Mitt Romney on Medical Marijuana
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momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
2clicker
Observer
move to korea...?
how about we fix the problems here instead of running away from them.
this country was stolen, then founded on slavery. our forfathers were pieces of shit that everyone thinks were great people. they werent.
greed does not motivate people to be better. it motivates people to lie, cheat, steal, an kill. yeah... thats just GREAT for this country.
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
lwien
Well-Known Member
Talk about trolling. I find it kind of odd that you would come into a pro-marijuana site that logic would dictate, would be "primarily" comprised of liberals, with a screen name of Tea Party and an avi of Rush Limbaugh. That would be like me going into a gun enthusiast site or an evangelical Christian site with a screen name of Liberal Lefty flying an avi of George Soros.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Yeah, but I don't want to attack him just because he has different views than I. He's entitled to those views, regardless of how much I may disagree with them, and I sure as hell wouldn't suggest that he move to a different country if I disagreed with him, such as he did. I just find it a bit odd that one would promote oneself based upon their political leanings unless they intentionally did so to create discourse and there's a name for desiring to do that.
sublimationpurist
formerly stephenking
Hehe, well I don't read much news or counter-news anymore if it doesn't directly relate to my health, so I'm not going to bother to dig up all the proof for you that the voting system is very dishonest. You may have been able to get away with dismissing these kind of arguments as "conspiracy theories" in the past, but now thanks to groups like wikileaks and infowars, most are now conspiracy facts. The documents proving these things have been leaked, what are you saying they were forged?
Here's a major example of theory turned fact thanks to wikileaks:
Our government plans to attack its own country to further its own agendas. (sound kinda like 9/11?) Documents were leaked that our government had plans to attack a US city to blame Castro and invade Cuba. This was at the White House level of government.
The elite (bill gates, big pharma etc.) controls the election, and pulls the strings on the puppets (president and congress).
I could fill a whole page with examples of conspiracy theories turned fact, but I'd rather not waste my time, it's already on the internet if your interested. Now I just like to try and focus on positive things instead, I feel that's more productive and better for everyone. And despite everything, I might still vote just in case it made some kind of difference.
MarcellusWiley
Dab Trotter
IMO Our country won't really get anywhere (REAL change) until we get term limits on the real politicians (Senate and House of Reps) and the Supreme Court. These people have absolutely no incentive to do anything but get re-elected by pandering to the people filling their pockets.
Need a "jury-style" system to pick federal legislators for 6 year periods or something. Something to take the money out of it and something to give the lawmakers an incentive to actually better the country they will be private citizens of again in a few years.
Seriously when Ted Kennedy died people acted like it was a horrible tragedy...the man sucked off the public tit for near half a century and we applaud him?
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on topic though - i'm Fiscally conservative, morally/socially liberal...Libertarian all the way. I really think most people these days would be in line with this thinking if the 2 party system wasn't so strong. People really need to vote for who they actually believe will help the country. Don't let people tell you your vote won't count or you'll be feeding right into the two party system... if Gary Johnson (Libertarian Candidate for President) gets 15% of the public opinion votes against the nominee's he could be up on the National Debate stage against them...wouldn't that be a huge win for our country!! Don't decide not to vote just because you hate both the main parties...really check out Gary Johnson especially if you support marijuana rights and other Libertarian ideals.
I love Ron Paul and if he was just a bit younger I could see him winning over a lot more of the country this year. (I love his son though, Rand Paul 2016?)
Need a "jury-style" system to pick federal legislators for 6 year periods or something. Something to take the money out of it and something to give the lawmakers an incentive to actually better the country they will be private citizens of again in a few years.
Seriously when Ted Kennedy died people acted like it was a horrible tragedy...the man sucked off the public tit for near half a century and we applaud him?
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on topic though - i'm Fiscally conservative, morally/socially liberal...Libertarian all the way. I really think most people these days would be in line with this thinking if the 2 party system wasn't so strong. People really need to vote for who they actually believe will help the country. Don't let people tell you your vote won't count or you'll be feeding right into the two party system... if Gary Johnson (Libertarian Candidate for President) gets 15% of the public opinion votes against the nominee's he could be up on the National Debate stage against them...wouldn't that be a huge win for our country!! Don't decide not to vote just because you hate both the main parties...really check out Gary Johnson especially if you support marijuana rights and other Libertarian ideals.
I love Ron Paul and if he was just a bit younger I could see him winning over a lot more of the country this year. (I love his son though, Rand Paul 2016?)
mrfloopa
Vappy
You know he's referring to 1962, right? It was called Operation Northwoods and, obviously, we never acted on it.
Ron Paul doesn't have enough good qualities to be president, as agreeable as a few of his stances may be. He isn't being treated very fairly, though, I'll give him that.
lwien
Well-Known Member
I had no idea. Wow...........must be livin' under a rock. Gotta get out more. Sorry, step.
I do find those documents odd though. When I was in the Air Force from 1968 thru '72, I held a Top Secret Cryptographic Clearance and worked as an Intercept Analyst. After tech school for one and half years, I spent a year in Pakistan near the Chineese/Russian border. Spent the reminder of the 4 years working at the NSA while being stationed in Forte Meade, Maryland.
The reason why I state that the documents look kind of strange is that EVERY document that is stamped Top Secret is also stamped with code word under the words Top Secret on every single page. In those documents, there were no code words stamped under Top Secret. If there were, they would have been redacted.
Secondly, they refer to Mig Planes. I have never seen a classified document that referred to aircraft in this way. There are always names and numbers assigned to aircraft. If as an example, they were talking about Mig-19, they would, as an example, refer to it as a Mig-19 Farmer, not just a Mig Plane, or even just a Mig-19.
Now granted, I'm talking about documents created and circulated within the Intelligence Community. They may differ outside of that community. Don't know, but to me, those things amongst a few others, really popped of the page.
But the even bigger thing is how could we even think that we could pull that off without being detected. I know what our intelligence capabilities were against the Russians back in those days, but I also knew that they kept their eyes and ears on us as well.
Also, any operational proposal would not only include operational targets and objectives, but would also, very clearly, state the risks, and a Russian response would be a big one. There was no mention of any risks, nor was the word Russia ever mentioned, and back in 1962, when talking about an operation such as this in Cuba, leaving out the Russian equation would be more than just a bit myopic.
I don't know. I'm not suggesting that those documents are not legit. I'm just stating that to me, from my experiences, it all seems just a bit odd.
Pulling off things like a lot of these conspiracy theories seems really logical on the surface, but in reality, to pull these things off, like in a movie, are a LOT harder to keep secret, especially those operations that are visible. I'd go as far to say that for most all of them, it would be impossible to be kept secret, especially in todays world. And if a creator of such thoughts really wants to pull something like this off, all they would have to do is consider the odds of getting caught, and more importantly, the consequences of getting caught, nulls out just about any kind of scenario, eh?
Anyway, just my rambling thoughts on all this stuff. That and some coin will buy you a stick of gum.
sublimationpurist
formerly stephenking
Obama claimed he supported medical marijuana too, and look what "he" is doing now. Big Pharma will never allow the government to accept marijuana (too much profit loss, and the CIA traffics illegal drugs for a massive profit). When was the last time a president did something they said they were going to do? It's the same every time, they tell people what their social "experts" tell them their target audience wants to hear, then once elected, take orders from the elite. This is a fascist dictatorship. Sometimes candidates will utilize brainwashing techniques as well, such as Obama with NeuroLinguistic Programming (NLP). Obama's "speech coach" is a master of NLP, look it up if you don't believe me. I think it's best to avoid the mainstream news to avoid elitist programming, and focus on the positive things in life. Nothings going to change by voting for someone. This is world-wide reality, not just here in the fascist states of america. For example, Europe is now directly run by the elite.
Last I checked, the latest plan in the works of our government is to stage a world wide economic collapse with their buddies in other countries to finally install the world government they've been dreaming up. They will then act like the saviors, installing a world government to "save" everyone. Everything is already in place for them to legally do so.
Anyhow, I think the best thing people can do is think positively and put healthy things into their bodies. All conventional produce is now sprayed with MSG. Over 90% of pesticides used on conventional produce is Agent Orange, the infamous Vietnam War bioweapon, supposedly illegal to be used in our country, now sprayed on our food. And mind you, they are spraying it on GMO food designed to uptake the poison and very effectively deliver it into your body. Eat only organic food, it's worth the higher price, and has much more vitamins and minerals anyway.
Agent Orange is actually comprised of two chemicals, both used as pesticides, but I'm pretty sure they don't spray them together, so it's healthy, right? (sarcasm)
turk
turk
....yeah he's entitled to his opinions....but he's also entitled to hear shit for them...he's really lucky I didn't weigh-in in on his trayon comment....because I really would have let him have it...
this country has moved inexorably to the the right ever since I've been walking....and yet the conditions for the poor/working folks has deteriorated proportionally....there's a connection....and no, term limits is NOT the answer....if you don't like someone vote them out...but arbitrary time constraints is NOT productive....that's one of the problems....we have lost institutional knowledge of events/times...many of the problems of this country can be depicted by two salient points....we have reduced all discusion to two alternatives...republican /democrat...over two thousand years of human "evolution" and we've reduced everything to just two opinions...this is not productive....
this country has moved inexorably to the the right ever since I've been walking....and yet the conditions for the poor/working folks has deteriorated proportionally....there's a connection....and no, term limits is NOT the answer....if you don't like someone vote them out...but arbitrary time constraints is NOT productive....that's one of the problems....we have lost institutional knowledge of events/times...many of the problems of this country can be depicted by two salient points....we have reduced all discusion to two alternatives...republican /democrat...over two thousand years of human "evolution" and we've reduced everything to just two opinions...this is not productive....
mrfloopa
Vappy
lwein, I just want to say, that's an awesome story from what sounds like an awesome life.
I had never really considered Northwoods a "conspiracy" theory, since it was declassified a long time ago and rejected by the Kennedy Administration, which might explain the lack of some of the specifics you've seen on classified documents and the lack of full planning/why it was't pulled off. I think it was more than somebody in government planned it at all. (Though, Russia knowing would be the least of their concerns in the event we did do it.. Do you really think anybody in the US would have believed Russia if they said it was us that attacked ourselves during the Cold War?) All that said, o. Northwoods does tend to be used in many conspiracy theories, and it doesn't take long before you start seeing some crazier ideas from the people who make that connection. I agree that we live in a time where these things are hard to hide, but wikileaks showed us a lot of things that had somehow remained hidden. And the government keeps going for more censorship laws on the internet and the power to just take down websites...
Turk is right, the way things are now just isn't productive to bettering life. I mean, people are convinced of ridiculous things: like education is a problem and not lack of control of rising tuition, far outpacing inflation even during this economic crisis. Education is associated with higher standards of living, economic growth, longer life expectancy, and more, and there are better ways to fix it than keep it only accessible to the richer folks who can afford it. But hey, that's all just liberal brainwashing.
I had never really considered Northwoods a "conspiracy" theory, since it was declassified a long time ago and rejected by the Kennedy Administration, which might explain the lack of some of the specifics you've seen on classified documents and the lack of full planning/why it was't pulled off. I think it was more than somebody in government planned it at all. (Though, Russia knowing would be the least of their concerns in the event we did do it.. Do you really think anybody in the US would have believed Russia if they said it was us that attacked ourselves during the Cold War?) All that said, o. Northwoods does tend to be used in many conspiracy theories, and it doesn't take long before you start seeing some crazier ideas from the people who make that connection. I agree that we live in a time where these things are hard to hide, but wikileaks showed us a lot of things that had somehow remained hidden. And the government keeps going for more censorship laws on the internet and the power to just take down websites...
Turk is right, the way things are now just isn't productive to bettering life. I mean, people are convinced of ridiculous things: like education is a problem and not lack of control of rising tuition, far outpacing inflation even during this economic crisis. Education is associated with higher standards of living, economic growth, longer life expectancy, and more, and there are better ways to fix it than keep it only accessible to the richer folks who can afford it. But hey, that's all just liberal brainwashing.
turk
turk
....the biggest fallacy in the american model right now is the mistaken perception that there are two distinct political parties....there aren't....the rich have two parties...our government has been bought and sold by the lobbyits/corporations....they could give a shit less about us, they want obedient docile, servants....smart enough to do the paperwork and buy their products, to dumb to question our ever diminishing "piece of the pie"...
2clicker
Observer
oh and btw.. judging "success" on how much money you make, what lifestyle you live or whatever is very American of you. materialism is so very American. look at all the reality shows about all the wealthy people... the reason there are so many of them is because sooooooooo many people watch them. they watch them to see what material shit others have that they do not. its kinda gross really. who fucking cares about those people?
success is an idea. it doesnt actually exist. its something thats just made up. people really put way too much stock into the idea of success. it drives me nuts. humans are so arrogant that we need shit like success to make us feel better about our lives. fuck that shit. the only success that i care about is whether my earth, family, friends, fellow Americans, and just plain fellow humans are alive and healthy. thats it.
success... is a joke
sublimationpurist
formerly stephenking
The environment can't take much more of the corporations. Lot's of major things are happening like mass amounts of animals dying, bee populations being wiped out etc. This needs to be peacefully resolved very soon.
We're running out of clean water very quickly. Bees pollinate the flowers, we don't have food if they die. They are being wiped out by corporate chemicals, radioactive pollen is common now too after Fukushima.
Phytoplankton dropped 40%! Without phytoplankton we have no energy or food. It is the base of the food chain.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=phytoplankton-population
I actually eat a few strains of phytoplankon, one has CoQ9 in it, likely related to your brain's synthesis of CoQ10.
We're running out of clean water very quickly. Bees pollinate the flowers, we don't have food if they die. They are being wiped out by corporate chemicals, radioactive pollen is common now too after Fukushima.
Phytoplankton dropped 40%! Without phytoplankton we have no energy or food. It is the base of the food chain.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=phytoplankton-population
I actually eat a few strains of phytoplankon, one has CoQ9 in it, likely related to your brain's synthesis of CoQ10.
sunsett70
Member
in modern times, the hollow definition of 'success' seems to be trending more in line with accumulation of material goods, as we are being shaped to be a consumer based society by the elites.
Not saying dollars aren't important but some people's definition may flow more towards 'internal peace' as success. When you have nobody to answer to, and you body, mind & spirit do not go hungry, and you're not in daily pain, it is genuine 'success' to some.