipe?
Nycdeisel
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I actually just had to start hooking my PD to my mini beaker(I think I have got a cold...:/) and since its a very small tube, I didnt like using the regular length stems with it, but using the mini stems(called Whip Rippers on their site) seems to be perfect. and most people probably dont use such a small piece so it would most likely be even less of a problem for others.
LaunchBox420
Quinton
I think having to hold the PD up while you take a hit each time would start to get annoying after awhile...but havnt tried it yet so cant be fore sure lol....i will prob end up using a whip connector for the PD
LaunchBox420
Quinton
Guess everybodys preferences are different though right? Im gonna try both and see which suits mine 
LaunchBox420
Quinton
Nycdeisel said:
Never really thought about extra drag, however i have vaped through bongs before, i used my brothers Extreme Q to go though one, wasn't too much drag. The PD probably doesn't mimic the same airflow and drag as the EQ though, so will have to see the difference and go fromt there i guess!
LaunchBox420
Quinton
ya thought it would be a bit different...ill try it though and post my results after, but ill take you up on your advice about cleaning...taste is key for me 
Tom,
I just happened to be a registered professional engineer. I do know what I'm talking about. I'm not stating electrical opinions. They are facts. Here is a link to an electrical calculator so you can check my math.
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-ohm.htm
Temperature will de-rate the value of a resistor. It will not produce the theoretical power. It will be somewhat less. I was not providing bad information. 10 watts is about what it will produce at the highest setting. The resistors are rated for 10 times their rated wattage for a short period of time (check the data sheet). You are over driving the resistor by 1.44 times at 12 volts. Some have been over driving by 1.7 times at 13 volts. Over driving the resistor by 2 times should not be a problem for a limited amount of time. I did not advise anyone to provide 15 volts to their unit.
I just purchased one of the variable power supply units. I will test it out and see how it works.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to test it out on a PD unit since you will never sell me one. Will just have to try it out on my own design of log vape.
I just happened to be a registered professional engineer. I do know what I'm talking about. I'm not stating electrical opinions. They are facts. Here is a link to an electrical calculator so you can check my math.
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-ohm.htm
Temperature will de-rate the value of a resistor. It will not produce the theoretical power. It will be somewhat less. I was not providing bad information. 10 watts is about what it will produce at the highest setting. The resistors are rated for 10 times their rated wattage for a short period of time (check the data sheet). You are over driving the resistor by 1.44 times at 12 volts. Some have been over driving by 1.7 times at 13 volts. Over driving the resistor by 2 times should not be a problem for a limited amount of time. I did not advise anyone to provide 15 volts to their unit.
I just purchased one of the variable power supply units. I will test it out and see how it works.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to test it out on a PD unit since you will never sell me one. Will just have to try it out on my own design of log vape.
lwien
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TV said:
And therein lies the issue. There as a HUGE gap between "I'm gonna make a product that is idiot proof as I can make it, especially considering who is going to be using it and what state of mind the're in" from, "Over driving a resistor by 2 times "should" not be a problem for a "limited" period of time".
You may be an engineer, TV and most of the engineers I know have a very unique way of looking at things. Most of us here are not engineers. Now I'm sayin' that you need to be an engineer to understand what you just said, but it does take a bit of an engineering mind-set to FUCKING REMEMBER NOT to turn it up too high".
And I believe that you suggeting what you said to Toms customers and future customers, is probably keeping him up at night and if that was me, I too would be a bit cranky.
(ok, I think I'll bow out now................cya ! )
Purple-Days
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TV, you are not a 'registered professional engineer' here.
TV, you are an anonymous poster on a forum giving un-welcome advice. Unless you would like to give your name and credentials. So people can hold you personally responsible for what you say. I have a feeling you won't.
On the other hand, everyone knows who I am and where to find me. That makes a big difference in the type of advice we both give.
Again, I say, TV is giving irresponsible advice. And has no business giving it here. There isn't much I can do about it except post here and hope somebody, listens to the manufacturer, rather than an anonymous poster.
TV says, "I did not advise anyone to provide 15 volts to their unit." BUT, TV you suggested ""This power supply should work perfect for a log vape." and gave no limit on the input of a variable power supply capable of going to 15 Volts. That's the difference here, you are not responsible in the end for any of your statements or mis-interpretations of your suggestions.
Again you say things like, "Over driving the resistor by 2 times should not be a problem for a limited amount of time." SHOULD? WTF? You just said you were a 'registered professional engineer' (not without showing your creds you are not...) and the best you can do is SHOULD??? See, you (TV) are hedging your bets, again, and have no intention of standing behind any of your anonymous forum posts.
And the only reason I didn't check your math, is because with the internet, anybody with any sense (even the worst 'registered professional engineer') can find a calculator and be an instant wiz. I didn't think you were stupid enough to post bad math, just said I hadn't checked it (I try to be precise and honest in what I say). And didn't have time to waste, you are wasting enough of it for me... I know the math... I worked in the Quality Control department of one of the biggest radar detector mfgs. in the USA (yes it was a long time ago, the math doesn't change, even though I learned it from a book).
Maybe I don't have a degree... I don't. But, I have a responsibility as a manufacturer. I stand behind my words and my work. On the other hand, you are just spouting bullshit (no matter how 'right' it is) till you give those credentials and can suffer the same liability as me.
TV, I don't want a fight with you, and in another setting, we might see things the same way. But, in this setting, I have to come at things from a different angle than you.
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An interesting and entirely coincidental sidebar :
Just listened to a car talk program, local, on radio this AM. One fellow, and host, is an owner of a well known repair shop. The other is an owner of an equally prestigious transmission shop.
The repair shop owner presents a scenario to the transmission man... here it is, best I can remember:
Car owner calls in to the repair shop. He has reddish fluid under his Volvo and wants to know if it's OK (safe?) to drive it in to the shop...
Repair owner says he can't know without actually seeing the fluid in person and being there and to be safe, when unsure, towing is the best and only reasonable option... (Since describing color on the phone is pointless.)
Car owner wants to compare fluids, get some on a finger, open the power steering, check the transmission dipstick, brake fluid, coolant and other fluid levels and compare.
YEP, it's transmission fluid for sure, he calls back.
Right front of a Volvo?... But the tranny is left, maybe the guy is backwards, maybe a tranny fluid line to the radiator is leaking on the right side etc., who knows?
With a 100% diagnosis of transmission fluid from the customer, and calculating the worst that can happen if the vehicle runs out of tranny fluid . . .
He gives the OK, bring it in for service.
Turns out this is a true story...
The car owner arrives in his Volvo and it was the oil line to the oil cooler. Fortunately it was a short drive and the leak wasn't severe enough to run the Volvo critically low on oil.
The question to the transmission shop owner was this, more or less. Who's fault would it have been if the drive was longer or the leak was worse? You can ponder his possible quiver of answers, from a car owner and shop owner perspective, they are probably quite different.
TV, you are an anonymous poster on a forum giving un-welcome advice. Unless you would like to give your name and credentials. So people can hold you personally responsible for what you say. I have a feeling you won't.
On the other hand, everyone knows who I am and where to find me. That makes a big difference in the type of advice we both give.
Again, I say, TV is giving irresponsible advice. And has no business giving it here. There isn't much I can do about it except post here and hope somebody, listens to the manufacturer, rather than an anonymous poster.
TV says, "I did not advise anyone to provide 15 volts to their unit." BUT, TV you suggested ""This power supply should work perfect for a log vape." and gave no limit on the input of a variable power supply capable of going to 15 Volts. That's the difference here, you are not responsible in the end for any of your statements or mis-interpretations of your suggestions.
Again you say things like, "Over driving the resistor by 2 times should not be a problem for a limited amount of time." SHOULD? WTF? You just said you were a 'registered professional engineer' (not without showing your creds you are not...) and the best you can do is SHOULD??? See, you (TV) are hedging your bets, again, and have no intention of standing behind any of your anonymous forum posts.
And the only reason I didn't check your math, is because with the internet, anybody with any sense (even the worst 'registered professional engineer') can find a calculator and be an instant wiz. I didn't think you were stupid enough to post bad math, just said I hadn't checked it (I try to be precise and honest in what I say). And didn't have time to waste, you are wasting enough of it for me... I know the math... I worked in the Quality Control department of one of the biggest radar detector mfgs. in the USA (yes it was a long time ago, the math doesn't change, even though I learned it from a book).
Maybe I don't have a degree... I don't. But, I have a responsibility as a manufacturer. I stand behind my words and my work. On the other hand, you are just spouting bullshit (no matter how 'right' it is) till you give those credentials and can suffer the same liability as me.
TV, I don't want a fight with you, and in another setting, we might see things the same way. But, in this setting, I have to come at things from a different angle than you.
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An interesting and entirely coincidental sidebar :
Just listened to a car talk program, local, on radio this AM. One fellow, and host, is an owner of a well known repair shop. The other is an owner of an equally prestigious transmission shop.
The repair shop owner presents a scenario to the transmission man... here it is, best I can remember:
Car owner calls in to the repair shop. He has reddish fluid under his Volvo and wants to know if it's OK (safe?) to drive it in to the shop...
Repair owner says he can't know without actually seeing the fluid in person and being there and to be safe, when unsure, towing is the best and only reasonable option... (Since describing color on the phone is pointless.)
Car owner wants to compare fluids, get some on a finger, open the power steering, check the transmission dipstick, brake fluid, coolant and other fluid levels and compare.
YEP, it's transmission fluid for sure, he calls back.
Right front of a Volvo?... But the tranny is left, maybe the guy is backwards, maybe a tranny fluid line to the radiator is leaking on the right side etc., who knows?
With a 100% diagnosis of transmission fluid from the customer, and calculating the worst that can happen if the vehicle runs out of tranny fluid . . .
He gives the OK, bring it in for service.
Turns out this is a true story...
The car owner arrives in his Volvo and it was the oil line to the oil cooler. Fortunately it was a short drive and the leak wasn't severe enough to run the Volvo critically low on oil.
The question to the transmission shop owner was this, more or less. Who's fault would it have been if the drive was longer or the leak was worse? You can ponder his possible quiver of answers, from a car owner and shop owner perspective, they are probably quite different.