Discontinued Epicvape EV-1/EV-2
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Ennui Cookout
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Even that brief hit with combustion has resulted in me needing to iso soak and clean the entire tubing assembly from bowl to tip since it became discolored and nasty as hell to breath through just like a grody pipe.
EDIT: Just to share, since I think this will clear up what I mean by combustion...
A lot of the bowl load was blackened and I had to use a small screwdriver to scrape stuff out. Sorry for the crappy cellcam pics, but you can clearly see how black that came out. This smells terrible, obviously and has made me somewhat more nervous about using this vape in its current state. Again, this is a beta unit and I really hope this is fixed because otherwise I really do genuinely like this vaporizer.
EDIT: Just to share, since I think this will clear up what I mean by combustion...
A lot of the bowl load was blackened and I had to use a small screwdriver to scrape stuff out. Sorry for the crappy cellcam pics, but you can clearly see how black that came out. This smells terrible, obviously and has made me somewhat more nervous about using this vape in its current state. Again, this is a beta unit and I really hope this is fixed because otherwise I really do genuinely like this vaporizer.
Ennui Cookout
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I'd say it was on about 90 minutes which was not an issue in the past. This was during a film party so it was seeing pretty solid use. I do NOT think, however, that a vape should combust under pretty much any circumstance. This was a reasonable use case where everyone was doing bubble hash for the length of the film. I can understand a MFLB combusting but that is a design compromise for portability and the nature of its heat source. Home units like this can and should be held to a higher standard.
Again, I see this as a beta issue so please keep that in mind. Otherwise this vape is pretty excellent and my complaints are minor.
Again, I see this as a beta issue so please keep that in mind. Otherwise this vape is pretty excellent and my complaints are minor.
Ennui Cookout
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When a freshly loaded bowl combusts within a few hits, that's a problem. Period. Just because two other vapes may combust doesn't change the fact that a vape shouldn't combust during normal operation. If anything, the fact the SSV and DBV can combust should be a flaw that competing products should be striving to avoid. No other vape I have used combusted like this and I don't think with $150+ products that combustion should be acceptable just because prior products got away with it.
LiquidDreams
VapeHead
Ennui Cookout said:
I agree completely.
Maybe I should be more clear. Boost is exactly that; a BOOST. There is no reason, nor should the EV-1 ever be left in the Boost mode. It's simply there if you want to go from zero to vape in under 5 minutes or you have a particular strain or bubble that requires a little extra oomph. Like using nitrous in a car, use it sparingly and with prudence. I Leave my test units on Boost 24/7 because I want make sure nothing unforeseen happens if somebody inadvertently leaves their unit on for extended periods. Occasionally I will hit from one, but I have developed a little technique of holding the El-bowl just above the joint to keep the material further away from the heat source and let some cool air flow in from the sides.
I have yet to hear of any EV-1 producing combustion on the standard heat setting. I'm not saying it's not possible, It probably is if you leave the EL-bowl on the unit long enough, but I don't have any reports of it. I can certainly offer the EV-1 with a no Boost option but I and most of my beta testers believe when it's used for the intended purpose, it is a very desirable feature.
Also keep in mind that all units that we are getting reviews from here are beta units and are being tested under as many different conditions and variations as possible so potential problems can be addressed before production begins.
Andy@epicvape
I have yet to hear of any EV-1 producing combustion on the standard heat setting. I'm not saying it's not possible, It probably is if you leave the EL-bowl on the unit long enough, but I don't have any reports of it. I can certainly offer the EV-1 with a no Boost option but I and most of my beta testers believe when it's used for the intended purpose, it is a very desirable feature.
Also keep in mind that all units that we are getting reviews from here are beta units and are being tested under as many different conditions and variations as possible so potential problems can be addressed before production begins.
Andy@epicvape
rotax
Zaporist
by what i understand, boost is not meant for perma/normal use, and thats the issue and reason i think it hasn't been used on other similar devices in the past.
again, by what i understand, its to be used for the 'warm-up' cycle. to get it up to temp quick, and for that its a great idea.
much like cranking an adjustable to max works to get it up to temp quick.. but you don't leave it at max all the time, because it will combust.
how many adjustable vape users leave theirs on at max at all times (while using the unit)?
boost=max setting
but thats just what i've gathered by the posts Andy has made about it.
EDIT: ^^^^ well, Andy answered and verified my logic exactly. just hope the feature isn't removed from the official units because some people are over using it...having a short warm up time is a very nice option for many.
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anyway, just got done reading this whole thread, and very impressed.
sounds like it can be efficient (if you want), and/or be a heavy hitter too.
i, like others have mentioned, would also like to see it with a LSV style tube versus the whip.
again, by what i understand, its to be used for the 'warm-up' cycle. to get it up to temp quick, and for that its a great idea.
much like cranking an adjustable to max works to get it up to temp quick.. but you don't leave it at max all the time, because it will combust.
how many adjustable vape users leave theirs on at max at all times (while using the unit)?
boost=max setting
but thats just what i've gathered by the posts Andy has made about it.
EDIT: ^^^^ well, Andy answered and verified my logic exactly. just hope the feature isn't removed from the official units because some people are over using it...having a short warm up time is a very nice option for many.
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anyway, just got done reading this whole thread, and very impressed.
sounds like it can be efficient (if you want), and/or be a heavy hitter too.
i, like others have mentioned, would also like to see it with a LSV style tube versus the whip.
Ennui Cookout
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Andy, gvape turned it on and it combusted the next hit. I've had it produce black spots on stuff when on briefly. I'm not too particularly miffed that me having it on for 90 minutes while doing hash charred the herb bowl I followed it with, it's more that I'm worried even brief usage could potentially combust a bowl which is not good unless you only really mean it for concentrates as opposed to getting CBN/CBD hits.
I don't believe anyone said that the feature needed to be removed nor has any beta tester said this wasn't a useful feature? Again, I've only ever typically had boost on for concentrates or initial heat-up. The original session I did up to the combustion incident was just pure hash, which is why I had boost engaged for a bit.
If anything, Nosferatu's proposed three temp settings with the third meant for concentrates would be most excellent.
No offense, but I own two adjustable temp vapes and neither will combust at max setting no matter how long I've left them on. That also wasn't what I had done here.
gvape said:
ACE OF VAPE said:
I don't believe anyone said that the feature needed to be removed nor has any beta tester said this wasn't a useful feature? Again, I've only ever typically had boost on for concentrates or initial heat-up. The original session I did up to the combustion incident was just pure hash, which is why I had boost engaged for a bit.
If anything, Nosferatu's proposed three temp settings with the third meant for concentrates would be most excellent.
rotax said:
No offense, but I own two adjustable temp vapes and neither will combust at max setting no matter how long I've left them on. That also wasn't what I had done here.
Purpl3_Haz3
On a Permanent Vakation
pakalolo said:
That would increase cost. Now, a simple switch changes the power mode, if you wanted it to automatically go from boost to not, there would have to be some changes in the design; some type of internal timer power supply.
Think of the ev in it's current state as a manual transmission in a car. The mod you suggest would be like swapping the manual for an auto tranny. Alot of work to make the swap, additional parts, and only to make it a little easier on the user.
I'm no electronics expert, but I just dot see this being feasable. But if it were an option, it would be pretty cool!
gvape
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Yes, I said in the past I really dont like boost. I only use boost to turn the unit on so I dont have to wait that long or for my concentrates. I had decided to use boost just to get a a heaver hit, but I guess it should be mentioned that boost mode SHOULD NOT be used to vape your material. ONLY to warm up or for concentrates.
Either way the vape still is great and I have been loving it with the glass. My only problem right now is that horrible taste from the tube. I cut off a piece of tubing from my SSV and now its back in action. I so do not miss combustion.... The flavor is just soooo bad and it lingers!
Cant wait to hear how your LSV wand works.
Either way the vape still is great and I have been loving it with the glass. My only problem right now is that horrible taste from the tube. I cut off a piece of tubing from my SSV and now its back in action. I so do not miss combustion.... The flavor is just soooo bad and it lingers!
Cant wait to hear how your LSV wand works.
mrfloopa
Vappy
I keep getting more and more excited about this vape. The fact that it can combust (and many don't) just tells me my herb is going to be vaped pretty darn thoroughly. Always a good thing, and really entices me. My girlfriend hates vaping, and this sounds more and more like something I can use to convert her.
gvape
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The normal mode is hotter now? I dont know if I really like to hear that. I think it was at a pretty good temp.
I assume Andy got his glass blower going again. Gonna have to send him an email and see if I can get a replacement el-bowl. Cant wait to hear about the LSV wand krazy.
I assume Andy got his glass blower going again. Gonna have to send him an email and see if I can get a replacement el-bowl. Cant wait to hear about the LSV wand krazy.
Purpl3_Haz3
On a Permanent Vakation
gvape said:
Well, this will give those who were using boost to vape, a better reason not too. Also, where this vapes temp is somewhat controlled by the users breathing, you can probably get slightly cooler hits, theoretically.
Also, you could start hitting it when you turn it on from cold, while heating to normal, and get some lower temp hits on the way.
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collegerower
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I love the looks of that Andy. Good job!
DeepFried
A Legend in my Own Mind
mrfloopa said:
Totally agree, there are many ways to slightly lower the temp on your own if desired, but no way to make it hotter if it is too cool. Glad to see the normal temp getting a slight boost.
IAmKrazy2 said:
The slots act as a cheese grater as you rub your nug back and forth on it, this design has been around for a while mostly in a credit card sized form. Andy has combined 3 tools into one, great idea.
Wow I love that little gadget you made! But I must say you should not higher the regular temp, mine is already overly browning the top of some bowls. And some friends wanna leave it in the HE for just two hits and it will burn the second one. Especially if you have had the vape on for hours(I don't leave it on but sometimes I do all evening for like 5 or 6 hours). Not to mention over a long period of time the vapes temp might slightly raise permanently. I think the temps we have are good... BTW you don't happen to have a number for what the temps on this thing actually are. I'm guessing around 385-390F and boost being like 410F. But I guess theres no way of testing it, or is there?