Indian tobacco for lung healing?

Before the American Indian culture was shattered, the Indians used an unprocessed tobacco in pipes ceremoniously and for healing. Yes, healing lung disorders.

Indian tobacco is known as Lobelia inflate or lobelia, which some herbalists, unafraid of being politically incorrect for using an herb once banned by the FDA, use medicinally today. Not necessarily to smoke, but dispensed as tinctures or tablets.

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Lobelia can be eaten or smoked. Has anyone tried to vape it?

Indian tobacco helps smokers kick the habit and repair their lungs
http://www.naturalnews.com/035119_tobacco_lung_health_addiction.html

Repair their lungs through combustion? Doesn't work like that.

I get that it sounds like a contradiction, but just because we don't understand something that doesn't have to mean that it doesn't or can't work.

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I get that it sounds like a contradiction, but just because we don't understand something that doesn't have to mean that it doesn't or can't work.

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IMO, it's pretty easy to understand how lobelia can get people to quit cigs, and also the reason why it doesn't actually work the way author is suggesting.

"Schulze advocates the gradual approach of smoking one less cigarette each day and taking lobelia when the urge to smoke becomes impossible to resist. Dr. Schulze has had many kick the nicotine habit, and he has helped patients get over serious lung problems with lobelia."

Sounds to me like its as simple as smoking one less cig a day until you aren't a smoker anymore. Gee, I think that's called quiting! The lobelia is used as a "safe" alternative in place of smoking a cig in order to curb ones inevitable grumpiness from nicotine withdrawal.

This article does not provide any sources to backup any of the claims of lobelia, How does it heal your lungs, what are the other 13 Alkaloids that are in lobelia?

"They did manage to appreciate lobelia's healing qualities. Even today, herbal advocate David Wolfe has noticed indigenous tribal members in the Amazon and New Guinea smoking pure tobacco in their 80s while enjoying good health."

^ that's called anecdotal evidence - useless info.

I am forced to dismiss this article as its poorly written.

That's why I put a question mark after the thread name, because it's not for certain. But the fact that native peoples have used it for this purpose is valuable information to me, and frankly, more valuable to me than something the FDA or some scientist says. Big Pharma makes lots of money on its synthetic cessation drugs, and isn't interested in a natural solution. It could be like marijuana where nobody is going to study it unless it gets widely popular, and there's a huge financial interest in avoiding studying it.

I'll still take "Big Pharma" over most "alternative" therapies.
It's apples and oranges, but I'll take antibiotics over homeopathy any day...
And I'd guess they would be into a natural solution if it made them money... (sorry, my inner skeptic just had to get that out...)

A bit more on topic;
I'll admit I haven't read the article yet, but if it really is just a "have 1 less cig a day, have some of this stuff if you really need a smoke, then IMO its completely disingenuous so say it can promote healing (for the reporter, not the OP).

If it does actually have some kind of healing affects, lets study that shit and implement it...

That would be like me telling an alcoholic to just have a coke every time they really fell like they need a drink, and saying that coke promotes liver healing...

Hell, I could tell someone to just have 1 less cigarette per day and just smoke a different brand if they really need to cheat...
BAM Marlboros now promote lung healing...

Frederick, I completely agree with you that in certain situations I would utilize Big Pharma's solutions, as they can definitely save lives. Unfortunately they work like a mob, manipulating, lying, and defaming legitimate scientists to eliminate the competition. I'm not trying to say I'm right and your wrong kind of thing, but I'd like to point out the irony in someone on cannabis related forums saying Big Pharma would implement a natural solution if it made them money. Yes, it would make them some money, but much much less, and they couldn't control it at all, because people could grow it themselves (Cannabis, anyone?). That way they control medicine and make all the money on it. The government gets to import and distribute the high profit drugs like cocaine, heroin and opium (CIA). After all, that's a major part of the war in the Middle East, protecting their Opium. And you better not even think of reducing their profits in the slightest bit, with natural cures or selling illegal drugs. Those are crimes against society!

Well, I admit this article is not very well written. There is no proof that it heals your lungs or helps you quit smoking, and the article wasn't intended to give medical advice on that. If there is a better article on it please post it. I've been looking without success, there's basically nothing on the internet about it except anecdotal reports that it has helped people quit smoking and breathe better.

All it says is that Native Americans traditionally used it for healing. It is fact that it contains an alkaloid similar to nicotine, and many herbalists consider it to be one of the most powerful herbs in the world.

This herb can be taken orally or smoked/vaped, and contains 14 alkaloids, one being chemically similar to nicotine and known to release dopamine, like nicotine.

Because it contains an alkaloid similar to nicotine that releases dopamine, I believe this has potential as a smoking cessation tool that has proven safety better than scientists can. The reason I say this is because it has been used for a very long time traditionally. Keep in mind, there are no safe smoking cessation drugs available at this time. They have extremely severe and life threatening side effects.

I want to hear a report of someone vaping this stuff!

stephenking said:

Frederick, I completely agree with you that in certain situations I would utilize Big Pharma's solutions, as they can definitely save lives. Unfortunately they work like a mob, manipulating, lying, and defaming legitimate scientists to eliminate the competition.

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I agree with all of this... and it sucks

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I'm not trying to say I'm right and your wrong kind of thing, but I'd like to point out the irony in someone on cannabis related forums saying Big Pharma would implement a natural solution if it made them money. Yes, it would make them some money, but much much less, and they couldn't control it at all, because people could grow it themselves (Cannabis, anyone?).

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IMO, few people would grow their own. Who here has a veggie patch? (but I do see the irony )
I know there is certainly the "they can't patent it, so they can't make exorbitant amounts of money from it" argument, but that doesn't seem to stop tobacco companies from making the (I know Tobacco is harder to grow etc, just a loose example)
I guess I don't understand why "Big Pharma" who are after nothing but profits, would prefer NO share of profits from a uncontrolled source, than SOME profits from an uncontrolled source?
(Obviously if it cut into their other profits, that would alter the equation...)

I also don't believe that all "Big Pharma" (which just seems to be a catch all conspiracy theory type name...) are just out for the "patent profits"...
I only seem to see it presented as Ooooh, big evil corporations are being all corporation-y and only looking out for the corporations by corporatizing all these lovely natural herbs.

Its a spectrum, and I guess I may just be naive, but IMO most people are out to do the right thing...

Having said all that, I find the concept that pharmaceuticals are one of (if not the) most profitable industries to be sickening... :sick:

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That way they control medicine and make all the money on it. The government gets to import and distribute the high profit drugs like cocaine, heroin and opium (CIA). After all, that's a major part of the war in the Middle East, protecting their Opium. And you better not even think of reducing their profits in the slightest bit, with natural cures or selling illegal drugs. Those are crimes against society!

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Yeah, I know there's a lot of fucked up crap going on...
I've heard some pretty crazy stories of US army members being used to protect opium poppy fields...

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Well, I admit this article is not very well written. There is no proof that it heals your lungs or helps you quit smoking, and the article wasn't intended to give medical advice on that. If there is a better article on it please post it. I've been looking without success, there's basically nothing on the internet about it except anecdotal reports that it has helped people quit smoking and breathe better.

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I have never actually heard of this herb before, it just set off every single one of my skeptical alarm bells.

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All it says is that Native Americans traditionally used it for healing.

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Honestly, I couldn't care less who used it for however long, I care if it actually works.

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It is fact that it contains an alkaloid similar to nicotine, and many herbalists consider it to be one of the most powerful herbs in the world.

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That I find interesting.
Even so, unless it actually *promotes healing* I think its disingenuous to claim it does so...
If it an effective harm minimization and quitting tool, then that's great, and it deserves its recognition for doing so, but its not a healing agent (or at least doesn't seem to have been sufficiently demonstrated as so).

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This herb can be taken orally or smoked/vaped, and contains 14 alkaloids, one being chemically similar to nicotine and known to release dopamine, like nicotine.

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That's Interesting...

stephenking said:

Because it contains an alkaloid similar to nicotine that releases dopamine, I believe this has potential as a smoking cessation tool that has proven safety better than scientists can.

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I don't understand?

stephenking said:

The reason I say this is because it has been used for a very long time traditionally. Keep in mind, there are no safe smoking cessation drugs available at this time. They have extremely severe and life threatening side effects.

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Are you saying that this herb is basically the best of a bad bunch of options, and it's better than what scientists can produce?
It just sounded like you said its safer than scientists can prove, which confused me a bit.

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I want to hear a report of someone vaping this stuff!

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Me too.

(Nothing in this post was meant as offensive/aggressive, sorry if it comes off that way...)

Agreed Frederick, sorry for being unclear on some points.

When I said "more than scientist can prove" what I meant was that scientists typically set up studies to be very misleading and ineffective. Many toxic drugs are considered "safe" by the FDA. All their studies are extremely short term, long term affects are rarely considered. Vaccine studies are a classic example, all of them look at people for a week after receiving the vaccine, then claim it's safe. Every vaccine study ever done uses a control of a vaccinated person, they have never compared against an unvaccinated person. Vaccines have lots of documented negative side effects in some people, and kill others, while causing viruses to mutate and actually become dangerous. Polio was a harmless fever that was normal to get until a vaccine was distributed, then Polio started killing people. But I didn't mean to derail this into a debate about vaccines, which it seems most people are very emotionally charged about, whichever side they are on.

If native peoples have been using this herb without ill effects for generations, then while I realize it hasn't been "proven" to be safe, I would feel more safe using it occasionally in small amounts than receiving vaccines which have been "proven safe" according to the FDA.

The article I linked to was poorly written and misleading. I have no idea how it might heal the lungs other than by aiding people to quit smoking, but the article seems to imply that healing of the lungs is a separate affect of the herb. I have seen it in herbal formulations to improve lung function (I'm not saying this means it works), and have heard anecdotal reports that it works, but never tried it myself. I wish there was more data online about this herb.

Are you saying that this herb is basically the best of a bad bunch of options, and it's better than what scientists can produce?

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Since it hasn't been studied, it's hard to say. But again, it has been used safely for a long time by native peoples. Big Pharma's current solutions are known to be extremely dangerous and life threatening. With that information, I know what I would choose to try first, but I don't smoke tobacco anyway.

Well, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, Vaccines are IMO, one of (if not the) greatest innovations in our medical history...
I also COMPLETELY disagree that "scientists typically set up studies to be very misleading and ineffective"
NO.
THEY DON'T.

SOME "scientists" do this, they are often laughed out of peer reviewed literature, and most of the time I see it, its for alternative therapies like homeopathy, or acupuncture.

Scientists set up studies to most accurately demonstrate the hypothesis.
Yes, often studies need refining as surprising results can come from seemingly benign decisions (like one from a study I can't remember, which inadvertently changed the expected chance result from 1/2 to 2/3)
but that's the whole point of Science/Peer Review.

Generate Hypothesis
Test Hypothesis (gather Evidence)
Determine accuracy of Hypothesis based on Evidence.

Peer Review is designed to try to weed out Poor procedures for gathering evidence...
As such I put a pretty high level of trust in scientists...

I put more weight behind the scientists that have tested a herb, and found it contains X,Y, and Z none of which are harmful, than the native peoples who have used it for years.

Acupuncture has been around for centuries, I'm still not gonna get it done if I have a bad back...

EDIT: I know its a logical fallacy, But I'd argue that anyone who sets out to produce intentionally misleading results is "no true scientist"

Then what about the points I brought up about vaccine studies? You think that's an honest way to conduct research? Short term with no unvaccinated person to compare to?

Vaccines are a complicated issue, but I'm not making up these issues. Here's some recent news about vaccines you won't hear in the mainstream news:

-Scientists admit Whooping Cough more prevalent in children who received the vaccine
-Donald Trump publicly states vaccines are clearly linked to Autism
-They constantly kill many many children in third world countries regularly in vaccine experiments (just a couple months ago Merck had to pay a whopping 64K in damages to Argentina for such an incident, bet that hurt Merck)
-The USA secretly tests vaccines on its own public (ever heard of Gulf War Syndrome?). The hundreds or thousands (don't remember) of vets that have it all got an experimental vaccine, the government continues to deny the syndrome even exists

I could rant about vaccines forever, but I don't feel it would do much good. And like I said, no matter which side people are on, vaccine talk gets everyone very heated, and the research is on the internet if anyone cares to do their own research instead of blindly following the CDC and FDA's recommendations. Even the CDC's own data supports my stance, take a look at their graphs of disease outbreaks and deaths.

In fact, new research by Harvard found the theory all vaccines are based in to be the quack science that it is. I might have to start a thread on this one because everyone should read this:
Bedrock of vaccination theory crumbles as science reveals antibodies not necessary to fight viruses
http://www.naturalnews.com/035371_vaccine_theory_antibodies_viruses.html

Sorry, That was why I (thought I) asked for some specifics, I admit I haven't looked thoroughly into particular studies, so I can't comment on the specifics.

I think short term studies are a perfectly valid tool in certain circumstances, so I'd need more specifics.
I certainly don't think it's fair to say "hey, they've been fine for a week, it's absolutely safe". Having said that, the 1 week figure could be something like 95% of complications occur within a week, if there aren't any within a week, it's reached safety level X.

Again, I could be way off base about this, hit me up with more info.

It doesn't scream misleading to me...

-Scientists admit Whooping Cough more prevalent in children who received the vaccine
Which scientists are "admitting" this?
Is this to do with the newer strain/version of whooping cough going around?
Is there a causal link between getting the vaccine and it inducing the disease?

-Donald Trump publicly states vaccines are clearly linked to Autism
That's good for Donald Trump, what evidence did he cite?
I have yet to see a study come to that conclusion that wasn't horribly biased against vaccines, and flawed in its methodology (but I'm open to evidence)

-They constantly kill many many children in third world countries regularly in vaccine experiments (just a couple months ago Merck had to pay a whopping 64K in damages to Argentina for such an incident, bet that hurt Merck)
That's horrible, and it shouldn't happen...

-The USA secretly tests vaccines on its own public (ever heard of Gulf War Syndrome?). The hundreds or thousands (don't remember) of vets that have it all got an experimental vaccine, the government continues to deny the syndrome even exists
I'll admit I'm not entirely familiar with Gulf War Syndrome, but I do remember hearing about something like that... I'd need to look into it further.

Both of those last 2 points seem to just be about completely unethical behavior more than anything else...

I will have to look into the data more re-deaths, but you made a very specific claim about polio before, which I thought I asked about in my last post, But re-reading it now, I must've forgot to hit post on an edit or something...
Can you cite some evidence for the Polio was relatively benign until the vaccine came out thing?

"I meant was that scientists typically set up studies to be very misleading and ineffective."

Sounds like this comes from someone who doesn't read science literature and does not have an educated background in science.

And actually, we do know that smoking is harmful. There's a lot of research to back that claim up.

aero18 I realize there is legitimate science, but the science I was talking about isn't. Scientists know how to set up studies to give them a certain outcome. Studies on things like vaccines and gmos are done by the same company selling them. That's a vested interest. I do read a lot of scientific articles because I find them valuable.

And actually, we do know that smoking is harmful. There's a lot of research to back that claim up.

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I agree that smoking is harmful, don't remember claiming otherwise. Funnily enough though, the kind of mainstream science I was just referring to insists smoking still hasn't been linked to cancer.

Fredrick There are a lot more points I could make about vaccines, but here are some big ones:
They contain:

Bovine cow serum: Extracted from cow skin. When injected causes connective tissue disorders, arthritis and lupus; also shortness of breath, low blood pressure, chest pain and skin reactions.
• Sorbitol: Synthetic sweetener which metabolizes very slowly and aggravates IBS and gastrointestinal issues.
• Gelatin: Derived from the collagen inside animals' skin and bones. Injecting gelatin poses the risk of infection from synthetic growth hormones and BSE infectivity (mad cow disease).
• Sodium chloride: Raises blood pressure and inhibits muscle contraction and growth.
• Egg protein: Vaccines are prepared in eggs (certainly not organic). May contain growth hormones, antibiotics, and salmonella bacteria.
• Thimerosal: A neurotoxic mercury which causes autism: There are 25 mcg in one average flu vaccine, and the EPA safety limit is 5 micrograms, so children who are vaccinated simultaneously with multiple* vaccines receive over 10 times the safety limit of mercury in one day.
• Human albumin: The protein portion of blood from pooled human venous plasma; when injected causes fever, chills, hives, rash, headache, nausea, breathing difficulty, and rapid heart rate. Injecting "pooled blood" can result in a loss of body cell mass and cause immunodeficiency virus infection, or contain SV40, AIDS, cancer or Hepatitis B from drug addicts.
• Formaldehyde: Highly carcinogenic fluid used to embalm corpses. Ranked one of the most hazardous compounds to human health; can cause liver damage, gastrointestinal issues, reproductive deformation, respiratory distress and cancer. Plus, formaldehyde has been known to fail to deactivate the virus the vaccine is intended to cure, thus enabling a live virus to enter your blood and infect your system.
• Phenoxyethanol: A glycol ether/chemical; highly toxic to the nervous system, kidneys, and liver. The FDA warns "can cause shut down of the central nervous system (CNS), vomiting and contact dermatitis" in cosmetics; imagine when injected into your blood.
• Aluminum phosphate: Greatly increases toxicity of mercury, so caution about minimum mercury tolerance is therefore severely underestimated. CDC scientists and all doctors are well aware of this.
• MSG (monosodium glutamate): When injected becomes a neurotoxin, causing CNS disorders and brain damage in children.

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One of the most prominent vaccine scientists in the history of the vaccine industry -- a Merck scientist -- made a recording where he openly admits that vaccines given to Americans were contaminated with leukemia and cancer viruses. In response, his colleagues (who are also recorded here) break out into laughter and seem to think it's hilarious.

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I can't find what I read about polio being harmless. It could have been a different disease I read about because it was a long time ago. Polio vaccines do sometimes contain SV40, a cancer virus.

"For four decades, government officials have insisted that there is no evidence the simian virus called SV40 is harmful to humans. But in recent years, dozens of scientific studies have found the virus in a steadily increasing number of rare brain, bone and lung-related tumors - the same malignant cancer SV40 causes in lab animals," the report said. "Even more troubling, the virus has been detected in tumors removed from people never inoculated with the contaminated vaccine, leading some to worry that those infected by the vaccine might be spreading SV40."

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FDA admits mercury in cosmetic products is extremely toxic - so how is it safe in dental fillings, vaccines?

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stephenking, I want to address everything in your post, but its a lot, so it will take me a while.
I've heard of thimerosal before, but as far as I knew,

1. It has already been discontinued from use in most (all?) vaccines.
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   A quote from the FDA:
   

   Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed (approved) by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and except for some formulations of influenza vaccine, all vaccines routinely recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for children under six years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts.

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   http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transpa...ium=website&utm_term=thimerosal&utm_content=1
2. Studies on the matter of whether it actually causes autism in children have shown no conclusive link.
3. The amount of thimerosal was well below the neurotoxicity level, even with exposure adding up from multiple vaccinations being within safe levels.

Here's an extract of a study I found on the matter:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16818529?dopt=Abstract

CONCLUSIONS:

The prevalence of pervasive developmental disorder in Montreal was high, increasing in recent birth cohorts as found in most countries. Factors accounting for the increase include a broadening of diagnostic concepts and criteria, increased awareness and, therefore, better identification of children with pervasive developmental disorders in communities and epidemiologic surveys, and improved access to services. The findings ruled out an association between pervasive developmental disorder and either high levels of ethylmercury exposure comparable with those experienced in the United States in the 1990s or 1- or 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccinations.

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(my emphasis added)

There are a whole bunch of studies on thimerosal found on this page:
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/cc-thim.htm

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You didn't really address either of these:

-Scientists admit Whooping Cough more prevalent in children who received the vaccine
Which scientists are "admitting" this?
Is this to do with the newer strain/version of whooping cough going around?
Is there a causal link between getting the vaccine and it inducing the disease?

-Donald Trump publicly states vaccines are clearly linked to Autism
That's good for Donald Trump, what evidence did he cite?
I have yet to see a study come to that conclusion that wasn't horribly biased against vaccines, and flawed in its methodology (but I'm open to evidence)

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I'm after studies, evidence, not a list from wordpress. (I'm not saying its wrong, I just want to see it backed up)

another EDIT:
Heres a page from the FDA:
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm187810.htm
I found the section on Formaldehyde particularly interesting. (and it has sources)

Yet another EDIT (Because I can ):
That thimerosal stat is incorrect. Very Incorrect.
The average flu vaccine containing 25 mcg of thimerosal is for 10 doses.
Also the children getting multiple vaccines are for certain uncommon cases, and even then they still don't exceed the safety levels.

I'll stop EDITing soon:
Should we maybe take this to a new thread?
It's kinda off the original topic.

After a simple routine vaccine my brother couldn't move his legs for 7 days. I haven't done in depth research but I lean toward the side of not taking them. Its not natural and not the answer to common airborne disease/sickness IMO.

All your points are based on quack science or just plain lies. Not saying you are lying, but the industries are and it takes a lot of time and patience to sort everything about but I can offer you the full story on everything you brought up.
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It has already been discontinued from use in most (all?) vaccines.

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They love this lie, been telling it for a while now.

It is a common myth today that the vaccines administered to children no longer contain the toxic additive thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative linked to causing permanent neurological damage. But a recent federal case involving the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has revealed that, contrary to this widely-held belief, thimerosal is actually still present in many batch vaccines, including in the annual influenza vaccine that is now administered to children as young as six months old.

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Its my opinion that it's detrimental to inject this highly toxic substance into children in any quantity. Mercury and Aluminum (also in vaccines) highly increase each others toxicity.

But a comprehensive review conducted by Dr. Paul G. King has proven otherwise, showing that ethylmercury is first metabolized by the body into toxic methylmercury, which is then metabolized into inorganic mercury (http://www.infowars.com).
Both methylmercury and inorganic mercury are listed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as toxic substances responsible for causing neurological problems, brain disorders, nervous system illnesses, gastrointestinal problems, kidney failure, respiratory illness, and death.

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2. Independent scientists who attempt to study this issue are quickly offed or defamed.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield sues BMJ, journalist Brian Deer for defamation
http://www.naturalnews.com/034629_Andrew_Wakefield_BMJ_Brian_Deer.html

The man has been shamelessly mocked, repeatedly lied about, and cruelly defamed for his legitimate scientific research into the combination measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism in children.

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3. The established safety levels do not account for combining mercury with aluminum, which highly potentates toxicity. They are also the levels for drinking water, not injection into children. That, of course, will never be studied. Of course, the FDA says it's highly toxic in cosmetics, only safe to inject into your children!

About Whooping cough:

New research reported by Reuters reveals that whooping cough outbreaks are HIGHER among vaccinated children compared with unvaccinated children. This is based on a study led by Dr. David Witt, an infectious disease specialist at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM20120403

About Donald Trump: I didn't read the whole thing, but it seemed like he just said he has personally witnessed many children have horrendous reactions to vaccines and develop Autism. There are many scientists who have attempted to research this only to disappear or be defamed.

All the studies you are citing are from the industries themselves. And yes, I have seen the FDAs intelligent safety pages. Why don't you compare their vaccine safety info with some of their other claims?

At the same time that the FDA is warning about the dangers of mercury in cosmetics, however, the agency simultaneously insists that mercury in dental fillings and vaccines for children is just fine. Compare the FDA's page on Thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines (http://www.fda.gov) to the one on mercury in cosmetics (http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm294849.htm), and you will see the agency's blatant hypocrisy in the matter.

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Ya we probably should start a new topic if we want to keep going on this hehe.

stephenking said:

Lobelia can be eaten or smoked. Has anyone tried to vape it?

Indian tobacco helps smokers kick the habit and repair their lungs
http://www.naturalnews.com/035119_tobacco_lung_health_addiction.html

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That is in fact a LIE ..... Speaking of somebody with experience. It actually sure plus's past that of the medication. Not only does it get rid of the cravings and get nicotine out of immune system but it demolishes the thought for cigarettes you have entirely its self.

Don't believe me its all good I understand can not believe everything ya here and wouldn't blame this being put down our regardless denied and rejected.

I am a individual with High anxiety , Bipolar depression and few more disorders and when thought I was screwed and nothing would work and out of freaking luck with crappy smokes condemned to never get away from.

it gave me hope that there are endless other avenues between natural and etc not just stupid western medicine lame and limited and always having side affects.

To tell ya the truth however it did what said it did. I actually did not quitting smoking. I just changed what was smoking so I now have permanently transitioned over to electronic cigarettes with a liquid you smoke called eliquid with how referenced through web and what comes out considered to be vapor.

I get good drags and the strong pressure in throat like a cigarette would and absolutely love the flavors I smoke like orange , blueberry and have liked peach as well.

It was just recently discovered despite a lot of the old outdated crude on the internet referencing it as bad recently by scientist that is has officially been proven by america not to cause cancer and not second hand from it if anything a trace amount. Also non critical affects to health despite smoking nicotine called vapor production at least from these devices. They have nicotine volumes all the way from 18mg , 24 mg , 30 mg , 36 mg , and even 48 mg whatever a person desires and needs to satisfy themselves. If the white look like a cigarettes with stripes around it are crude to somebody they have over 15 devices at which one of them should suite the need of the individual whether its the need to have easy drag or get a lot of vapor and or getting a good pressure hit in throat.

Hope this becomes useful to somebody. I like to be helpful and like to be well on the informal side of things.

Sorry I was incorrect on the lie part non intention over lapped a part of note.

Eating it I don't know. Smoking it shouldn't be a issue apparently a lot of things can be smoked herbs etc I have done research browsing online and wouldn't doubt it.

However I did it under my tongue. Put about twenty drops barely stung and little coat under tongue from it. Nothing mind altering and or bad and or cost negative affects. Did not bother me and in fact that is I am sure why it worked so dang good for me. I definitely wouldn't suggest it if I thought it was bad and I don't and would suggest that way since do to results was from that method. Drinking in water though as indicates to do is weak as a mother freaker and lame. did not do crude for me one bit. Sorry mis over read a part.

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