Vaporbrothers Vaporizer

mscm888

Well-Known Member
I love my hands free with EZ change whip. Cleaning the whip and changing the screen is a breeze. By itself the VB vaporizer is great but connected to my 500ml Roor it is superb.

I start a fresh whip at 10 o'clock on the temp dial and finish on 12 o'clock. Stir the herb every couple pulls and clean the screen after I dump the ABV. Pretty simple and much better for me than smoking.

This is my first vaporizer and my only regret is not getting the coffee color. Everything about it works great.
 
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vaporbrothers

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Manufacturer
Hello!... I can answer questions again. We were away from this forum for a long time while we took care of some serious poop back home. There were serious pressures in the industry to cheapen the vape and get it made in China. But we decided to bite the bullet and keep it in the US, making no friends in the process... Sorry guys, it's slow and expensive to make anything here. But we've also spent a bunch of time on new innovations which just manifested in the box (EZ, ceramic parts, etc) and totally new things you'll see some day hopefully soon. And we have an awesome bubbler in production now that is so simple it's pulls super easy and is perfect for vaporizing.

I love this forum... Ask me difficult questions please, if you guys see this. Happy vaporizing,

Linus V
Vaporbrothers Inc.
 
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Egzoset

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Wow! I do happen to like reading about the hard ones on occasions...

:D

Well, i guess i need to renew my opinion of all those wooden box vaporizers out there. Recently it came to my attention that one of those pretended to display measured temperature while in fact there was no thermocouple to sense it, so... My question is this, do you have a model equipped with real thermostatic regulation or is the whole line of products offering rheostats only?

Sorry for the mess...

:ninja:
 
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mscm888

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vaporbrothers said:
Hello!... I can answer questions again. We were away from this forum for a long time while we took care of some serious poop back home. There were serious pressures in the industry to cheapen the vape and get it made in China. But we decided to bite the bullet and keep it in the US, making no friends in the process... Sorry guys, it's slow and expensive to make anything here. But we've also spent a bunch of time on new innovations which just manifested in the box (EZ, ceramic parts, etc) and totally new things you'll see some day hopefully soon. And we have an awesome bubbler in production now that is so simple it's pulls super easy and is perfect for vaporizing.

I love this forum... Ask me difficult questions please, if you guys see this. Happy vaporizing,

Linus V
Vaporbrothers Inc.

I look forward to seeing what bubbler you have in production! :)
 
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vaporbrothers

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Manufacturer
Egzoset said:
Wow! I do happen to like reading about the hard ones on occasions...

:D

Well, i guess i need to renew my opinion of all those wooden box vaporizers out there. Recently it came to my attention that one of those pretended to display measured temperature while in fact there was no thermocouple to sense it, so... My question is this, do you have a model equipped with real thermostatic regulation or is the whole line of products offering rheostats only?

Sorry for the mess...

:ninja:

All the pretend displays we've analyzed so far don't connect to anything. They're just a number to make you happy. When we looked at how they worked, the power wasn't even changing gradually with the numbers. Anyway.. here's the deal with this kind of "passive flow convection vaporizer." In our experience, the wonderfully perfect hit does not occur at any one temperature. That's kind of a secret that we haven't shared with people until recently. During the inhale, the air temperature varies widely in our glass Whip, effectively clearing out a great amount of psychoactive chemicals from the herbs. Vaporizers with a specific set temperature give a really thin hit in my opinion, with a head space that is very one-track. Because... they're only evaporating one set of chemicals.. I find that using a really nice high end vaporizer with an accurate temperature control leaves me with a strange empty longing to followup with a smoke, or to finish off with my own vap.

As for the way we control temperature, it's still rather secret how it works exactly, but it's a very simple way of keeping the temp within bounds. Neither rheostat nor thermostat.. More like a trick in physics & electronics. It's why we cost 1/3 of vaporizers that have precise temperature control. We want to be way more affordable and hit better. Does that help?
 
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Robob

Veteran Vaporist
They alter the cycles of current going to the heating element using a proprietary algorithm I assume. Which keeps temps within a set range depending where you have the potentiometer on the front.

Personally I have the very first vaporbrothers model. Got it in college in 07 or 08, still works awesome to this day, just need to soak the glass every now and then, and be sure not to move the unit while it's hot.

As for knowing ur temps I used a laser thermometer to find 330 and 430 and marked on the wood with an exact-o knife so I know my hi and low bounds for the unit.

I like how VB keeps the vapes without bells and whistles, they def work every time
 
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Egzoset

Banned
Hi Vaporbrothers,
Hi Robob,

I thank you both for the replies. I guess my question is this:

Would i find a thermocouple (and/or temperature sensor) inside if i were to split it open?...

:peace:
 
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Robob

Veteran Vaporist
Ive never had to open mine, but it looks like it is just a heater element wrapped around an all glass tube, which is then hooked to a PCB board that handles the control of said element.

Mine is very old Hands free model but has great craftsmanship and I have also used a newer one and it seems as the dedication to quality has only improved. *knock on wood* my old heater element keeps working, the newer heater is supposed to hold more even temp and is more rugged
 

VapeSpace

Active Member
Welcome back Vaporbrothers, glad to see you posting in here. Egzoset's question got me to thinking about the actual wood box itself. How does yours compare with the other wood vape boxes on the market? Can you share what type of wood your boxes are made from and do you happen to know what types of wood the other guys use?
 
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jeffp

psychonaut/retired
How do you guys deal with the concern about herb falling out of the wand prior to first inhalation (before it gets sticky)? Do any of you lay the unit on its side or upside down to alter the angle of the heater?
My solution, and I've posted about this, is to rest the VB upon a mousepad with wrist support.
This raises up the back end about an inch which resolves the concern and the stability is retained that would be otherwise lost if you used a book or something that could slide.

The VB, while appearing to be unassuming and old school, quite simply hits like a motherfucker, and the company provides excellent warranty service.
 

Robob

Veteran Vaporist
I use a pencil that has a metal end cap instead of an eraser to tamp everything down and to stir.
Grind well and use the whip like a vacuum to pick up material before u tamp it.
 

blackbur

Well-Known Member
How do you guys deal with the concern about herb falling out of the wand prior to first inhalation (before it gets sticky)? Do any of you lay the unit on its side or upside down to alter the angle of the heater?
My solution, and I've posted about this, is to rest the VB upon a mousepad with wrist support.
This raises up the back end about an inch which resolves the concern and the stability is retained that would be otherwise lost if you used a book or something that could slide.

The VB, while appearing to be unassuming and old school, quite simply hits like a motherfucker, and the company provides excellent warranty service.

I used to load it up and then pack it down with a wooden dowel like this.
Light-Hardwood-Dowel_large.jpg


It worked very well, If i wanted to expose more surface area i would occasionally stir with a bamboo skewer.
 

Robob

Veteran Vaporist
Sup blackbur, just wanted to say thanks for the good solo vids u put up on youtube, was a deciding factor when I bought mine.
Ty for taking the time
 
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reloader

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I also pack it down, and I rarely lose herb. I agree about how good the VB works and like you said their service is top notch. My heating element stopped working about a year ago, they fixed it and had it back quick. Great Company!
 

vaporbrothers

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Modnote: 5 posts merged.

They alter the cycles of current going to the heating element using a proprietary algorithm I assume. Which keeps temps within a set range depending where you have the potentiometer on the front.

Personally I have the very first vaporbrothers model. Got it in college in 07 or 08, still works awesome to this day, just need to soak the glass every now and then, and be sure not to move the unit while it's hot.

As for knowing ur temps I used a laser thermometer to find 330 and 430 and marked on the wood with an exact-o knife so I know my hi and low bounds for the unit.

I like how VB keeps the vapes without bells and whistles, they def work every time

Nice! You do have our one and only model, but we started the angled box vaporizer in 2000 or 2001 back when we had to educate people what a vaporizer does. Your 07 or 08 model is way more kick ass than the earliest versions on account of the more robust temp control, certified lead free electronics, and pure ceramic heater with zero metal in the hot zone. What else... better glass joints.

Good job finding the temperature- So far, I've only had success with the laser measuring the temperature of a surface, NOT the actual air temperature going through the herbs. But the temp you found is pretty much the same range we measured inside the herbal material.

Hi Vaporbrothers,
Hi Robob,

I thank you both for the replies. I guess my question is this:

Would i find a thermocouple (and/or temperature sensor) inside if i were to split it open?...

:peace:

No thermocouple inside, but you won't find the temperature sensor if you tried! Btw, a thermocouple plus the circuitry req'd would push the cost really high. Volcano uses one.

Welcome back Vaporbrothers, glad to see you posting in here. Egzoset's question got me to thinking about the actual wood box itself. How does yours compare with the other wood vape boxes on the market? Can you share what type of wood your boxes are made from and do you happen to know what types of wood the other guys use?

The laminate (plywood) is baltic birch from Russian & European suppliers. We have to use the baltic birch because anything from China or the US out gasses chemicals when heated. Europe's regulations make their products "low VOC." By the way, the situation with wood sold in the US is really heinous because China can't sell their worst plywood to Europe, so they sell extra bad stuff to countries that don't have strict regulations, like the US. Look up what happened in the thousands of FEMA trailers after Katrina.. People got sick from the plywood- and it wasn't even heated.

The solid wood on the front and back is:
Cedar sustainably grown in Tennessee - in boxes produced from '00 to '05ish, and since 2009
Exotic "Rosewood" (that's a generic term- not the endangered Rosewood) - used '05-'09

The other guys are all China stuff as far as I know. Not to say that all Chinese wood is full of chemicals. They are big in to green-eco products as well. But for a price.

By the way, the finish matters also. The answer again is European materials vs Chinese.

Thanks for all the interest in what matters!!

~Linus

How do you guys deal with the concern about herb falling out of the wand prior to first inhalation (before it gets sticky)? Do any of you lay the unit on its side or upside down to alter the angle of the heater?
My solution, and I've posted about this, is to rest the VB upon a mousepad with wrist support.
This raises up the back end about an inch which resolves the concern and the stability is retained that would be otherwise lost if you used a book or something that could slide.

The VB, while appearing to be unassuming and old school, quite simply hits like a motherfucker, and the company provides excellent warranty service.

Thanks! That it hits like a mofo is why we're still here going strong despite so many fancy vapes hitting the market and then disappearing. I had a major distributor tell me last week he can't stand to use any of the $250 & up vaporizers that he sells. Exceptions- Zephyr, SSV, and a few others.

As for the herb falling out, we hear people say they tilt the vaporizer down. Personally, hear most people inhale before I connect the Whip, so nothing falls out. I use a tool to tamp the herbs down onto the screen.

We could have designed the heating element more horizontal, but the wood box would overheat and need a lot of vents. And the vape slides across the table very easily. It's easier just to deal for now.

I love all the support from you guys!!

~Linus V.
 
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jeffp

psychonaut/retired
VB, this is, I feel, the "for now" solution and the pairing of the unit on top of the mousepad looks visually cool, I think. I agree that the angle is a minor issue if at all and certainly can be dealt with in many simple creative ways.

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nao12000

W9 Tech Rep
Company Rep
wow nice to see a you here Linus!! :tup: We appreciate all the information on the vaporizer.. I am a long time fan of the Vaporbrothers. I have a question about my unit I love to use the aroma bowl and make the room smell nice with my essential oils. Is it ok to do that or am I slowly killing my heater by constantly keeping it on??
 
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VapeSpace

Active Member
Hey Linus, thanks for the reply. Another question with regards to the actual box. Unlike other box brands that offer multiple colors for their boxes, your Coffee vapes costs a bit more than the Natural. Is there a reason for this? Extra production steps?
 
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vaporbrothers

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Manufacturer
Anyone else get the new ceramic screens?

I think there are some threads earlier about the ceramic screen. It makes the cleanest tasting hit I've ever had. The holes pass some material through when the screen is new. Personally, I prefer to catch the junk that comes through by using a metal screen in the other side of the silicone Grip, downstream of the ceramic.

VaporWarehouse has the new bubbler up. Not the greatest photo. Looks like it's a mini clear precision hydrator? The clear precision is pretty small to begin with, not sure how small this new one is.

The pic sucks but we just took some new ones so soon...
The mini is only slightly smaller, but more simple. Mouthpiece is permanent. This is a vapor-specific bubbler. Optimized for vapor means- small, not a lot of water capacity, simple one piece (does not break apart for cleaning), very open & unrestricted airflow.

Hey Linus, thanks for the reply. Another question with regards to the actual box. Unlike other box brands that offer multiple colors for their boxes, your Coffee vapes costs a bit more than the Natural. Is there a reason for this? Extra production steps?

@nao12....
For aroma or vapor, it's fine to leave it on. They're designed to stay on forever without overheating. The heater will thank you for not being put through a stressful on-off cycle anyway.

@vapespace
We would do more colors but it's hard to find ones that don't stink when they get hot. The Coffee costs more because it is more steps to make the finish nice. It's the same Euro-low VOC polyurethane as the Natural, but laid up in layers & polished similar to a "piano finish"
 
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GratefulVapor

Phish Head
I've been unable to medicate the past 3 days. this is VERY frustrating! I'm highly allergic to dust; & I believe(not 100% positive) I inhaled a small amount last time I used my vape; as I could barely breathe for approx 2.5 hrs after 2 hits. Hit lightly a 3rd time; same reaction. Havn't used it since; because O2 comes first. Am purchasing a new vape, ASAP, if I cant figure a way to use this[too bad I have to wait, forever, on the cloud]. I have been running my VB through bubblers for a long time(started w/ one of yalls hydrators). The Problem is: I didn't think it that big of deal, & dust collected on the raised area of desk where my VB sits. I procrastinated dusting my desk & the VB grabs its fresh air from the bottom(aka the surface). Its likely to pull up dust along with it correct(into the airpath)? Especially since I kinda stirred it up by tilting it to attach the whip? Also now I look into the unit, and there seems to be little particulates stuck on the white-ceramic heating element.

What should I do..was this a freak occurance? Can I still use my VB(granted, on a much cleaner surface!). If so, what/how do I go about cleaning it? I have owned two, & never had problems in the past. Now I can't even use it, so afraid of it... uhg. I hope you can help. I know this is 'my fault' for using it on a semi-dusty surface..but please a little sympathy for a long time customer(& VB fan)? Any help is appreciated(whether its the official VaporBrothers member, or just a fellow owner)! Thanks .. want to medicate. :uhoh:
 
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vaporbrothers

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I've been unable to medicate the past 3 days. this is VERY frustrating! I'm highly allergic to dust; & I believe(not 100% positive) I inhaled a small amount last time I used my vape; as I could barely breathe for approx 2.5 hrs after 2 hits. Hit lightly a 3rd time; same reaction. Havn't used it since; because O2 comes first. Am purchasing a new vape, ASAP, if I cant figure a way to use this[too bad I have to wait, forever, on the cloud]. I have been running my VB through bubblers for a long time(started w/ one of yalls hydrators). The Problem is: I didn't think it that big of deal, & dust collected on the raised area of desk where my VB sits. I procrastinated dusting my desk & the VB grabs its fresh air from the bottom(aka the surface). Its likely to pull up dust along with it correct(into the airpath)? Especially since I kinda stirred it up by tilting it to attach the whip? Also now I look into the unit, and there seems to be little particulates stuck on the white-ceramic heating element.

What should I do..was this a freak occurance? Can I still use my VB(granted, on a much cleaner surface!). If so, what/how do I go about cleaning it? I have owned two, & never had problems in the past. Now I can't even use it, so afraid of it... uhg. I hope you can help. I know this is 'my fault' for using it on a semi-dusty surface..but please a little sympathy for a long time customer(& VB fan)? Any help is appreciated(whether its the official VaporBrothers member, or just a fellow owner)! Thanks .. want to medicate. :uhoh:

Thanks for giving me a lot of leeway here to help.. You could have just blamed a ton of stuff on us and leave it at that. I appreciate it! Here's what I can do.. An explanation, a caveat, & a suggestion.

Air path is primarily through the front of the unit and not off the table. Regardless, we find the dust inhaled is the same as if you inhaled the air in the room.. albeit near the table. Some dust is filtered out by the herbs in the bowl and the sticky inside walls of the Whip & tube. With your condition in mind, it seems necessary to blow the unit out periodically, and keep surfaces around your room clean. We didn't put a filter in the VB partially because they add a taste to the vapor. Seems like you need an extra level of protection though.

Watch the herb also. It is often dirty, slightly moldy, covered in chemicals, etc... all sorts of stuff that could bother anybody's respiratory system. The most substance coming up the tube to be inhaled is the herb & it's adulterants- not dust from the room or the vap itself. The crazy reaction you got this week could very well be a hygiene issue with the herb producer.

Suggestion: use a carbon filter + cotton ball. The one by McFinn has been proven to remove most the dust, microorganisms, and pesticides. It was developed for medical patients who can't afford to inhale any particulates.

One more fyi- the particulates you saw stuck to the heater are just bits of ceramic that migrate around at the high temperatures on the surface. We tested them directly and found only completely inorganic ceramic material. They form over months & years, so they are much less material than the dust that's commonly in the air.

You're welcome to email us@vaporbrothers.com for more advice.
 
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Wrongo

Member
I got my third Vapor Brothers this past September (first two given away). I've been using VB since '08, and I've got the method down pat. This version, however, seems to run at a much higher temp than the older ones (since the first use). Even on the absolute lowest possible setting the herb goes from green to dark brown in just a few seconds. I'm not sure if it's defective, or if it's just the way they make them nowadays.

I'm really tired of sending vapes in for returns and repairs, and I was wondering if I could just hook it up to a lamp dimmer cord to regulate the heat?

EDIT: I think the problem may be that it can't cool down. Usually I start around 9 o'clock on the dial, but this time I started at the lowest setting and kept it there. It seems to work better, but it still seems strange that the low end range of the heat scale is so narrow.
 
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