results switchng from ABV to buds not great

eboy

eboy

Uh, I'm just gonna go find a cash machine.
a friend has been making me cookies with ABV.
great results.
i gave her a bunch of Snow Cap and the results are actually not as good.
prime fresh bud fnot as effective as ABV- any clues?
should i just vape the whole bunch at once?
like in a gargabe can?
i need to switch to cookies, as i am an old.

thank!
e

ps: she makes it with butter
 
eboy,
m4c

m4c

Marek
What do You mean by not that good effects? If You are looking for that couch lock stoney feeling than ABV is the way to go but if You wanna get high than fresh bud should be a lot better.
 
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WatTyler

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
I'd have thought decarbing would happen when the cookies are being cooked?
 
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Fly by Night

Fly by Night

Member
I find that decarbing before cooking makes for a more complete extraction. While heat causes decarboxylation, heat also acts as the catalyst for the psychoactive compounds to bind to whatever solvent is used. The THC and other compounds have to be decarbed first to effectively merge with the oil/butter. The one time I tried making cannabutter without decarbing first, the final product was lackluster.
 
Fly by Night,
Lo

Lo

Combustion free since '09
I have found differences with fresh, abv and even how much the ABV has been vaped makes a huge difference.

I tend to think you are looking for the higher range stuff that is left behind in ABV giving you that couch lock and/or pain relief.

My favorite blend is a mix of abv tincture and a tincture made from cleaning vape parts from my fixed temp vapes. I end up with a good spectrum. If I want a sleep aid I will just use ABV tincture as I know it will contain higher range goodies. If I turn it into candy I note whether they are high range or not :D
 
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treecityrnd

Active Member
So using a crock pot at 230F for 12+ hours will achieve both the temp and time necessary for decarb and extraction? Or do most people using slow heat extraction methods here also decarb before the crockpot? And agreeing with Tyler, then any leftover THC-A would be converted in the final cooking process?
 
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Sour Deez

Active Member
Ive always found properly decarbed brownies to be better then when i didnt decarb before. Just my personal experience.
 
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treecityrnd

Active Member
Sour Deez said:
Ive always found properly decarbed brownies to be better then when i didnt decarb before. Just my personal experience.
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Exactly what is proper. I've seen numbers with a huge range, anywhere from 200F for 15 min to 230F for an hour. These both come from right here on FC. I would love some hard data on the subject if anyone has it or can point me in the right direction. I usually use ABV like most here so its not an issue. But there are those rare occasions when I'll have access to fresh material.
 
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gobbly

Active Member
15-20 min is more than enough. The goal is to bring the entire mass above a desired temp (~200) but below the point at which what you want will vape. For THC this is around 310-315, before that you can lose some tarpenoids (sp?) which are responsible for a great deal of flavor. Anyway, once it's done, it's done. You could continue to heat it, but it won't have any effect other than THC degradation caused by heat (unrelated to decarboxylation).

My method is to preheat the oven to 250f, then put in the bud (spread evenly on a baking sheet), turn off the oven, and leave it for 20 min. This is by no means the only (or even best) way to do this, but it works great for me, is easy, and is difficult to screw up :)
 
gobbly,
Qbit

Qbit

cannabanana
gobbly said:
15-20 min is more than enough. The goal is to bring the entire mass above a desired temp (~200) but below the point at which what you want will vape. For THC this is around 310-315, before that you can lose some tarpenoids (sp?) which are responsible for a great deal of flavor. Anyway, once it's done, it's done. You could continue to heat it, but it won't have any effect other than THC degradation caused by heat (unrelated to decarboxylation).

My method is to preheat the oven to 250f, then put in the bud (spread evenly on a baking sheet), turn off the oven, and leave it for 20 min. This is by no means the only (or even best) way to do this, but it works great for me, is easy, and is difficult to screw up :)
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I've seen a patent online (for a hash oil extraction process, I think it was) which describes an experiment done to determine optimum oven temperature and baking time for decarboxylation. I thought I had it bookmarked, but I can't seem to find it. Anyway, they found that 1 hour at 120C/250F produced almost complete decarboxylation (98% or something) while evaporating very little THC (~1% or something). Mind you they were doing large bundles of weed at once, so I guess that may have slowed the process down a bit - though probably not that much since weed is hardly a leg of lamb. But as long as you give it the best part of an hour I think you'd be doing ok.
 
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