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Purple Days vs. MFLB Power Adapter

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Earths Essence

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Thought this would be an interesting topic to discuss, since I've seen many with both of these vapes, including the PA.

-Both vapes are known for their efficiency, which do you guys think is more efficient, PD or MFLB PA?

-Which vape gives you a better effect, or high?

-Do you prefer the fixed temp of the PD, or the variable of the MFLB PA?

Anyone with any input don't be shy. Just wanted to hear from other vaporists on the forum.
 
Earths Essence,

gettin lifted

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pd imo is going to extract better at that fixed temp with little user effort and herb. mflb is also suitable for smaller amounts but i think the edge goes to the pd.

but vapes in general are all personal preference. what might be right for you, may not be right for some. (yes i just ripped off the different strokes theme song)

mflb is going to provide whatever effect you want, especially when power adapted since you can vary temps to get the effect you want.

of course i say that and of the two i only own the mflb. but to me the pd or any log vape would be better suited. but the mflb is a great little vape.
 
gettin lifted,

Anthony

Anthony
-Both vapes are known for their efficiency, which do you guys think is more efficient, PD or MFLB PA?

-They are both efficient, but the PD would be more efficient even if by a small margin (MF pack is like 0.1-0.2G and the PD pack is like 0.05-0.1 pack)

-Which vape gives you a better effect, or high?

-Both very comparable, but the MFLB has the ability to go up to temperatures to combust if you would like.

-Do you prefer the fixed temp of the PD, or the variable of the MFLB PA?

-Well this is good and bad, the PD takes 45 minutes to heat up for a session, and then you can hit it until the vape is dead, but the MFLB with PA you can be vaping with-in seconds and you can vape all the way up to combustion as stated above.

**Also, keep in mind with batteries the MFLB is a portable and can easily be used on the go and the PD not so much.

-Anthony
 
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DeepFried

A Legend in my Own Mind
I guess it depends on your own definition of efficiency. To me I don't care about load size as much as how much of an effect can I get from X amount of herb. Based on that definition I think it is no contest. The pamflb blows the PD away.

I know lwien will be posting soon in his usual defense of any body having any opinion about the PD that is not a glowing review.

IMO the higher temps the pamflb can reach make for a much better and complete effect basically causing it to get a lot more out of X amount of herb. In the magic-flight thread, the manufacture posted explaining the dynamics of why the mflb works much better at providing a complete spectrum of actives that the PD simply cannot match.
 
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Nosferatu

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DeepFried said:
I guess it depends on your own definition of efficiency. To me I don't care about load size as much as how much of an effect can I get from X amount of herb. Based on that definition I think it is no contest. The pamflb blows the PD away.

I know lwien will be posting soon in his usual defense of any body having any opinion about the PD that is not a glowing review.

IMO the higher temps the pamflb can reach make for a much better and complete effect basically causing it to get a lot more out of X amount of herb. In the magic-flight thread, the manufacture posted explaining the dynamics of why the mflb works much better at providing a complete spectrum of actives that the PD simply cannot match.

I so agree with this, the PD's temp just aint high enough to get that full spectrum of chemicals unique to cannabis. I can feel it in the high, the PD's high is so noticeably incomplete to me, I cant stand the feeling anymore. I will pass up a log vape high anyday, but so many love them so I dont understand.
 
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hereatlast

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Again it seems the problematic issue of defining efficiency is at play here. DeepFried, I appreciate your making note of the importance of self-defined efficiency. Simply, (and I think this is a point of agreement), it seems unfair to compare directly two widely varying types of vapes with regards to the efficiency they provide.

It seems the above two posters, DeepFried and Nosferatu, are explicitly asserting a preference for high-temperature vapor (or, perhaps in better language, the preference to have the ability to reach those higher-temps). I think this is actually quite ironic considering the PD (in pretty much whatever wood) is surely a medium-high temperature vaporizer.


I think its problematic to assert that the PAMFLB's ability to reach a higher temperature makes it better or more complete (again, DeepFried, thanks for qualifying that claim with the "IMO") on any basis other than personal preference. A weird but non-unjustified parallel IMO might be: "does a Ferrari's higher top-speed make it a better transportation vehicle than a pick-up truck?" I hope the point is clear, namely, how can we qualitatively compare fundamentally distinct delivery methodologies?


So, IMO, unless we strictly and explicitly operationalize the term efficiency (which would surely have to result in something like: efficiency term one, efficiency term two, etc.), it seems completely unfounded to ask which is more efficient. For the same reason I don't think anybody can say one provides a better high or effect, distinct must surely be the answer. Finally, I think the OP's final question is one worthy of discussion, i.e. do you prefer a variable or fixed temp vape?


Personally (and FWIW), I love my PD. For me, it doesn't offer an incomplete high or effect, it does what it does and does it well. The PD and the (PA)MFLB aren't doing the same thing just because they both aim to deliver cannabinoids and other present and relevant chemicals, just as a Ferrari and a pick-up truck don't do the same thing despite providing transportation capabilities (hey my bicycle gets me where I'm going to!).

In short (and this is directly in response to Nosferatu's incomprehension of the preference PD-users have for their/our vapes), the PD brings me where I want to be. I don't want or need to go any higher in terms of temperature (often I don't even want to go as a high a temperature that the PD provides), thats MY preference. Not trying to offend or stir the pot, just asserting my :2c:. :peace:
 
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Earths Essence

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-My apologies, after I posted this thread, I realized I should have posted it in Ask FC.
DeepFried said:
I guess it depends on your own definition of efficiency. To me I don't care about load size as much as how much of an effect can I get from X amount of herb. Based on that definition I think it is no contest. The pamflb blows the PD away.

I know lwien will be posting soon in his usual defense of any body having any opinion about the PD that is not a glowing review.

IMO the higher temps the pamflb can reach make for a much better and complete effect basically causing it to get a lot more out of X amount of herb. In the magic-flight thread, the manufacture posted explaining the dynamics of why the mflb works much better at providing a complete spectrum of actives that the PD simply cannot match.

I do feel that the PD will give the user an AMAZING high, with the right tolerance. Lwien, for example, vapes very lightly, AND exercises regularly. For him, nothing could be better than the PD, so I do understand.


I feel that the PA provides the "smoke-like" effect, while STILL giving a clear, signature vape high.

In my opinion (I am in no way saying this as a generalization), i feel that vaping to dark, dark brown is some sort of taboo within the vaping community. The CBD's are what are the medicine, and they require some higher temps, obviously. With that said, I like to vape my bud regularly, then take it up just a tad more to get a fuller spectrum of effects...
 
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lwien

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DeepFried said:
I know lwien will be posting soon in his usual defense of any body having any opinion about the PD that is not a glowing review.

I've said this soooo many times before, but I guess it's worth repeating. The PD is NOT for everyone. Not everyone is going to like it for a multitude of reasons. The only thing that I have ever done is post up my personal experiences. As an example, if someone ever posted up that they want a bigger, richer hit than the PD can typically provide, you would never hear me come to the PD's defense. If someone came in and said that they didn't like the PD in party situations, you would never hear me come to the PD's defense. If someone said that they like to go through the various temp ranges in their vape sessions, you would never hear me coming to the PD's defense.

I'll repeat it again. The PD is not for everyone, so I have no idea what in the hell you are talking about, DF. Just because I find the PD perfect for me doesn't mean that I will come to it's defense anytime someone says that they don't like it. I may offer a different perspective or maybe some tips on how to get the best use out of it, but that's a far cry from being a typical "fanboy", which you have implied I am.

Nosferatu said:
I so agree with this, the PD's temp just aint high enough to get that full spectrum of chemicals unique to cannabis. I can feel it in the high, the PD's high is so noticeably incomplete to me, I cant stand the feeling anymore. I will pass up a log vape high anyday, but so many love them so I dont understand.

I guess it depends on which PD you're talking about and the specific kind of wood it's made from being that they each provide a different temp. I've had the Cherry for over 2 years now and my ABV comes out a VERY dark brown.........about the color of dark chocolate, so for me, I wouldn't want the temp any higher than that 'cause if I did, it would end up coming out black. Now granted, I'm not getting the full compliment of CBD/CBN's by not going higher, but again, for me, the bad taste as well as the additional toxins causes me not to want to go any higher, but every once in awhile, I crave the FULL compliment that cannabis can provide, and in those instances, I'll combust....... but that only happens once or twice a month.

But yeah, if you have a PD/MZ that is operating in the lower temp ranges and you desire those things that are only available at the higher temp ranges, than there are other alternatives that would be better suited for you than to just put up with a mid-temp PD/MZ.

One other thing that's worth mentioning. If my tolerance was really high, and I only had access to mids, I would go with something else other than a PD/MZ. Why? Because I would then have to go through 3 or 4 stems to get where I want to be, and that would just be too much of a hassle. But for me, one stem does me just fine because of my low tolerance and access to very high quality bud.
 
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Earths Essence

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hereatlast said:
So, IMO, unless we strictly and explicitly operationalize the term efficiency (which would surely have to result in something like: efficiency term one, efficiency term two, etc.), it seems completely unfounded to ask which is more efficient. For the same reason I don't think anybody can say one provides a better high or effect, distinct must surely be the answer. Finally, I think the OP's final question is one worthy of discussion, i.e. do you prefer a variable or fixed temp vape?

I'll make sure I ask correctly next time.

What we mean my "incomplete" high, is that the ratio of THC/CBD is WAY off.
This is one of the arguments AGAINST MMJ. People are saying Cannabis is changing. Why? Because it isn't grown the same way as it used to. Dealers are aiming for higher THC ratios, because it is obviously more visually appealing. But, as we all know, we NEED those CBD's to balance out some of the anxious, cloudy effect of THC. CBD's balance it out. The PD, IMO, seems to be just a few degress (maybe 10) off, missing some essential CBD's to complement the whole Cannabis plant. I think we all, as vaporists, need to keep this in mind, with any vape. We need to all get a proper ratio. What is proper? Well, let's not get in to that topic, as we are with the topic of efficiency.
 
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lwien

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Earths Essence said:
What we mean my "incomplete" high, is that the ratio of THC/CBD is WAY off.
This is one of the arguments AGAINST MMJ. People are saying Cannabis is changing. Why? Because it isn't grown the same way as it used to. Dealers are aiming for higher THC ratios, because it is obviously more visually appealing. But, as we all know, we NEED those CBD's to balance out some of the anxious, cloudy effect of THC. CBD's balance it out. The PD, IMO, seems to be just a few degress (maybe 10) off, missing some essential CBD's to complement the whole Cannabis plant. I think we all, as vaporists, need to keep this in mind, with any vape. We need to all get a proper ratio. What is proper? Well, let's not get in to that topic, as we are with the topic of efficiency.

True, but the other thing that complicates this, is that we all react a bit differently to these ratios due to our body chemistry. While one person may really like a high THC to CBD/CBN ratio, another may like a lower ratio.
 
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djonkoman

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I disagree that EVERYONE NEEDS those higher temp cannabinoids
I for one dislike indica's, since of I get the couchlock stone I'm usually too stoned/sleepy to notice that I'm stoned, so I can't enjoy it, I'm just making myself tired/sleepy(wich I don't like being)
sativa's on the other hand, especially vaoed, give me an active energizing high wich makes my thoughts race and makes me come up with good ideas and insights, and I love and enjoy thinking, wich I do even more high then sober
this is also the reason I got interested in vaping in the first place, with combustion I could enjoy it with sativa but only for a few hours(first the tired comedown/afterspace can be delayed by smoking more, but there's a point where it's just unavoidable resulting in me falling asleep halfway trough movies, leaving all electronics on, and it's a wonder my laptop didn't fall a single time even while I fell asleep with it next to my head on the pillow)
with vaping I can enjoy being high the entire evening, or the entire day, because the comedown is much weaker, or even absent with a good sativa

so it's a purely personal thing, I can understand that some people can't handle sativa's, and this is also common knowledge with the anxiety and paranoia, but I almost never see the other way around, wich aplies to me, sativa's are very easy to handle for me, I never get anxiety and the rare ocassion I get paranoia it's gone within seconds(I just surpress it with logic)
I can enjoy indica's in company tough, same aplies to edibles, but still I prefer sativa also in company
 
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Earths Essence

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lwien said:
True, but the other thing that complicates this, is that we all react a bit differently to these ratios due to our body chemistry. While one person may really like a high THC to CBD/CBN ratio, another may like a lower ratio.

This is true, also. Can't get much more scientific than that! It truly is personal choice.

I only started this thread to compare the two. Not directing this at anyone person, but it seems that here at FC, I always have to worry about my word choice, because it never fails for someone to rip my words apart.


We all are falling off topic, so I will create another thread to discuss the matters of Lower Temps vs Higher Temps.
 
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hereatlast

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Earths Essence, I don't mean to "rip [your or anyone else's] words apart" just the for sake of it, I am however inclined to reject, point out and/or disagree with what I perceive to be misinformation, even if its in the form of generalizations. The reason I'm inclined to do so (and I would guess others here as well) is that it seems people read a post and consistently take it as fact. I'm very very wary of (apparently) scientific claims that are clearly unfounded, e.g. when people begin explicit conversations about what cannabinoids they're vaping. Personally, I like to think that this tendency is one of employing a healthy skepticism, I refuse to take what people post as fact and realize that many others do not, thus, confusion and misinformation can easily take hold.


Continuing (and again this is not nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, I think its a healthy exercise to keep fact assertion in check), I'd like to forcefully disagree with your statement that
The CBD's are what are the medicine, and they require some higher temps, obviously.
What makes you think the CBD is the medicine and not other cannabinoids or terpenes etc.? Personally, I think pinpointing any specific cannabinoid as medicinal is unfair and an oversimplification. I agree, a ratio is probably necessary and/or helpful, I know for sure I wouldn't want to be vaping just THC or CBD or CBN etc.


Further (and thank you too for prefacing this with your "IMO), on what basis are you coming to the conclusion that
The PD, IMO, seems to be just a few degress (maybe 10) off, missing some essential CBD's
. In short, I'm wary of explicitly applying the boiling temperature of specific cannabinoids onto our real world, pragmatic vaping sessions. Sure, THC purportedly boils at 157C, our vaporizers (the vast majority of the users here I would assume) are not subjecting the herb to the same rigorously defined circumstances that the lab scientists are basing these claims on (e.g. pressure, properly measured and defined temperature, dryness/moistness, etc.).


I'm sorry to push this thread further off-topic but at times I can't help but (what I hope is constructively) criticize or raise into contention widely proliferated fact. :2c: :peace:


EDIT: Tom, that thread provides exactly the kind of oversimplified and out-of-context information that I find problematic. I think that/those charts provide great and interesting information, I think its unfounded to place too much credence in those numbers considering our real-world application. :2c:
 
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Nosferatu

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A thing to remember is a PD the day you get it is nothing like a PD thats been on for nearly two years. lwiens PD gets his bud dark brown, if you say VERY dark brown, it must get it even darker than my variable temp LSV does(I end at dark golden brown.) But my new PD only got my bud brownish green/a little under golden brown. So I still think log vapes a sent out designed to run at a temp that is too low to get all the unique chemicals in the plant. After a year or two, they are perfect, prolly went up over 10 degrees. So the vapor Lwiens PD creates is not equal to the vapor a new PD will create, so when you recommend it, keep that in mind. Maybe thats a good thing to others though. I dont want to come off like I hate the PD, but after about a year of using it solely, then moving on to variable temp vapes. I was thinking "Oh god, what have I been missing"
 
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Purple-Days

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^^^ Nosferatu says, "A thing to remember is a PD the day you get it is nothing like a PD thats been on for nearly two years. "

Assumptions and suppositions posted as absolute fact. I have been using this type unit since 2003 and refute your assumption that they continually get hotter. That is not a fact. You may not have liked the PD and are entitled to your opinion. And may have wanted something different and in your eyes better, but posting your opinions as fact is just what Hereatlast was talking about.

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Hereatlast says, "Tom, that thread provides exactly the kind of oversimplified and out-of-context information that I find problematic."

I agree completely, but my point was, there is a thread only 8 lines below where this thread was (originally) posted and it seemed pointless to start another new thread when the subject was already a topic.

"I think its unfounded to place too much credence in those numbers considering our real-world application." Yep ! :2c:
 
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lwien

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Yup. But then, I had the exact opposite experience. While I agree that the PD temp goes up after a period of time, after awhile, mine was operating consistently in the upper vape ranges and I wanted to go lower, so I got an Ash PD that is over a year old but that one, because of the type of wood, consistently provides ABV that is a golden brown color. The type of wood plays a big part here and from my experience, is about as big of a part as how long ones PD has been up and operating (maybe even bigger).

Edit: Tom, we were posting at the same time and I didn't see your post before I posted up mine but I gotta say that from my experience, the PD does increase in temp over time, but I do agree that they do not "continually" get hotter, for mine definitely leveled out once it reached a certain temp.
 
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hereatlast

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I agree completely, but my point was, there is a thread only 8 lines below where this thread was (originally) posted and it seemed pointless to start another new thread when the subject was already a topic.

Fair enough, we're on the same page :tup: (not saying this is the right page :lol:)
 
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Gunky

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I have both vapes and like both. If I had to have only one either would do. Obviously they have different strengths because of the design, size, and portability.

The PD is really miserly with supplies, which is a type of 'efficiency'.

A big difference between the two involves how forcefully you have to suck in order to draw vapor. The PD and other log vapes have fairly restricted air flow, while the air flow in the LB is quite free. So if you are planning on going through quite a bit of herb in one sitting, the LB is easier and faster in my opinion. If you try to go fast with a PD (or other log vape) you have to do quite a bit of sucking on the tube and afterwards my cheek and jaw feel a bit fatigued. So this is another kind of 'efficiency'.

From a health point of view, the PD and other logs may be slightly preferable. You cannot combust using the the supplied power adapter. Once I got used to the PD draw style it has provided good hits but rarely causes coughing, for me. The MFLBPA, on the other hand, offers variable temps and can vaporize higher temp cannabinoids, but it does cause me to cough a bit.

The PD is built like a tank, will last a long time if properly handled, and is super reliable, with the sole exception of the power adapter 12 volt wire, which can be fixed cheaply or replaced. The LB, on the other hand, is relatively delicate and can be damaged fairly easily. I would surmise that the marketing strategy for the LB involves producing them at a small fraction of the selling price, but then replacing each box a few times under warrantee. This works out well and the company is amazingly responsive to requests for service and very relaxed about the conditions for getting a new one under warrantee. That said, I think I would want a backup of some sort if the LB were my main vape.
 
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max

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Now let's compare the iolite to the SSV, and then the Volcano to the Herborizer. There are lots more apples and oranges comparisons out there as well.

Mostly what's been discussed here are aspects of a fixed temp vape and aspects of a variable temp vape. You could substitute the topic of 'what's your favorite vape and why?' or 'do you like high temp vapor or low-medium?'

If you understand the differences in effect that different temp settings offer, then you'd decide what vape models to choose from, and go from there. And the MF power adapter isn't even a vape. It's a power source for a vape. FC isn't going to split the LB into two different vapes-battery and AC versions.

Smoking/combusting, for the most part, is like a power switch, either on or off. The nice thing about vaporizers is that you get to choose the effect you want. Those who say that limiting the temp makes for an incomplete effect are no different than smokers who say that the high from vapor is incomplete. A lot of people get past that feeling that 'something is missing with vapor', and never go back to smoking. Others vape and smoke, and are happy doing both. Some don't take to vapor and want nothing but smoke and the effects that combustion brings. Some vaporists are happy with a fixed temp vape only, hopefully because they've tried different temps and have chosen low to mid temps because that's the efffect they like. Others want the full temp range and will go high temp to finish off every bowl. Some want a limit on the temp sometimes, and a high temp other times. It's all about personal preference and there is no 'proper effect' any more than there's a best vaporizer.


Earths Essence said:
We all are falling off topic, so I will create another thread to discuss the matters of Lower Temps vs Higher Temps.
As was stated, that topic already exists, and this topic is either apples and oranges or duplicates that other topic.
 
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