Efficiency: a lost art?

I know that I am personally (out of my friends) the most efficient consumer of mj. Even when I combusted I was always able to stretch my herb farther than my peers. And it's not that I don't get high when I vape or that I don't vape often, because I achieve both.


The way I stretch my mj so far by using only one PD stem per session (unless I'm on the go with the VG). This gets me where I need to be for several hours. Whenever friends use my PD vapebong set up, they always request 2 or 3 stems and to me it's unnecessary to use that much. It's either that they all have much higher tolerances than me, or they don't understand when to stop and let the mj sink in. I think it's the latter. I guess part of it stems from their mentality being 'I wanna get fucked up', but I digress.

Yeah, I'm kinda with you on this. One stem, or even 3/4 of a stem does me just fine and I think the reason is twofold, but one supports the other. With my PD, I notice that it takes a bit for the effects to creep in, so if I give it time, I realize that I don't want another stem, and by giving it enough time and only doing one stem, I am able to keep my tolerance low, and I get as fucked up as I would ever want to be.

Having self control helps save your wallet and your tolerance. It's definitely tough to do with vapor since it's so tempting to vape more, but holding back is worth it in the long run IMO.

^^ But to clarify, the only "holding back", lasts for only about 10 minutes. After that, it's not a matter of holding back but rather, "I really don't want any more".

Good point. I think its human nature to naturally want to keep doing more until one feels it, but since it takes several minutes for the onset of the high to kick in, undisciplined people are likely to keep goin.

I find myself to be in about the same situation. I have always managed to stay on the conservative side, material wise. I use my PD primarily and also have learned how to achieve and keep a low tolerance.
However, in the future I see my habits getting out of hand, because it is tempting to keep going!

I feel the same way about my friends. I think it might also be they don't have a proper breathing technique or they don't hold it long enough. 3 vapor hits that are held in for a good while can get me to the same point a whole bowl could.

F*** self control, I put it down to personal chemistry. Regardless of any given substance, everyone simply has different tolerances and reactions.

Some like tea, come like coffee, and some like espresso. Some folk even drink water, eck.

Given the most efficient vaporizer in the world, a goal I'm well interested in pursuing, I would still vape alot.

I like tea AND expresso !!

i require very little and thus do very little most of the time, its taken me a little over a year to acquire 7g of abv and thats for two people. however some have higher tolerance so they really do need to keep going to get to a similar level as you, so it might not entirely be a waste.

i will say this, whenever someone shows me their stash i almost pass out. usually looks like a lifetime supply to me, hahaha. the real funny part might come in 5 years from now, wonder if i will require the same amount. i think so, but who knows for sure.

i've always used less than those around me, and i think it comes down to wanting to feel fucked up right from the moment the piece leaves your mouth, which isn't the same effect i go for.

i only use 0.035g per pack, and a pack could last 1-2 seshes, usually only 1.

i don't buy the tolerance argument, because i've never had a tolerance increase even when i go to parties and end up vaping grams in the HA.

i think it comes down to patience and experimentation.

^I agree with the tolerance thing. I don't really buy it either.

Normally I can get pretty vaked off 1 decent sized trench in my MFLB.

& I have a lot of bud lying around now because since I got my card it is too fun to experiment with new strains and get good deals on 1/8ths,.

And some get really low quality weed. Don't forget that. All things being equal, I find that vaping is more efficient, but then I've never bothered to do a test on one 'batch' of weed, split between vaping and combusting.

With what I would call dispensary quality weed, it usually takes one hit and that's it. The lower the quality of weed, the more is needed, and I would be willing to bet it's the same for everyone.

Tom

effenciency has different definitions depending on the person and unit involved, also.

using the least amount of herbs vs getting the most out of the herbs in a single session

tdavie said:

And some get really low quality weed. Don't forget that. All things being equal, I find that vaping is more efficient, but then I've never bothered to do a test on one 'batch' of weed, split between vaping and combusting.

With what I would call dispensary quality weed, it usually takes one hit and that's it. The lower the quality of weed, the more is needed, and I would be willing to bet it's the same for everyone.

Tom

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the cost of material and where it was acquired are generally poor indicators of potency, i have had plenty of old, dry, brown "crap" that worked wonders as far as body high is concerned.

crawdad said:

i require very little and thus do very little most of the time, its taken me a little over a year to acquire 7g of abv and thats for two people.

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ENVY.

I go through about 1g a month...i vape 3-5 times a week, 1 small bowl and im good.

+1 for Charlie
Someone I just vape coz it's so damned good ! not really to get fucked up at all.

Deadhead101, I could not agree with you more. In my circle everyone is a combuster, but much worse, they, for the most part all smoke blunts (in dutches). YUCK. I was like 17 when I abandoned blunts (not that I don't partake in the cipher occasionally...). Still, I have friends that, in a single night, smoke as much as I would in a month.

My MFLB transferred me from smoking about .4g/day to around .2g/day (I just got it, so I'm still abusing it, post forthcoming!)

Keep on being efficient!

i think it has a lot to do with people wanting huge hits, torching bowls, blah blah blah. i got into the habit of lightly lightly OH SO lightly touching my bowls with flame because i did it to be discreet, i found that i could see the trichomes on the plant curling up and melting, so i looked into vaping and the like and discovered that it is probably much more efficient that i keep doing this, keeping the flame just out of reach and only taking the radiant/convection heat from it.

everyone else just seems to see filling up a bong as fast and as hard as possible as the best way, but to me that just shows a lack of patience.

When I was younger I thought I was being"Healthy"by using a bong instead of a paper,then I saw vape adds in HT,so I got a strange device with glass bulb on it and a bubbler for a kind of vape,that was like 18yrs ago.Next,time you vape ask your self do i feel healthier than before? and do I ever think my Friends will catch on to this Vaperland I go to from time to time.Who knows,I gotta Vape....Oh! and Haste makes waste./Sidebarne time i lasted 1month just on re-do,but generally I partake of the Finest available and about every now and than I can go longer if i am just looking for a mello experience.
Rock on!

I hate blunts. My friends try to brag about the time they smoked a whole 1/8 in a blunt but I'm not impressed. Half that shit was burning into the air. Try doing that in a vape. That same eight would last you like a month.

I definatly learned efficiency over my smoking time
when I just began smoking, I smoked a lot
because the first 5 times I didn't get high, my first time high I needed a lot
so I thought that was just what I needed and kept smoking that big amount every time(smoked only once a week back then, on saturdayevening, and rolled joints with about 2 gram each and smoked 1 joint per half hour to an hour, I always shared but usually that resulted in plenty of friends smoking the first together with me but by the time I wanted a 2nd they didn't want more so ended up usuallt smoking the 2nd joint(and the ones after that) smoking on my own, I also smoked pure while it's common to roll with tobacco here)
after a while I noticed I had an opposite tolerance, needed less to get high over time
when I started vaping I also started getting high daily, before that it was 2-3 times a week(combustionhigh isn't satifying enough for me to experience every day, just nice to do once in a while, vapehigh was exactly what I was looking for)
first I vaped multiple bowl a time in my VG, later one bowl a time
a while ago I seemed to notice tolerance while I had never had that before
then I tried vaping less, since I remembered my opposite tolerance and less turmed out to get me higher
and I made the bowl of my vg smaller with the spring(read about that around here, never thought of it myself)
from then on I took 2-3 hits each time wich got me much higher then an entire bowl

and now I have a purple days so I can vape even less in more hits

i think efficiency is a developing/evolving art and its getting better.

Yes efficiency IS the way forward. Personally I am trying to tease my tolerance as low as I can so that I can get the very best and most out of my herb. Having been only vaping properly since about a month ago I have made lots of new observations about the pros, cons and understanding of the effects of both. I too found that the vaporizer didn't get you the same kinda of stoned as the bong. But this is for very good reasons. See when you inhale all that nasty stuff with herb or indeed any inhaled smoke from combusted material you get a head rush from oxygen lack and carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. Now a lot of people do actually crave this feeling. Its like auto erotica i guess lol. But seriously I ate 1g of ABV in some cookies and they got me really nice and medicated. I gave another gram of ABV to a friend and said he could make himself a doob with it because he had asked if he could try smoking it and he said he felt nothing what so ever. But then he mixed it with tobacco. So really the nasties seem to raise tolerance considerably. Ever since I stopped alcohol, smoking anything, caffeine, aspartame, sucralose, junk food, fizzy drinks, unfiltered tap water and started drinking more high quality water and exercising my body has been really sensitive. Its so nice to have my sense of smell back working, and with the vape im not the smelliest person in the room even though im totally vaped on a smelly herb. Other things like forgetfulness and clumsiness are all gone now. I really think all those nasties were damaging my motor coordination something bad. I've even started to notice all the inconsistencies of others a lot more too. Sounds crazy but from being a heavy drinker and smoker (and worse o_0) i've totally gone to peaceful and harmonious vaper. Its like a weight has been lifted. It kinda makes me gag a little to think of all the crap I used to put in my body. I think the way forward is to just keep vaping smaller and smaller amounts. Its like hearing, if you sit and relax you can hear more. Lately i've stopped listening to so much music and i've just sat and relaxed and watched the sky and just listened to the ambient sounds. I actually find that my hearing thresholds are really sensitive now. I think its a progression and an understanding to get this far with herb use. Once you understand what vaping does for you you start to see what is the active ingredient and what is just asphyxiation. Most people who smoke look for that whether they know it or not. Most people who come from smoking to vaping either adjust and understand what the ingredients actually feel like on their own where as others will still keep looking for the asphyxiation feeling. Now for me its just about efficiency tuning my vape and body to use as little as is effective and needed. Maybe if I keep on this way il be able to get medicated just sniffing my stash tin lol.