Bin Laden is Dead!

reece

reece

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LivingInSpin said:
^^^ Is this opinion formed through objective and extensive study in the fields of economics and political science, or was it provided by a politically motivated organization to be consumed whole without question?
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Are those the only possibilities? Expert in economics and political science, or I'm too stupid to form my own opinion? Well, I'm no expert in either field. So, to you, I must be stupid. I must need someone else to tell me what to think.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10?pagenumber=1

http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxon-walmart-business-washington-corporate-taxes.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?pagewanted=1

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/12/us-usa-taxes-corporations-idUSN1249465620080812

Or could it be I take in information from a variety of sources and check them as best I can no matter what their intent is for providing the information? Nah, it has to be that I'm stupid.
 
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LivingInSpin

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The "tax the rich", "evil corporation" meme is getting old. It reads like a political talking points memo. My fault for letting it get to me. Sorry to flip like that. :peace:
 
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colly

Active Member
LivingInSpin said:
The "tax the rich", "evil corporation" meme is getting old. It reads like a political talking points memo. Without any supporting evidence or argument it comes across as nothing more than an irrational spew of envy.

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Then present some evidence in support of the 'trickle'. The only thing I can point to is 2001-2008. "Crazy is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results." Only we've done it thrice. :cool:
 
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Stu

Stu

Maconheiro
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I'm watching CNN now and they just showed Bin Laden's garden that's in his compound. Cabbage, potatoes, and marijuana. :lol:
 
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lwien

lwien

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I saw that too. Nic Robertson was reporting. "Cabbage, potatoes and marijuana plants", but I think he was talking about the farmer just outside of his compound.
 
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Stu

Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
lwien said:
I saw that too. Nic Robertson was reporting. "Cabbage, potatoes and marijuana plants", but I think he was talking about the farmer just outside of his compound.
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I just re-wound my tivo and indeed he was referring to the next door neighbor's garden. Still funny, though!
 
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lwien

lwien

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Stu said:
lwien said:
I saw that too. Nic Robertson was reporting. "Cabbage, potatoes and marijuana plants", but I think he was talking about the farmer just outside of his compound.
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I just re-wound my tivo and indeed he was referring to the next door neighbor's garden. Still funny, though!
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Yeah it was. Got a chuckle from me when I saw it.
 
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Human Bean

Vapor Genie
well i guess this is my first post here. OBL has been deceased for years, really it doesnt even matter that he "died" recently except that the americans are in for some shiz. dont know what but it sure smells bad.

Human Bean
 
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jackmormon

jackmormon

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Human Bean said:
well i guess this is my first post here. OBL has been deceased for years, really it doesnt even matter that he "died" recently except that the americans are in for some shiz. dont know what but it sure smells bad.

Human Bean
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Some asshole says it happened on the TV, so it MUST be true! Our government would NEVER lie to us or feed us distractions right before they did something that smells really bad. That is just inconceivable!
 
jackmormon,
Qbit

Qbit

cannabanana
(Funny observation going around on the net:)

It's amazing what the US can achieve when the Playstation Network is down.
 
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Human Bean

Vapor Genie
lol man my wife actually thought he just died and that obamas BC was real! and the the earth is flat haha joking about one of those
 
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Nosferatu

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I would completely believe this isnt really when he died, I'm curous why you say that though? Also whats this about the Playstation Network?
 
Nosferatu,
Qbit

Qbit

cannabanana
Nosferatu said:
Also whats this about the Playstation Network?
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Do I need to spell it out?

(HINT It's in reference to this thread's topic.)
 
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sunsett70

sunsett70

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lwien said:
While I don't deny what you have stated above, in my opinion, the US would be hated by some regardless what her foreign agenda was. The US is the world superpower with a LOT of wealth and a very high standard of living. When ANY entity has that kind of power, there will ALWAYS be those that will hate her. It's human nature. Doens't matter if she's a person, or a country.
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* may take some brickbats for this but i had a dbv session so we'll see what goes. these are just my thoughts, not meant to offend anyone. please...

(lwien, you know i respect you, man, and my thanks still remain for your kind offer. some parts we agree on but pls allow me to take some artistic license to rant a bit, eh? )
well, frogbmth commented about wealth, and maybe those french (sorry no offense to any french tokers) or some european diplomats may have an issue with the power an american politician wields during those world summit meetings, but as a person on the street in a faraway land (ex british colony), the power of USA has never been an issue. never been with me or any of the guys i grew up with so your statement of 'power creating hate' is a big misconception, at least with me.

If anything, i grew up on a steady diet of american culture (bonanza, hardy boys, battlestar, knight rider, a-team........rocky, rambo) and have been sentimentally pro-biased towards america. even during the cold war, it was US as good guys, and Russians the bad guys. and i never had dreams of going to exotic places or climbing the highest mountain, i just wanted to ride a harley to grand canyon, route 66 or one of those 'easy rider' trips. maybe to las vegas or new orleans too.

But as you grow up and you see & read things, u discover shades of grey exist and white & black often mix. yeah, it was clear cut that america was kickin' ass the right way in ww2 but i came back from vietnam awhile back and i can tell you the victims of agent orange don't really care how wealthy america is. they just don't want their kids to be born with one eye, 3 legs, one hand and half a dick. And were those 3000 lives lost in 9/11 any more precious than 400+ unarmed civilians (including children and babies) killed in the My Lai Massacre or the people of vietnam who paid so heavy a price in the war ? more precious than the supposed 60k innocents that perished in the iraq war? does the answer depend on where you are from?

i'm no world history expert but it is kinda shifty what happened in those latin america countries (like panama, nicaragua, chile etc) where the US conducted so many operations or coups to protect 'America's national interest' or 'restore democracy' or some slogan that jives with the american public. some would say that with so many tinpot dictators in these '3rd world countries', shit was gonna happen anyway to those people. maybe so, but it certainly doesn't help when america government trains military muscle and helps enforce exploitative and destructive policies for the benefit of US businesses (oil, logging, pharma etc). those countries resources are targeted, they are then systematically raped without regard to the long term consequences of the people or the environment. and god help you if you were a dissident trying to fight 'the good cause' for your country cause chances are you and your family would have their asses thrown into jail, tortured or just plain disappeared.

And now the action is in the middle east, lots of them black gold ripe for the pickin'. great that democracy is being restored in iraq, and afghanistan is about to discover 'peace' :rolleyes:. yeah, you all killed some bad guys and all, too bad some farmers or their kids had to die in the process, collateral damage y'know but what the fuck, it doesn't affect the supply of the american public's playstations, xboxes, diet of hollywood movies or their supersized meals. and who gives a shit about some farmer in iraq who lost his family, or his house, his land ravaged; basically he's got nothing so what the fuck he thinks - he hangs around the jihad group for some 'emotional support', maybe get a free meal and then he's offered the chance for revenge :o. and the cycle goes on.

and that, makes me a bit sad. america, with all it's power could have led this world to a new, better age for humanity, and for a safer environmental future for our planet. instead, it is a place where big corporations lead the actions of politicians. all these players are no ordinary gangsters. they have both the law and the gun at their disposal. so men in shadowy places plan wars in faraway lands, while giving the public enough consumer distraction to.....make it ok. So (imho), we are led to a new age of consumerism and shallow materialism, the age of capitalism. this western based concept basically entails corporations that are expected to show growth every quarter (show a growth but less than expected and it's a disappointment); the consumer now buys more, more, more of things to satisfy both the corporation's growth/greed and to feed into the american illusion of success. yes, the american dream, supersized.

i mean the financial crisis was just another reminder that the american money-men would fuck anyone over for another buck. starting wars is just "another day at work". then, i read stuff about the chinese businessmen selling contaminated food and killing people n all, and everyone's like 'fuck the chinese!'. what's the difference between the chinese $ men and the american $ men? answer - the chinese have lousy pr.

and lwien, when you mentioned "a very high standard of living" and how some might be jealous of it, could be true but then again, not everyone wants a million dollar penthouse, flash cars, 50" HD tvs and vaporizers in every room or the ability to supersize their meals. some people have a different definition of a 'higher standard of living' while some others may be just happily contented living in a longhouse next to a jungle or being able to feed their family with their farm goods grown on a patch of their farmland. To some happiness is having basic shelter, food & clothing and the chance to see their kids grow up right. and if they get screwed, they should get screwed by their own people, not collaboratively with some foreign power who's looking to rape their country's resources and make a whole load of blood money in the process.

those damned politicians or 'people in higher authority' (or the corporations who bankroll them) are dealing with what, the US defence budget for a year being usd600-800b? w some extras when war happens like development contracts, security contracts, what-the-fuck contracts, trade agreements etc and that's a lot of money involved. If you were part of the gravy train, would you want it to stop? you might just systematically take out any idiot stoopid enough to try. i'd probably feel bad, but i'll take him out too.

in a way, i sympathise with the victims who have paid a price for this 'stance', this tactic of systematic oppression/aggresion by the authorities in higher power against those who don't stand in line with their interest because that is exactly what is being done to us marijuana users. the US drug war has pressured many asean countries into setting very heavy penalties for mj trade & use, and you know who that benefits. even american medical mj facilities with licenses get their doors kicked down sometimes, so 'they' don't give a fuck about what rules are in place (or maybe they do but they know how to circumvent the whole issue into the bureaucratic system). yeah, they really don't give a shit. in fact, we're fuckin' irritants to them.

yeah, i believe the whole system is basically flawed (my opinion is biased of course) and i also believe it will reach a tipping point before anarchy begins. how long? my wild guess, 1-2 generations if things don't change (maybe some star trek tech comes out that just changes the whole picture n creates some equilibirum among the masses). if not, imagine the technological impact of explosive devices in the future, 50 years ahead, could be so much easier to take the war to the enemy's city. maybe it just takes one fundamental nutcase/dissedent/revenge seeker that slips by with a hand held 'briefcase' bomb to take out a whole city. fuck, in a way i'm glad i won't be around to see the future.

so, after all this writing about world affairs, what am i gonna do? since it's a friday night, i'm gonna toke (again) with the legendary da buddha vaporiser. yeah, i'm exercising my personal right of freedom. it's too bad this notion means jackshit to some who because of their 'might of arms' choose to blatantly yell out thru their actions "you are with me, or against me, and to hell with the consequences, for there are none".

thanks.

p/s - i saw Thor! 3* out of 5, a good marvel movie. excelsior!
 
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sunsett70

sunsett70

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that was a long rant. but if i can continue....

this is my hope for america, as a beacon of light and how it could take the step to lead the world. conquer the new 'frontier', this quest - the legalisation of marijuana, a true measure of personal freedom & personal responsibility reflected in a society. it will not only make this world better, it would make us better men. and i think one of the breakthroughs is mj. so i pray and i hope that the legalisation of mj in america, or some state, will happen in my lifetime. Just Fuckin' Do it! and then 'invade' us to help stop the fuckin death penalties for selling a plant!

fuck, sometimes i feel guilty. technically, i am a co-conspirator to some people's demise. the dealers or the transporters, i mean. in my country, don't take much for you to get the 'ol necktie' treatment. ahhh, weed, it cost 'a lot' in my country.

you guys know that the plant can safe this planet, right? i mean, if it's used right, and taught right (not just for stoning out). if it's legal, then you start educating people early on. like those japanese during the earthquake. they know what to do, so they are cool in an earthquake. same here, so people don't panic when they hear the word 'marijuana' :o

then step by step. i think of the medical uses and the resources this planet could save if perception can be changed. i think about how much suffering can be taken away. and i much prefer to have a lots of trees, than not. but it's a world with such shadowy spaces, such good hiding places. am i hoping for too much?

but this website gives me hope. a communion of mj travellers, many from america i think. i feel your journey carries much more importance than many of you think. how many of you americans here think you carry the fate of the world in your hands? yes, i believe you do (china's not gonna save the world, y'know?) imagine the wall of lies coming down. America, finally, a beacon of light & truth. and there'll be a lot less wars being fought, i feel.

have a nice weekend fellas.
 
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Human Bean

Vapor Genie
stay aware sunsett, have a good weekend!

im gonna try to help out abit more . ill post some links if thats alright.

brb

alright i did some quick surfing and tried to find the original link with all the written BS . basically the pictures speak a few words.

http://www.gobloglog.com/wp-content...of-montage-face-images-of-Osama-bin-Laden.jpg

pretty self explanatory right?

now. this is also results of my quick scanning.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jf0njFI5bfg/TDsgxH5ntII/AAAAAAAAAHI/wleBe0ACl3w/s1600/bin-laden.jpg

clearly osama has been dead or in hiding for years. they even bought him a double.

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/...taged-after-announcement-of-bin-ladens-death/

faked speech. when i watched this speech on tv i thought. wow check out those twitchin eyes. whats he looking at? originally i thought prompter as usual, as you can see in one of the photos, no teleprompter is in front of him but lights, photographers. could it be that the teleprompter is behind these people? even then why is the president who is to know all that goes on under his word need someone typing his speech as he goes along and says it to the people of america?

here is an exerpt someone posted on the thread where i got this link. it reads

"Occult Timing Associated With Osama's Hollywood Scripted Assassination.Seal Team 6 killed OBL on the 66th anniversary of Hitler's death on the same day the Illuminati was created at 3:30 EST (33) as the result of putting a bullet through his LEFT EYE!! Come on guys! Wake up. They're just mocking your total ignorance if you can't see through this scam"

very interesting no? also as you saw in the first link i posted, that was clearly a faked photo of his head. also i thought they werent even going to release the photo of osama. theyre fucking with our heads.

now. there are multiple videos and photos that claim to debunk the whole birth certificate issue.

i will post a youtube video and you guys tell me what you think about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCjAmEgjkUc&feature=player_embedded

the next site i will post has more info on obamas faked BC. again share your thoughts please.

http://www.obamanotqualified.com/

here is some more evidence. photos of young obama and young osama (quite the resemblance ay)
im aware that one of the link in that thread do not work and there is a posted image shack link i will also post it just incase

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1476911/pg1

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/55895353.jpg/


i found this link very interesting also

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1474828/pg1

it talks about similarities between Barack and osama.
he might not be the same person but sure as hell seems they are related.

i apologize for not providing more information but this is just to get the ball rolling for some.

discuss.

final edit. my girl said to post this

http://cosmoforum.ucoz.ru/forum/40-437-1#19367

scroll down to see the last vid
 
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bcleez

bcleez

Well-Known Member
Human Bean- go look up "counter knowledge"

The dumbing down of America is amazing...

The real joke is how people spend time and energy on conspiracy theories rather than look at actual facts. Why not focus on treaties, military alliances, weapons sales, oil exploration etc. That is how policy is made and sides are chosen.

Go read "Understanding Power" by Noam Chomsky - it is in black and white how nation states operate.

It's just like UFO's - imagine if your enemy believes that you have access to alien technology. I would want my enemy to believe that.
 
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