Am i unfit to think about dropping acid atm?

weedemon said:

lwien, based on what my friend has told me would you say this sounds like the real deal? does it taste metallic? can you fall asleep the next day at least?

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It's been a long time.......like 35 years ago so I don't really remember any taste at all, but regarding sleep, for me, the high lasted about 8 hours and I was able to go to sleep as soon as I came down. I've NEVER not been able to sleep within a 24 hour period when on acid..........ever.

There are many thing that are sold as lsd on blotts.. I've tried pure 2c family members and DOM , and i can say that i've met those compounds sold as LSD blotts or even in XTC pills.. Lsd has no taste but its noticeably acidic .. so if your lips get dry and burnt.. there's 80-90% chance its LSD.. If it feels metalic its probably some of Shulgin's children

lwien said:

weedemon said:

lwien, based on what my friend has told me would you say this sounds like the real deal? does it taste metallic? can you fall asleep the next day at least?

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It's been a long time.......like 35 years ago so I don't really remember any taste at all, but regarding sleep, for me, the high lasted about 8 hours and I was able to go to sleep as soon as I came down. I've NEVER not been able to sleep within a 24 hour period when on acid..........ever.

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this is a good point to make. while i find myself unable to sleep during the trip, i am always able to fall asleep after the main effects have subsided. HOWEVER, i usually end up taking my doses in the evening, so the effects will usually last until the early hours of the next day.

weedemon said:

lwien, based on what my friend has told me would you say this sounds like the real deal? does it taste metallic? can you fall asleep the next day at least?

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I can almost guarentee that was not LSD.

It is much more likely that it was a DOx drug like I posted before.

For one, LSD is 100% tasteless and odorless.
You can dissolve it in alcohol as a solvent which can add a bitter taste, but it wouldn't be metallic.

DOx chemicals DO have a taste that is like a bitter-ish metal.
Also, because LSD is a psychedelic and DOx are psychedelic amphetamine, that would definitely explain why he had trouble sleeping even the NEXT night (residuals can last extremely long)

So little people know about DOx chemicals who just take street acid that manufacturers can get away with it.

It makes mushrooms a much safer psychedelic alternative, even if LSD is much more fun, imo.

(just for clarification i've taken a DOx without knowing about 2-3 times out of a total of a dozen or two acid trips)

SD_haze said:

For one, LSD is 100% tasteless and odorless.

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Yup. I don't remember any taste or odor.

SD_haze said:

It makes mushrooms a much safer psychedelic alternative, even if LSD is much more fun, imo.

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Agreed.

Out of all the psychedelics I tried, from fresh shrooms to fresh peyote to mescaline and psilocybin caps, acid was my psychedelic of choice.

Shrooms can be diseased with various pests that can kill you.. So even buying street shrooms , or pickin wild one (they can grow next to poisonous species).. Buy street weed is dangerous for you health too because they dont care bout quality they just press it all with mold and bugs.. and sometimes its hard to notice .. expecially on stinky strains.. And 99% of them are not doing the 2 week flush before harvest in order not to loose weight.. and you get all the fertilizers and pesticides that are sprayed on them..
So for me DOX,2cx or LSD are much safer .. and its not that hard to get your hand on a testing kit.. if you wanna know the truth bout what you are doing..
I love HWBR too but you gotta buy the real seeds (the expensive one fratal AAA strain) because they spray the most with various pesticides ..
The safest shroom i tried is the Amanita muscaria (fly agaric) .. Imo it is poisonous in no way... I've eaten like 5 with 15 cm diameter caps ( i eat only the red skin on top ,other stuff i find it hard for my stomack) i have even tried vaporizing amanita extact on damiana and it worked fine...

Who thinks that droppin acid should be mandatory in order to improve people's brains and hearts ?

Should I take LSD?
A very good question. The decision is not one to be taken lightly. LSD is no arbitrary street drug. It was used for nearly two decades in experimental psychotherapy in clinical conditions. One of the pioneers of this LSD Psychotherapy in the sixties was Dr. Stanislav Grof. The Czechoslovakian doctor made some interesting observations on the responses of different people to LSD. This may help your decision.
Grof observed that people who react badly to LSD are often: "in their everyday life... constantly concerned about maintaining perfect control over their feelings and behavior. They are afraid of temporary or permanent unleashing of instinctual energies, especially those of a sexual or aggressive nature, and of involuntary emotional outbursts. There is frequent preoccupation with the issue of loss of control and fear of social embarrassment, blunder and public scandal resulting from the ensuing behavior." (LSD Psychotherapy, Stanislav Grof (Hunter House, 1980) p. 55)
Most dangerous, however, are those who feel they have "few alternatives left in life" and are gripped with a "potentially dangerous eagerness and strong motivation to have a psychedelic session." He explains: "They find themselves in a subjectively unbearable situation of intense conflict associated with great emotional distress and tension. Typical characteristics include serious questioning of the meaning of life, toying with suicidal fantasies, and a careless and risky approach to various life-situations in general... In their fantasy LSD becomes the magic tool that will give them instant relief, either by mediating a miraculous cure or by precipitating self-destruction." (LSD Psychotherapy, Stanislav Grof (Hunter House, 1980) p. 56)

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This is quoted from 'The Good Drugs Guide.Com' Everyone will have opinions about such sites information, especially when it's surrounded by adverts for addiction services, but from the little I've read of it I think it's actually fairly balanced, researched and supported and informative in many areas, although I disagree with some others.

OK, my friend came over last night and he read all your comments, we went on erowid and looked up DOB, c an i.

only DOb had an entry for effects, but my friend agreed that this sounds more like what he was on than acid should have been like.

Thank you for all sharing your experiences and insight! I am really glad i didn't take the tab! My days of amphetamine use are long over (I only ever tired that particular drug once before thank fully the dealer had run out when i went back for more. [who knows what would have happened to me if he hadn't run out!]). Much appreciated!

(i never knew psychedelic versions existed though. Only the standard crystal is what i knew of.)

weedemon said:

OK, my friend came over last night and he read all your comments, we went on erowid and looked up DOB, c an i.

only DOb had an entry for effects, but my friend agreed that this sounds more like what he was on than acid should have been like.

Thank you for all sharing your experiences and insight! I am really glad i didn't take the tab! My days of amphetamine use are long over (I only ever tired that particular drug once before thank fully the dealer had run out when i went back for more. [who knows what would have happened to me if he hadn't run out!]). Much appreciated!

(i never knew psychedelic versions existed though. Only the standard crystal is what i knew of.)

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Those DOX amphetamines are no like the one your are talking about . This are not the traditional amphetamines like benzedrine .. Those DOx are active even in smaller doses than LSD.. which also mimics some of the amphetamines effects..
As long as for your tab give it to someone who will like it.. DOx , 2cb and other halluciogens are by no means crap dope... The same shit was told bout LSD for years... till the studies showed little to no harmful effects..

Honestly if u need to write a post questioning if you should experience LSD, then it's probably a bad idea because you obviously have doubts, hallucinogens like LSD and shrooms are best done when one is fully i'n the mood and feels it's a great idea, secondly unless your a seasoned regular user of these drugs i'n no way are they the best for dealing with problems, better for a carefree escape where u think about nothing complicated and u simply enjoy it, if your mOod I'd bad a good chance the trip will be bad.

Abysmal Vapor said:

Who thinks that droppin acid should be mandatory in order to improve people's brains and hearts ?

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I would be really surprised if ANYONE here agreed with that statement.

lwien said:

Abysmal Vapor said:

Who thinks that droppin acid should be mandatory in order to improve people's brains and hearts ?

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I would be really surprised if ANYONE here agreed with that statement.

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Not that I agree but we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

eddyfrancis said:

lwien said:

Abysmal Vapor said:

Who thinks that droppin acid should be mandatory in order to improve people's brains and hearts ?

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I would be really surprised if ANYONE here agreed with that statement.

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Not that I agree but we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

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We shouldn't? Why?

There are cultures that have similar practices, although with naturally occurring hallucinogens not acid. Just my opinion.

eddyfrancis said:

There are cultures that have similar practices, although with naturally occurring hallucinogens not acid. Just my opinion.

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He was talking about acid, not naturally occurring hallucinogens that some cultures use traditionally.

Suggesting that we should keep an open mind to the following question, "Who thinks that droppin acid should be mandatory in order to improve people's brains and hearts ?", is, in my opinion, approaching the realm of lunacy.

To many people it may not be lunacy. I'm not trying to start an argument.

eddyfrancis said:

To many people it may not be lunacy. I'm not trying to start an argument.

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To many people, crashing airliners into the World Trade Center wasn't lunacy either. Does that mean that I should reserve judgement on that action?

Just because "some" may think that a particular action or question may not be in the realm of lunacy doesn't mean that it shouldn't be judged by me or anyone else.

You say, "....we shouldn't be so quick to judge.", and I say that anytime we come across something that is totally abhorrent, it SHOULD be judged.

So here's my judgement. ANYONE who thinks that dropping acid for EVERYONE should be MANDATORY because they think it will be good for their "heads and hearts", should have their head examined. Either they are delusional or they are totally ignorant to the affects of lysergic acid.

i know this is a thread about lsd. but wanted to share last night's shroom findings.

was kind of a slow picking night, was out there for an hour and only found about 73g fresh. which will dry to be about 7g. still no complaints, free gifts from nature. appeared someone had harvested part of the field, which i was upset about, but then i got to remembering what my parents taught me about sharing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdPrcYYs5yQ

note: i am not talking in the vid, if you hear any muffled sounds or voices its the tv.

florida shroom hunting is soooo fun.

p.s. edit: i just read up a little bit, because i guess i missed the arguing party, i totally disagree that everyone and their grandmother should take lsd at least once in their life. truthfully, you should let people decide what they want to do and to be completely honest, there are many people that should never ever touch psychedelics.

Weedemon, sorry to here your friend had a fake acid blotter. its more common these days to find a fake blotter then a real one. if youre in a nice hot climate with good humidity, id go try to find some shrooms. ive always found shrooms more spiritual and magical then lsd anyways, not to mention they are natural and the kind i pick are 100% safe and nontoxic.

Abysmal Vapor said:

Shrooms can be diseased with various pests that can kill you.. So even buying street shrooms , or pickin wild one (they can grow next to poisonous species).. Buy street weed is dangerous for you health too because they dont care bout quality they just press it all with mold and bugs.. and sometimes its hard to notice .. expecially on stinky strains.. And 99% of them are not doing the 2 week flush before harvest in order not to loose weight.. and you get all the fertilizers and pesticides that are sprayed on them..
So for me DOX,2cx or LSD are much safer .. and its not that hard to get your hand on a testing kit.. if you wanna know the truth bout what you are doing..
I love HWBR too but you gotta buy the real seeds (the expensive one fratal AAA strain) because they spray the most with various pesticides ..
The safest shroom i tried is the Amanita muscaria (fly agaric) .. Imo it is poisonous in no way... I've eaten like 5 with 15 cm diameter caps ( i eat only the red skin on top ,other stuff i find it hard for my stomack) i have even tried vaporizing amanita extact on damiana and it worked fine...

Who thinks that droppin acid should be mandatory in order to improve people's brains and hearts ?

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no offense bro, but do you have some sources for your misinformation? ive been picking and eating wild psilocybe cubensis and panaelous cyanescens since i was 14 and im 22 now and have never had any toxicity issues or any "pests" that can kill me. worst ive come across was a maggot or two, but people in other countries eat those all the time, i remove them if there are any at all. also, shrooms aren't going to leech toxins from another species. also, ive never seen another species of mushrooms growing on the same colony as the cubensis im looking for. they might be near it on another cow patty, but ive never seen cubensis and non active mushrooms on the same colony. i also wanted to point out that if you wash your field picks, know for a fact what you have is the right kind, youre essentially eating super organic mushrooms from the grocery store, super organic mushrooms, that make you go on journies.

Mandatory to take lsd to improve your brain and heart? perhaps you should do some more reading on the subject. there are plenty of people out there that take lsd for the first time, lose their shit, and are never the same again. ive seen this first hand.

not trying to bash you friend, just hate when people spread misinformation.

so much more i want to say but i feel ive rambled enough for the day. if anyone wants anymore info on these subjects, feel free to email me. you can find my email to the left of this post.

p.s. wow wow wow wow, i totally missed the part of your post where you said amanita muscaria is nontoxic in your opinion. yet you find psilocybe cubensis from the fields to be dangerous.

^^^^^^ thats fucking crazy for you to think that. the danger aspect between cubensis and amanitas are vast. ive never heard of anyone dying on cubensis, but people do die on amanitas.

you need to go back to psychedelic school, its obvious you missed a few classes or were asleep durring class.

Lol ... Dude.. If you havent come across diseased mushrooms..they for sure do not exist..and are not posionous .. or molds.. (especially home grown.. by noobs who are trying to make some cash...) And overviewing bout over 50 subjects on various halluciogens.. my oppinion has more weight than your experience on pickin wild cubensis..Cubensis is not the only mushroom that worths eating.. Its 2/10 on strenght compared to some species.. I have encountered more people bad tripping on shrooms than on lsd.. Possible reasons.. More body load + stomack discomfort with shrooms.. i think the lsd usual dose was bout 30 micrograms.. I have made my research on brain effects.. and other shit.. I work with numbers every day... after takin acid so many time i have improved my mathematical skills because of being able to get those number visualized.. It helped me a lot to understand a few complex matrix..
As long for amanitas... LOL you must go to psychadelic school .. I've eaten 4 big ones with no problem or toxic feeling.. u just have to keep diet and know how to consume them... See those guys dude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJLfMt4ANn0 They eat kilograms of it...
If you are so scared of amanitas u can bake them on 175 C and the intoxicating muscimol converts in to the muscarin but that alters the effect significantly..
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=24001
Here is a trip report..
If you have any question of safe drug consumption.. thats my specialty... I am not a fan of the puke-a-rama i prefer visualizations and stimulation..

So many bad trippers are spreading misinformation... And the worst thing before takin some shit is reading some scareass noobs bad trips.. Drugs are not for everyone.. they enhance perception of you self.. And you can sense your personality in stronger way.. Many dont like themselves on halluciogens.. because they dont like their life in general.. or are realizing that they are doing something wrong...
So i stand for all i said ... I just may add that DRUGS ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE....
There are people that are managing to damage their brains with crap food ,coffee and other cheapo's ..
I feel those shit more intoxicating than datura and bella donna...
I have friends who badtrip on weed but like LSD and SALVIA... Its a matter of taste/./
For those who fear lsd are do not hate essential oils smell .. The oilhuascas are very good lsd and mescalin alternatives..
I confirm psycho-activity and no toxic effect of the following.. I did some of them yesterday with 5 friends everyone takin different caps..
Its called oilhuasca cause it need potentiators and enzymes to make it work.
I prefer capsules because taste is too strong for me..
For those i tried workin potentiators are German camomile 5 g tea 30 minutes before the oil .. or 5-10 drops..
Cinnamon oil 5-10 drops
Camomile oil 5-10 drops
Cayenne pepper 500-1000 mg ( piperanzine? )
Passion flower (low dose)
Cat claw (mao-b)
Corriander oil
Oils that work for sure..
Elemi oil (Very close to mescalin and lsd) effective only with Camomile , cinnamon can substitute or further increase effects.
Clary sage oil active even whitout potentiators but they still make it more visual . Again elemicin + other stuff that is psychoactive
Sweet basil oil Methyl Eugenol (Just like good old days X) Converts to Methoxyamphetamine in the body. Works whitout potentiators but they are still beneficial and can double the pleasure .
Dill oil - Dillapiole ( definetly psychoactive did it for first time.. )
Pasley oil - Elemicin + Mystyrcin ( like in nutmeg oil)

Search the forum for better and more accurate info .. This is some pleasurable aromatherapy
http://herbs.maxforum.org/
http://herbs.maxforum.org/2010/12/22/the-psychoactive-effects-of-sweet-basil-oil/
http://herbs.maxforum.org/forum/cat...asca-elemicin-safrole-and-other-allylbezenes/
I am using Elemi oil and Basil oil since 3 years.. There is a tolerance build up and cross tolerance .. which means that takin either one of the them raises tolerance on both.. which usualy drops in 4 -7 days.. Don't abuse or you will find no use

If you dont have teachers or shamans around where you live... you can always search the huge internet data base..
Dig into
Bluelight.ru
Shroomery.org
DMT-nexus.me
www.entheogen.com
erowid.org and many more..
That is pretty much the psychadelic online school...

Sry for the type-o's and the grammar ..
Use only steam distilled 100% psychadelic stuff and check the FDA edibility of essential oils at herbmax

So have been a "multi to all drugs" consumer & abuser between my 13 years old and my adulthood. And I'm talking daily between my 18 and 25... Nothing to be proud of and I'M CERTAINLY NOT DOING PROSELYTISM AT ALL on the subject! I am now very "reasonable" and have answered most of my introspective questions & my youngster's huge curiosity on the subject!

Everything said here is quite true: wait for the good mind state or at least make sure your natural curiosity and your desire of knowledge will be superiors to your actual stresses and fears. Also make sure you are informed about the product and well supported during the expereience; its pro's and con's; its possible side effects, the length of the trip... Be in a good physical condition too: eat, sleep and drink good stuff in a good way before, during and after...and everything should go on smooth!

I'd be hesitant to give anyone advice on this if they have experienced it before, it's too personal of a decision, and you already know, in general, what to expect.

As someone who once took a lot of the stuff, and hasn't for 15+ years, the idea of trying it again kinda scares the crap outta me for some reason though, hehe.

gobbly said:

As someone who once took a lot of the stuff, and hasn't for 15+ years, the idea of trying it again kinda scares the crap outta me for some reason though, hehe.

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So very very true. I used to drop acid like it was breakfast. I once took 23 hits of white blotter at once! Although at that time I felt I had complete control over the drug. Which I really did. Now its been almost 10 years since I've done any psychedelic and I wouldn't even think about doing one. I did my share, and a few other people's shares. Im good now It def scares the crap outta me now!

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djonkoman said:

I'm no expert(only took truffles once, and recently mdma, but that's no hallucinogen/psychedelic)

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i just wanted to point out that 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine aka MDMA is a psychedelic amphetamine. so it is actually a psychedelic. which is why everyone brings glowsticks and such to raves so they can watch the "psychedelic tracers" come off them.

if i were you, id stay clear away from mdma, almost everyone ends up abusing it, and the neurotoxicity involved is crazy. obviously not gonna kill you from a few uses, but ive seen people really fuck themselves up on it, serotonin syndrome, feeling like they were gonna die for weeks, just keep it a rarity if you decide to dabble with it again. i went kinda crazy on it durring my synthetic drug days, not to say i didnt love it, its just not worth the damage.

also theres a huge problem here in florida with people selling various research chemicals as real mdma. if you do decide to dabble with e-pills or pure mdma for that matter you should look into buying a test kit to see if it really is the real deal. also, not gonna give the site out but if you google "pill reports" there is a huge list of all the popular pressed pills being circulated and whats truely in them. ive tested a few in my day and its scary that sometimes they wouldnt even contain much mdma, if any at all. there is plenty of other nasty shit out there people put in in place of mdma, its really gross. if youre gonna do it, buy pure mdma and test it. (not trying to encourage drug use, just trying to educate people for safer drug use if they choose to) its not like with weed where its obivous to tell its real weed, just because someone says its something doesnt make it so, sometimes the supplier doesnt even know they have fakes or other nasty shit cut in their supply.

not trying to sound like your daddy, just trying to enlighten yourself on the subject or anyone else that stumbles onto this post.

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Thanks for the info.

I have never used MDMA but you're right that many people do wind up abusing it or don't just wind up doing it a few times like they say they will and instead use a lot of it. I'm not saying everyone who takes it abuses it but I have met very few people who didn't wind up taking MDMA regularly or even just on weekends when they had easy access to it, yes people can take it a few times as I have friends who have done this but like you said they wanted to keep it to a rarity and did this on purpose.

MDA actually interests me more than MDMA but I've never taken either of them or any MDx chems.

I have friends who have taken MDMA and they told me how it's basically like Psilocybin mushrooms except you trip a lot harder and see a lot more visuals while on mushrooms and you don't really get this from MDMA, but sometimes you can from MDA.

As for the OP I know the thread is very old but if he or she was sad about breaking up with their girlfriend that's the last time you really want to be tripping when you're sad or have stress in your life.

MDMA is nowhere near Psylocibin dude.. It is 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine... I am sure you've watched a bunch of movies or at least videos on meth damage..
MDMA just like LSD is extracted from a natural occuring substance.. but it is methylated.. and reactives used are similar to meth.., matches,li-ion batteries that is why it is 2000000 times the harm.. It is made from Saffrass oil ..
The tribal people in Africa used it reacreationally for years.. They werent aware of inhibition so they needed a notorius doses.. What they've done was to just oil up from head to toes and dancing around the fire like crazy until it kicks in the liver .
MDA is often mixed with MDMA to bring up more speedy effect..(cuz MDMA has a bit too much of mellowing effect,IDK bout visuals from it.. )